Is The Python Worth It?
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Even if they nerf it on that point, it still stays a very good ship. There is no better ship in that region to spend your money for. Especially the trading capability as well as its heavy weapon load and the ability to land on outposts make it very versatile, the maneuverability is a bonus and not the most important feature of this ship.
And if the reduced maneuverability would hit that hard for you, than you can simply sell it again, the loss should be no problem (around 5 million) if you can afford such a ship. For me there is no better ship worth my money atm. I personally won't buy an Anaconda, flew one in Beta and hated the ship layout because of that long nose.
But maybe if FD releases new ships soon and nerf the Python, then there could be a good alternative for it. At the moment I never had a better ship.
That indeed would be a much heavier hit than a reduced maneuverability would be in my opinion. And it would make sense I have to admit.
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just pulled a 4 hour session, and am up to 47 million credits now, up from 34 million. It won't be long now, precious....
My... PRECIOUS......!
Damn it Mephane. Your sig is influencing my train of thought.
My... PRECIOUS......!
Damn it Mephane. Your sig is influencing my train of thought.
I think the issue is its too good at everything, so rather nerfing the none trade element of it I feel like they should nerf the trade element really... The way I play I really wouldn't mind this but I know plenty of people would have major beef with this of course but at least the traders have 2 other high end ships to move to, everyone else doesn't! (currently)
I'll even given an in game reason, I can't understand how you can create a large floating cuboid, with terrible hull and manoeuvrability (type 7) and manage to have less cargo room in it than something medium with multiple weapons and large subsystems. Unless the pythons expense is a cargo bay of holding from d&d it doesn't stack lol.
On the topic of the scoop, python fuel is 13k/10%~ if you have a jump route involving multiple long range jumps you may or may not save money with a scoop it only takes 94s to do 100% of a tank with an A4 or 19s for 20%. Essentially the more long jumps between your two trade points the better a scoop will be as it scales with fuel use, and the faster your route the worse it is, as it has a time usage.
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You could save even more weight by downgrading to an A3 power plant.
Agreed. Ditch that fuel scoop as well; unless you're running a really long route, it's just not cost effective to stop and scoop fuel especially if you're sacrificing 16 tons for a class 4 scoop.
You could save even more weight by downgrading to an A3 power plant.
Yep and the power distributer could come down a fair way as well, but seemed to be much smaller benefits after a while (I admit to running with some beams on my 'trading' python as well, so need the power!)
Totally disagree with the fuel scoop comment. Some ships just cost way more per tonne, and the Python is one of them. I can easily rack up 20K of fuel costs with a single 15ly jump and the fuel scoop picks it back up for me in no more than 20 seconds. CR/hr the fuel scoop is very cost effective.
If thats the case I would question why at release their choice was to have the initial start ships up to cobra, then asp for exploration and 7 freighters? like progression isn't everything but really? They couldn't find it in themselves to have one high end combat ship or even a mid?... sorry not a personal attack Just can't understand their thinking.
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How long does your route take?
Lets consider a route that takes 9 minutes to run, round trip, and nets 2500cr/ton while costing 40k in fuel:
with no scoop - 9 minute runs:
284T * 2500 = 710,000 - 40,000 (fuel) = 670,000 cr /run * 6.67 runs/hr = 4.466 million credits/hour
with class 4 scoop, and 20 seconds of refuel time (which, I can't refuel a 15 LY jump in 20 seconds, but maybe you're better than I am at it), so 9:20 runs:
268T * 2500 = 670,000 cr / run * 6.43 runs / hr = 4.307 million / hour.
Admittedly, it's pretty close, but as you can see, you have to really be jumping a long way, and be able to fill up quickly for the scoop to be a win.
Too quickly for whom? The grinder, the jobless, the hardcore 24/7 gamer?
And my rate of play, it takes me about 2 years if not more to afford an Anaconda. And it's okay i guess since i'm not that eager to get one. And taking non-stop players into account it is a reasonable price. But don't say it needs to be increased. It needs to be okay for everyone (if something like that is possible), but not be a complete game stopper for casual players.
There is a large fighter upcoming as far as I know.
Right now my route is closer to 12 minutes and netting 2600cr/ton, but with two jumps between stations. So my fuel costs are actually coming in at around 60-70K for the round-trip.
I generally scoop whilst aligning myself for the next hop so suspect that's where the difference is coming in, in that it's both pretty time-efficient and works out better for my credits than buying fuel.
I'm aiming for a Python, I was just interdicted by one whilst fuel scooping looks impressive but I still managed to kill it with my Cobra.
I fly a python with no shields. It's so easy to fly it's no problem.
Overall, No, it's not worth it, there is no place for a ship that cost 100 millions right now, it will always be a problem to keep up with credits, and you'll find yourself forced to trade, which is a real shame for a fighting ship isn't it ? each jump will cost you a lot in repairs, so you can't really travel to, avoid big ships for the moment cause nothing is balanced for them.
The most useful/cost efficient ships are Cobra and ASP, for anything really, they are in the top 4 fighters, top 5 traders, top 3 fastest, top 3 explorers, very cheap, the earning money potential is extreme, clearly those are the best ships overall, they have no drawback whatsoever and everyone should use them at almost any situations (except heavy hardcore traders "maybe"), so clearly beside those two monsters nothing is really worth flying mathematically speaking.
Now if we try to forget about them, well even then they are cheaper ships that can deliver everything you need in terms of speed, attack, defense and Jump distance, without the extreme cost of a Python, for example the Imperial Clipper which is a beauty, can hit very hard, can jump fairly good and is fast, you can do everything in it and for a lot less
But those who fly those kind of ships, i mean very expensive ships like pythons and anacondas, all they want is to be the big bad-ass dude, the kind of ship that can't go down just like that you know ? that's why i have some respect for them cause it requires some serious balls to risk so much credits all the time.
PS: the only real advantage i can think of for the Python, is that they only need a medium pad to dock
The most useful/cost efficient ships are Cobra and ASP, for anything really, they are in the top 4 fighters, top 5 traders, top 3 fastest, top 3 explorers, very cheap, the earning money potential is extreme, clearly those are the best ships overall, they have no drawback whatsoever and everyone should use them at almost any situations (except heavy hardcore traders "maybe"), so clearly beside those two monsters nothing is really worth flying mathematically speaking.
Now if we try to forget about them, well even then they are cheaper ships that can deliver everything you need in terms of speed, attack, defense and Jump distance, without the extreme cost of a Python, for example the Imperial Clipper which is a beauty, can hit very hard, can jump fairly good and is fast, you can do everything in it and for a lot less
But those who fly those kind of ships, i mean very expensive ships like pythons and anacondas, all they want is to be the big bad-ass dude, the kind of ship that can't go down just like that you know ? that's why i have some respect for them cause it requires some serious balls to risk so much credits all the time.
PS: the only real advantage i can think of for the Python, is that they only need a medium pad to dock