I forgot to turn on my DK2..

[noodle]

I use my monitor for general computer use, but there is also virtual desktop for the rift. Also, don't know why you'd want to use a keyboard for elite when you can use voiceAttack and issue voice commands directly to the ship's computer. The whole experience is amazing. You seem a bit behind the times in what you are prepared to accept as a gaming experience.

How amazingly patronising and condescending.

Voice Attack isn't something that I want or need. I've used it, and it's certainly an interesting option, but it's not for me. I can map everything I need to my HOTAS. I use my keyboard for typing, which isn't really a strength of Voice Attack. I also use it for activities outside the game, and I don't want to have to remove a DK2 every time I'm checking an external app or website.

It's great that you enjoy the OR, but it's a bit ignorant to say that anyone who doesn't find it suits their needs (or who simply doesn't want that level of immersion) is "behind the times".

 

[Aldric]

No way i would go back to playing ED OR Alien Isolation without the Rift DK2, i have occasionally run the game at 4K on my 144Hz monitor with my track IR 5 but although the resolution looks fantastic it just does not give me the sense of actually being in a spaceship seat like the Rift does, but i will admit that running ED at 4k on a monitor using DSR with 2 970s in SLI looks stunning, even at 1920*1080 the game looks fantastic imo.

 

[jabokai]

My experience aligns with the OP's - playing on a normal monitor (or even a 55" TV, or multi-monitor) is just a far lesser experience. Yes the resolution of the DK2 is not ideal and no you cannot see your keyboard properly (it's easy enough to shove it up a bit for me but of course it's not ideal). But the experience easily surpasses those issues. For me, it's just a completely different game and, in fact, it's the deciding factor for me actually playing ED at all at the moment - without the DK2 I wouldn't even be loading the game.

I should have a lot more IMHOs there, just to be clear!

 

[noodle]

e deciding factor for me actually playing ED at all at the moment - without the DK2 I wouldn't even be loading the game.

I should have a lot more IMHOs there, just to be clear!

... in your opinion

 

[SlackR]

Evangelism. Yawn.

It's great that you love it, but that doesn't mean that everyone else has to. Ditto Linux, Apple, smart cars, digital media, yadda yadda yadda.

Fair play, but did you actually try it?

 

[Vander Mey jr.]

I have to say, without question, I have no idea how anyone plays the game that way.

I absolutely see where it is awesome, but...

* (non-)motion sickness (I'm strictly non-3D in the cinema as well)
* inability to take and check notes (missions, prices, module availability etc.)
* kids coming in and *loving* the visuals
* wife coming in to ask something

Given the above, I'd not use the VR setup half of the time, which would add...

* hardware cost vs. benefit

Sorry, 2D for me. ;-)

 

[jabokai]

I absolutely see where it is awesome, but...

* (non-)motion sickness (I'm strictly non-3D in the cinema as well)
* inability to take and check notes (missions, prices, module availability etc.)
* kids coming in and *loving* the visuals
* wife coming in to ask something

Given the above, I'd not use the VR setup half of the time, which would add...

* hardware cost vs. benefit

Sorry, 2D for me. ;-)

ED is very motion sickness friendly. Of course YMMV if you're particularly susceptible. I much prefer 2D cinema but the Rift is VR and not just a 3D version of the game.

We shouldn't need to take that many notes out of the game! This highlights ED's missing features more than anything.

You can mirror the display onto your monitor (although it's not as pretty as playing it natively on a monitor, admittedly.)

Your ears stop working in VR? Many people combine headphones with VR, I prefer to stick to speakers.

Cost/benefit is all very personal - I just spent £1750 building a new rig just for the Rift and I am by no means that well off.

Anyway, not trying to convince you, just offering a couple of counterpoints. VR will never be for everyone.

 

[Vander Mey jr.]

Actually I like the note-taking, and have been opposing the "more automatizing in-game" fraction here on the forum. While in-game tools might be useful for straight trading, when you're trying to optimize your mission runs, I don't think any in-game tool could actually beat a piece of scrap paper.

As for the "wife factor"... no, my ears work perfectly, but I would feel like a {beeep} for answering without taking the goggles off.

I see where you're coming from. I've spend quite some for my new rig as well, but the rig also runs the other game titles I'm playing (which aren't VR-ready), and the DK2 just won't cut it for me in the price / experience department.

 

[Karnath]

Personally this is something i would love to experience, my concern is i keep reading that it's ideal to maintain a 75 fps for a smooth as possible/enjoyable gaming experience.
So i have no issues in paying roughly the £315 - £330 for the DK2 but I'm only running a 770 GTX which is great for playing on a 2560 x 1080 monitor but would this card be suitable for the DK2 ?

As it becomes a different story if you then need to spend a similar amount for a higher spec graphics card. what type of cards are the people who use the DK2 using ?

