Until you meet some viper that's all decked out and kills you without even taking anything and you lose a million credits because you didn't click solo.
Yep, I went solo for trading rare goods
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Until you meet some viper that's all decked out and kills you without even taking anything and you lose a million credits because you didn't click solo.
Sounds a lot like exploring...
"i want to play the game how i want.....and the ability to switch back how you want to play it... when i made all the money i want running no shield full of rares". Cheating? nah, just abusing
Yeah, pirates ITT pretend all they'll ever do is kindly ask for a few tons of cargo so you're not in the loss for this trip and they make a nice profit, but in reality there's plenty of PKs who just do it for the lulz of causing someone else millions of loss.
Vipers are strong and all but they can't mass lock a type 6....
It is viable. I make money doing piracy. Since I started keeping track I'm up about 900k. For the record, I have a few kills, but I've never killed anybody who has dropped the amount I ask for (never the whole cargo, rarely half the cargo, hardly any for a Type-6), and I usually don't kill people if I'm able to pop their hatch open, and this often spills more than I ask for and I concentrate on scooping before the police turn up. There's been a few accidents where people have randomly blown up, I'm guessing through self destruct, some people who just wouldn't drop anything when on 1% hull, and some who fought back and I had to kill.
Of course, it's a far more profitable use of time to trade or to NPC bounty hunt, but that doesn't make piracy not viable.
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..or that means you need to RTFM just to find a fight. After 30 years playing Elite.
Do i need to RTFM to trade? No. To buy or upgrade ships? Nope. To dogfight? Of course not. But to actually FIND other ships, i need to trawl thru manuals and tutorials? Or be told by 50 other posters that my PC isn't powerful enough? Maybe if i spend two grand on a new rig i'll start to see some combat?
Soz to butt in.. peeved mods closed my thread without giving me a chance to answer half the trolling replies..
In which case its just as well i'm not trying to tell you how to play. Otherwise - truly awesome comeback.
Give a real reason to play Open Play in a trader. Your one line of post is a massive strawman troll anyways, it has nothing to do with what I wrote and I'm not switching back and forth anyways
To bad people play like this. It sucks to lose all your rares, but that is part of the game. I was pirated by a Cmdr and my ship and entire load yesterday, but damn it was exciting. I never once thought about going to solo.
The only one you are robbing is yourself of the online experience. You will never know the joy of success after the pain of defeat. The millions you make solo are empty and soulless.
The only one you are robbing is yourself of the online experience. You will never know the joy of success after the pain of defeat. The millions you make solo are empty and soulless.
Perhaps some people just enjoy "success" and "defeat" as it is in the PvE world, and aren't interested in the PvP aspect.
It does seem weird that you can cross over back and forth though. That's actually a new experience for me, and I'm not sure it is all that good, probably better to get people to commit to one or the other. But I suppose since some people really want solo, and if it's hard for the devs to make a pure solo experience without it being in some way connected to the rest of the world (e.g. via the moving economy), then I guess people just have to live with it.
And nothing about this is altering the PvP player's experience - precisely because the stuff comes into and goes out of the economy in both Open and Solo, and it's the same economy. Therefore, actually, it isn't cheating.
FT should've just made it multiplayer in the first place and have done with it. A persistent universe isn't persistent if half the player base can opt out whenever they feel like it. Rare goods should only be tradeable or exist in open play.
Traders who've been bragging about making millions on their "special trade routes" are only doing so because they've been collecting rare goods around that cash cow called Lave from day one. Running A to B in easy mode 100 LY apart. No need to find two way routes in an adapting economy. Just work down a list of rares you found on the Internet and rotate. Taking the path of least resistance.
Without the risk of piracy from other commanders there's no jeopardy and so the long jumps and vast gains are empty and meaningless. NPC pirates are a joke. I just submit to interdictions now in my upgraded Cobra because of mostly unshielded pirates. Topping up my creds to what I make in explore data.
Traders who've been bragging about making millions on their "special trade routes" are only doing so because they've been collecting rare goods around that cash cow called Lave from day one. Running A to B in easy mode 100 LY apart. No need to find two way routes in an adapting economy. Just work down a list of rares you found on the Internet and rotate. Taking the path of least resistance.
Without the risk of piracy from other commanders there's no jeopardy and so the long jumps and vast gains are empty and meaningless. NPC pirates are a joke. I just submit to interdictions now in my upgraded Cobra because of mostly unshielded pirates. Topping up my creds to what I make in explore data.
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Exactly.
