General / Off-Topic Gorbatchev : Ukraine crsis could trigger Nuclear war.
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We live in a great time. It is really a pleasure to live on this planet, since a few years ... And I speak not only of the war. We are governed by leaders, political and economic of very high level.... Fortunately we have ED to escape in the galaxy
And Gorbatchev ?
Its really down to the context in what it was said, in my years I have learned to read between the lines. Tabloids want to sell papers and reporting about little Timmy's school bake sale doesn't cut it, saying a ex Russian president said there could be nuclear war or another cold war affects everyone so sells papers.
Everyone knows how the papers could take anything said to them and twist it to make it a story that shocks the world.
Everyone knows how the papers could take anything said to them and twist it to make it a story that shocks the world.
This is the crux of the matter.
The mistake was made by the EU, presuming it could begin negotiations with Ukraine while Russia remained hostile.
Russia is a big player and it is a mistake to underestimate any of the big players.
Europe and N America have deluded themselves that America some how, 'won' the cold war and that America is the only superpower, therefore the ultimate boss.
Nuclear war is highly unlikely, simply because it is pointless. But this may perhaps signal a new cold war.
I never thought I would say this, but I'm willing to pay more for gas. If low prices are causing gas companies to fail, and some say our ultimate financial doom, then why do we pay prices that don't sustain us? Is there any other product in America that does not make enough profit to stay in business? Oh that's right, this is all by design, just like our fake debt...all designed to crash the dollar. I can only dream that logic and justice ruled.
While i'm at it...it's all about this:
[video=youtube;XE3XZM017cQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE3XZM017cQ[/video]
Satan worshiping government will usher it all in.
While i'm at it...it's all about this:
[video=youtube;XE3XZM017cQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE3XZM017cQ[/video]
Satan worshiping government will usher it all in.
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The reasons for the recent fluctuations in oil prices and a number of other recent events is I'm afraid, a little more down to Earth. (Or should that be up to Earth?)
The Dollar has dominated world trade for most of the 20th century, largely because of oil. The oil industry of the late 19th, early 20th century, was dominated by the US and gave it the kick start that pushed it to global dominance.
The strength of the Dollar was further cemented by its early sponsorship of Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia tried to win support from several W European countries for its own oil industry in the late 1920s early 1930s. W Europe was still smarting over the loss of its own dominance to the upstart America and turned its noses up at Saudi Arabia.
So it went to the US. Hence it became the preferred method of paying for most imports.
The situation is now changing with the advent of the Euro. The Euro could, theoretically have taken over as the world trade currency and should have done so by now, but for the astonishing incompetence of the French and German financial management. Almost as soon at the Euro was launched, the French decided, rules didn't apply to them and they borrowed way over their limit. That was followed by Spain, Ireland Italy and most notably Greece.
The weakness of the Euro was the stuffy arrogance of the British who refused to be part of it. For all their pretentious hubris, Germany is a lousy financial centre.
But the position of the Dollar has been shown to have its weaknesses.
Enter China, India, Russia especially. Each with enormous economies waiting like giant coiled springs to take off. Russia has huge reserves of oil and numerous other minerals, it only needs the managerial know how to exploit them. Which sadly, it has never had!
America is now attempting to resurrect its own position with the innovation of Fracking. If successful, America will once again be self sufficient in everything and its position as a world Economic power be assured.
If I were a betting man, my money would be on America. The only possible stumbling block is if America elects another idiot like Reagan or Bush.
Do not tickle the grizzly. The westerners are arrogant and crazy
For all their faults, they are, by a large margin, more successful and better organised than any of the other cultures that have made a play for dominance over the millennia.
They are all the same crazy, and often arrogants
I think you underestimate the risks here. The US are about to arm Ukraine now :
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...n-army-as-fighting-continues-in-the-east.html
And at Donesk, they decree a general mobilization for 100,000 men (surely a large part will come from Russia ...)
I don't think Gorbatchev really thinks either the US or Russia will launch a nuclear attack over Ukraine... The problem is, it could all start by accident. Russian armed forces now fly really close from NATO bases almost daily. Politicians on both side don'T trust each other and the communication is really poor right now. Hell we almost had nuclear war in 1994 over a science rocket launch over Norway, Yelstin had unlocked the red button. Only thing left was to push it... Pray it doesn't happen today.
Mind you, just think of the previous Cold War (I'm saying previous since what is happening now, I'm easily considering a new cold war) and how many times we were on a brink of destruction because of simple accidental misread or misunderstanding, bad communication etc... scary!
This kind of proves my point really. If it were that easy to start a nuclear war over a regional conflict, it would have happened many times between the 50's and the 90's.
It would require total economic collapse and the rise of an ultra-nationalist regime in Russia for things to get really dangerous.