 

[Phier]

Its pure excitement and frustration at not being able to convey to people who haven't tried it what it is like.

Thats the problem with 3d and VR. I had these same frustrations with Nvidia 3d and people. Most just don't GET it and how cool it is. Nvidia did a horrible job of promoting their 3d too which didn't help but I'd get responses like "My game is already 3d" or I don't like 3d movies....

Ugh...

Personally this is something i would love to experience, my concern is i keep reading that it's ideal to maintain a 75 fps for a smooth as possible/enjoyable gaming experience.
So i have no issues in paying roughly the £315 - £330 for the DK2 but I'm only running a 770 GTX which is great for playing on a 2560 x 1080 monitor but would this card be suitable for the DK2 ?

As it becomes a different story if you then need to spend a similar amount for a higher spec graphics card. what type of cards are the people who use the DK2 using ?

I have a 770gtx sli system and it plays great, but on one card it gets pretty choppy.

 

[JohnRoberts]

If you've never tried it you should, to see what they're missing.

I'll PM you my address, and then you can send me your DK2 - just a loan, of course, until the CV1 comes out.

 

[Microblitz]

So i fired up ED the other day and forgot to have turned on the DK2 beforehand..

I hate rich players with money to burn on unreleased products...

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.... Who then tell me how awesome it is!.....grrr!

 

[RhymeRhyme]

I didn't try the DK2 yet and at the moment I'm still thinking if to invest the money for gear still being in development state.

BUT ONE THING IS CLEAR - From all the videos and feedback reports that I saw and read, I'm sure it will blow my mind and it will be an awesome experience.

All the people criticising it are IMGO jealous not having a DK2 or just really don't get it. I'm sure it's an awesome expansion of the game and gaming itself!

 

[Rick_Black]

Evangelism. Yawn.

It's great that you love it, but that doesn't mean that everyone else has to. Ditto Linux, Apple, smart cars, digital media, yadda yadda yadda.

Who said everyone has to love it? He just said everyone should try it and really they should when its set up and running right its a completely different experience that most ppl would love because it transports you into the world.
That being said when I say everyone should try it I mean borrow a friends, if you cant do that you should wait for the CV1 to launch. Unless you have lots of cash to throw around it just does not make sense to spend that much on what is a unfinished product right now.

 

[Spork]

You can see out the bottom of the headset. I have no problem taking notes or finding a key/button if I need to. Typing can be a pain if you're communicating over comms though. Touch typing helps a lot there.

 

[Lirezh]

Can't honestly see the appeal of strapping a monitor on my face. Fine with NR. (Normal Reality)

Sucks to hear but I think you are still wrong.
Even if you have no sight, VR is NOT about 3D.

You are right about 3d monitors, 3d cinema .. that's pointless (and not that great btw, you are not missing much out)
However, VR is not about 3D. 3D is an awesome feature for those of us with two eyes but the greatness comes from the "presence" effect.
I think you gave up too early about such thrills, give DK2 a chance and you will see it works for you just as well.

It's about synchronized hey movement with wide field of view. You will have the same great experience as we have if you use VR, just without 3D but you are used to that anyway.

 

[Caduceus]

So i fired up ED the other day and forgot to have turned on the DK2 beforehand.

I decided to see what the game is like playing it on a monitor. I've never played ED on a monitor in 2D, I always played Beta and now Live in a DK1 and DK2 when it was released.

I have to say, without question, I have no idea how anyone plays the game that way. those people that do, and proclaim to love ED would literally die on the spot if they played in a DK2!

If you've never tried it you should, to see what they're missing. The only thing that's different that I never knew was the cockpit shake they get on a monitor when accelerating etc. That'd make you sick quickly in a DK2 so I'm glad they didn't port that across.


It's easy to forget how awesome VR really is.

Yeah I've played both ways. It's similar to Skyrim. Going down into a dungeon in Skyrim on a pc monitor is fun. Going down into a dungeon in Skryim in VR is traumatizing. My thoughts while wearing the Rift and reaching the end of the first dungeon in the game and seeing rays of sunlight were, "Dear God, never again!" Heart attack inducing stuff. They're different experiences definitely.

In ED on my pc monitor flying by the dark side of a planet is interesting and a really good screenshot. In VR flying past the dark side of a planet makes the hairs on my neck and arms stand on end, my palms start to sweat, and I breathe a little more shallow, afraid that I'm going to crash and burn into a giant planet lol. I guess the brain is forced into more emotional response to everything because some part of the brain thinks it's real.

 

[ziphnor]

Just want re-iterate that this is definitely nothing like previous "VR" headsets or 3d cinema. I have never liked 3d movies, i dont have a 3d monitor or TV, and i avoid them at cinemas. I tried the Dk1 *once* at a friend and immediately went out and bought one. Then when the Dk2 came out, i decided to wait. Then i tried the Dk2 at my friends, and again ended up buying it.