You do understand that rare goods only go so far right? The amount of time collecting becomes to long and normal trading does make more profit. Rares work for people in small ships at the start. I'm in my Python now after playing since before gama(I was there for 2 wipes I believe) and making credits for up keep is hard. Even normal trading isn't really cutting it. The fuel cost for larger ships is ridiculous. The only way I can see maintaining profit with the Python is bounty hunting allot or trading with no shields and a fuel scoop. But without shields any damage is a ton of money. 1% damage is 100k I believe? I really hope I can find a way to keep the ship going. It has been my goal to get the Python and now that I'm finally here I might just sell it.
I can read tooltips and descriptions so yes. Simply because I didn't drop £100 in alpha my starting position was no where near Lave so I wasn't aware of it. It's been pointed out to me on TS that 100LY range is optimum for rares allegedly. Probably has more to do with finding another set of rares you can sell back at the original station. The rare part of the equation refers only the quantity you can buy at a station in a given time frame. Nothing to do with whether you've found it out in the universe that would make it truly rare. A response to a lot of players in Beta just constantly refreshing the commodities menu, stacking rares and never really leaving the station until they had a full load. It's clearly been shoehorned in and ruins the supply/demand commodities idea.
Where there's an abundance of Sidewinders,, there is always the likelyhood of a good ole Southern Rattlesnake Roundup!
I will be bringing my snake hook and my snake bags.
I will be bringing my snake hook and my snake bags.
You can only buy a few at a time now with a max limit that is predefined. People did spam the rares before, I have never had the chance to be one of the many that got tons of cash from it. I made 1mil from rares.
I find it interesting how so many people want the old school experience of Elite. Yet, they balk at the possibility of loosing it all. I've played the original games for many years. While it was somewhat easy mode once you acquired one of the over powered ships. It was always a challenge getting there. Part of that challenge was you had 1 life only. No insurance. No possibility of keeping your rank past ship destruction. No hand holding. But, now we have a new Elite that makes the character persistent and so many people are worried about progress over simply enjoying the experience. How many commanders have you lost over the last 30 years? I've lost so many I've lost track. But, I sucked it up and started a new commander. What ever happened to enjoying the challenge?
I get it. The grinding can be boring. But let's be honest. It wasn't any less boring in the old Elites. It has always been a grind and a long one at that. This game is only a month old and people are scared of losing something so trivial to the overall experience as credits and ships. This is why I only play in OPEN. I have no fear. I like the feeling of adrenalin and a racing heart brought on by the experience. Maybe it's not for everyone. But, it perplexes me. Why are so many CMDRs worried about losing meaningless pixels. This game isn't about that and never has been. Who cares how those pixels were lost. The fun is in the journey.
I get it. The grinding can be boring. But let's be honest. It wasn't any less boring in the old Elites. It has always been a grind and a long one at that. This game is only a month old and people are scared of losing something so trivial to the overall experience as credits and ships. This is why I only play in OPEN. I have no fear. I like the feeling of adrenalin and a racing heart brought on by the experience. Maybe it's not for everyone. But, it perplexes me. Why are so many CMDRs worried about losing meaningless pixels. This game isn't about that and never has been. Who cares how those pixels were lost. The fun is in the journey.
You're exactly right. The fun is the journey. And my journey is more fun without this amazing Pirate Coalition of Niceness you see on the forums. Everybody has an anecdote, everybody has an example of why "you should" or why "you could" play this way or that way.
Let me put it this way: If Elite was a single player game, I'd still buy it. If it was an always online and always in open play like EVE or something? I would have skipped it. I'm surprised so many people care about how everybody plays. I also find it hilarious that the Pirate loses absolutely nothing in comparison to a trade ship. Pirate has weapons, agility, and speed, trader has his comms and FSD because most traders strip the weapons in general.
If pirates wanted a challenge, they wouldn't be begging for people in their T6's with no weapons to play in the super awesome macho-man "Open" play. They just want easy pickings. That's pretty weak IMO and makes it seem like a pathetic attempt at sounding tough. I played in Open up until about a week ago since September, I mainly did it because I enjoy the grind, I enjoy just looking at the stars, docking, etc ... I don't give a crap about PVP right now. I may later, but not right now. This game basically has a single player option while connected to the main servers. It's still a great game. It's like people in WoW complaining about somebody not doing Arena ...
A viper can EASILY take out a T6 kitted for trading, an Eagle can take one out. I just don't get why all these pirates aren't asking for more suitable prey, instead of the spreadsheet warriors who happen to enjoy the trading game.
I don't want the old school experience of Elite, I'm fine with what is presented. I enjoy the game I'm playing. I go back and forth between open and solo depending on my mood or how much 'attention' I'm giving the game. Would you rather all the players in Solo just not play? There are probably quite a few that would just quit if they got to the point that all of their assets were lost. I might be one of them. Yes, the journey is the fun. I don't know why you need to be there for me to enjoy it, nor do I understand why The Friendly Pirate Coalition of Niceness needs CMDR Flyinpiranha in their game so badly.