I have tried older "VR" headsets that basically have you looking at something like a big TV at a fair distance. This is *nothing* like that. The first time i tried Titans of Space i tried to push the buttons in the cockpit with my hand and banged it against the (real world) table. The smooth headtracking, the huge jump in FOV (its like wearing ski or swimming googles) means that you are *there*. I have shown it to a lot of people, and everybody has been very impressed (and some a bit nauseous

I hadnt upgraded my desktop PC for years, now i have an i7 5820k with a GTX 980, and room for SLI

That being said, it *is* still a development kit. The resolution in Dk2 is just enough to make the game playable, i wouldnt try on the Dk1. And yes, with the high FOV comes the need for plenty of GPU power.

 

[NumptyScrub]

Personally this is something i would love to experience, my concern is i keep reading that it's ideal to maintain a 75 fps for a smooth as possible/enjoyable gaming experience.
So i have no issues in paying roughly the £315 - £330 for the DK2 but I'm only running a 770 GTX which is great for playing on a 2560 x 1080 monitor but would this card be suitable for the DK2 ?

As it becomes a different story if you then need to spend a similar amount for a higher spec graphics card. what type of cards are the people who use the DK2 using ?

I'm running a 4GB GTX760 with a DK2, and with the graphics settings all up it is not a pleasant experience. I've dropped shadows / AA / several other options down or off (not touched the "Oculus quality" slider at all) and it manages 75fps in most situations, and drops to maybe 60 fps in extreme situations. With the same settings @1080p on the monitor (and vsync off, so I can see how fast it can really go) according to Ctrl-F it goes from ~200fps in clear space, to a minimum of ~90fps in those same extreme situations (dense belts or busy Coriolis). I have no idea if those figures are standard, but if you work off a ~30% framerate reduction (@1080p) as a baseline indicator, you should be able to gauge how your 770 might perform with a DK2, and what settings sacrifices (shadows, render distance, texture details, AA etc.) you may have to make to get it smooth.

If you are comfortable dropping settings to get more framerate at the expense of some prettiness (tbh the current DK2 resolution mitigates a lot of that pretty anyway) then a GTX770 should be fine.

You can run a DK2 pretty smoothly on a single GTX980, because a friend does (his was the rig that convinced me to get my own DK2). However since I can get acceptable (for me) framerates out of the GTX760 I'm loathe to spend anything now, at least until we hear more about the CV1, and also I want to let nVidia release a new gen GPU and/or get that SLi VR driver support in before I start planning upgrades (a second 760 will be more cost effective than a replacement 980, for sure).

If you do get a DK2, and decide that the 770 is just not up to the job, then I'd say the 980 (or 970 as a cheaper option) is probably where you should be looking.

 

[Karnath]

I have a 770gtx sli system and it plays great, but on one card it gets pretty choppy.

I'm running a 4GB GTX760 with a DK2, and with the graphics settings all up it is not a pleasant experience. I've dropped shadows / AA / several other options down or off (not touched the "Oculus quality" slider at all) and it manages 75fps in most situations, and drops to maybe 60 fps in extreme situations. With the same settings @1080p on the monitor (and vsync off, so I can see how fast it can really go) according to Ctrl-F it goes from ~200fps in clear space, to a minimum of ~90fps in those same extreme situations (dense belts or busy Coriolis). I have no idea if those figures are standard, but if you work off a ~30% framerate reduction (@1080p) as a baseline indicator, you should be able to gauge how your 770 might perform with a DK2, and what settings sacrifices (shadows, render distance, texture details, AA etc.) you may have to make to get it smooth.

If you are comfortable dropping settings to get more framerate at the expense of some prettiness (tbh the current DK2 resolution mitigates a lot of that pretty anyway) then a GTX770 should be fine.

You can run a DK2 pretty smoothly on a single GTX980, because a friend does (his was the rig that convinced me to get my own DK2). However since I can get acceptable (for me) framerates out of the GTX760 I'm loathe to spend anything now, at least until we hear more about the CV1, and also I want to let nVidia release a new gen GPU and/or get that SLi VR driver support in before I start planning upgrades (a second 760 will be more cost effective than a replacement 980, for sure).

If you do get a DK2, and decide that the 770 is just not up to the job, then I'd say the 980 (or 970 as a cheaper option) is probably where you should be looking.

Thank you both for the reply, Iv'e been giving it loads of thought and although I'm itching to try this as soon as possible logic is telling me wait a little longer.
If a jobs worth doing it's worth doing right, so I'm going to update my 770GTX to something with more grunt first and wait a little longer until i hear something on the CV1 this will give the bank balance some recovery time and if the CV1 is astronomical in cost I'll go with the DK2