DK2 or wait?
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Hello Arevalo,
I had the same doubt, although I decided to wait for the consumer version and go with EDTracker until then. I'm a bit put off by the resolution in the DK2, which should be enough in a monitor, but with the FOV of the DK2, you seem to see the space between pixels, which I see as a downer. It seems it's not of much of an issue to many people for the immersion you get, but I doubt I can go from a 4k monitor to 1080p with space between pixels...
If I heard right, the consumer version should have much better resolution, and also be cheaper than the developement version. I really hope it comes out this year though...
I had the same doubt, although I decided to wait for the consumer version and go with EDTracker until then. I'm a bit put off by the resolution in the DK2, which should be enough in a monitor, but with the FOV of the DK2, you seem to see the space between pixels, which I see as a downer. It seems it's not of much of an issue to many people for the immersion you get, but I doubt I can go from a 4k monitor to 1080p with space between pixels...
If I heard right, the consumer version should have much better resolution, and also be cheaper than the developement version. I really hope it comes out this year though...
SlackR
Banned
I honestly think that it depends on your rig. If you are working with a high end system Id say go for it... DSR and a solid 75 FPS take the DK2 to the next level.
I say this because I was forced to play on my old 780m laptop today... Lowest settings and still judder!
It felt like a different machine... Like a DK 1.5
Being able to max out graphics and effects also makes a huge difference.
... To the guy with the 4k screen...
My guess is if you had it you'd never use your screen again! I know I dont!
I say this because I was forced to play on my old 780m laptop today... Lowest settings and still judder!
It felt like a different machine... Like a DK 1.5
Being able to max out graphics and effects also makes a huge difference.
... To the guy with the 4k screen...
My guess is if you had it you'd never use your screen again! I know I dont!
I honestly think that it depends on your rig. If you are working with a high end system Id say go for it... DSR and a solid 75 FPS take the DK2 to the next level.
I say this because I was forced to play on my old 780m laptop today... Lowest settings and still judder!
It felt like a different machine... Like a DK 1.5
Being able to max out graphics and effects also makes a huge difference.
... To the guy with the 4k screen...
My guess is if you had it you'd never use your screen again! I know I dont!
Definitely what SlackR said!
To Dielos I'd say don't rule it out completely. The low resolution is a bit of a pain, but if you ever get the chance you should give it a go. I love my analogies...
It's a bit like viewing a large picture on a tablet device. You don't actually get to see the whole picture but with swiping and pinch to zoom you hardly notice the lack of screen estate. The better the tablet, the smoother the manipulation and the more you feel like the whole picture is there.
My DK2 with its single GTX980 is a pretty good experience at the moment. I may even hold off buying a CV1 until there's a next generation of videocard designed specifically with VR in mind.
Same here - I would never ever ever want to swap the DK2 experience in Elite for any kind of flat screen setup. Even a 3 or 6 or 9 screen 4k setup - it still doesnt put you "in there" no matter how pretty or large the flat surface is
No one knows price of CV1 at this point. CV1 is propably cheaper than DK2, but could be more expensive also or same price.
Should anyone get DK2? No! You should not get one and same goes for everyone else thinking of getting one. DK2 is not gaming peripheral, it is prototype of one. So unless you are developer yourself you should not get one period.
If you feel like supporting OR then you may consider getting one (Now that there is facebook funding behind it does not need it tho, but i am sure it will still warm their hearts).
Facts are:
1. Once CV1 hits the market DK2 becomes obsolete and goes to gather the dust in closets. No developer is oblicated to give their support for DK2 in any games and doubt they will (future or past ones).
2. DK2 will have problems and no one cares, things might work today and be broken tomorrow and you would not get any support what consumer should get if product was released.
3. You will have to get CV1 to replace DK2. DK2 becomes obsolete that is a fact, because it is prototype product. You will be lucky if it works in any games after that. (And there is a good chance that after you have tried DK2 you just cannot live without dose of vr anymore)
So if you are ok with putting 350$ to a prototype that will die aprox within next 12 months and ok not getting real support and not having right to complain about it (giving feedback is ok but whining is not) then yes you may get one.
Recommended that is not. Consumer should wait consumer version it is as simple as that. Selling DK2 down the line is not an option to anyone else than collector (otherwise it is just a scam).
Should anyone get DK2? No! You should not get one and same goes for everyone else thinking of getting one. DK2 is not gaming peripheral, it is prototype of one. So unless you are developer yourself you should not get one period.
If you feel like supporting OR then you may consider getting one (Now that there is facebook funding behind it does not need it tho, but i am sure it will still warm their hearts).
Facts are:
1. Once CV1 hits the market DK2 becomes obsolete and goes to gather the dust in closets. No developer is oblicated to give their support for DK2 in any games and doubt they will (future or past ones).
2. DK2 will have problems and no one cares, things might work today and be broken tomorrow and you would not get any support what consumer should get if product was released.
3. You will have to get CV1 to replace DK2. DK2 becomes obsolete that is a fact, because it is prototype product. You will be lucky if it works in any games after that. (And there is a good chance that after you have tried DK2 you just cannot live without dose of vr anymore)
So if you are ok with putting 350$ to a prototype that will die aprox within next 12 months and ok not getting real support and not having right to complain about it (giving feedback is ok but whining is not) then yes you may get one.
Recommended that is not. Consumer should wait consumer version it is as simple as that. Selling DK2 down the line is not an option to anyone else than collector (otherwise it is just a scam).
SlackR
Banned
If you can afford one though it is a great investment (even if only for six months) if you use it all the time. I have two and they've paid for themselves ten times over in terms of enjoyment derived from using them.
I've been using a DK2 since September, and if it broke I'd order another immediately... can't bear to play on a monitor now...
If you have the spare cash to buy the DK2 and then the CV1 when it comes out without worrying, then get your card out and order it
If you have the spare cash to buy the DK2 and then the CV1 when it comes out without worrying, then get your card out and order it
Yes it is. I have one myself and honestly i haven't had such jaw popping experience since first time 3d cards hit the market and i had finally opportunity to see one in action. Still it is good to face the facts what you are getting into with prototype device and i would not recommend getting one no matter how good it is, if you are not wholeheartedly doing it just for support and believing in the VR in general as next big thing in gaming. Not even if you are millionaire if you do it simply as gamer/consumer/consumer attitude. Unless you are developer yourself (or hobbyist).
But if you accept these facts then it is really up to you. I still would not recommend one until CV1. Not just for money perspective, but also experience perspective. DK2 is not finished experience no matter how deep and awesome it is.
And by the sound of it OP sounded like he did not have "extra" money to spend on it, but rather should he get DK2 or CV1 as if it is one or another. And to be frank there is no justification of getting DK2 if you don't have money to throw away just because you can.
I've had mine a few weeks and I find it impossible now to go back to playing with a monitor. Yes there are shortcomings, like the screen door and text, but nowhere near as bad as some people would have you think. And really none of it matters compared to the jaw dropping experience of sitting in a spaceship, and seeing the true scale of objects in the game. Dogfighting, with the heightened level of situational awareness it gives, is a whole quantum level above anything you've ever experienced before.
Even though it's strictly a developer tool, with the help of these forums it's really not so hard to get up and running. On a pure entertainment bang for buck level I wouldn't hesitate in recommending that anyone get hold of one.
That said, you have to consider whether you can afford to buy a DK2 now, and then a CV1 *possibly* later in the year, along with possible system upgrades if your setup isn't beefy enough. If your disposable hobby money will cover that, then don't even think about it, just order one. I for one would hate to have to wait another year to find out what all the people with DK2s are shouting about.
Even though it's strictly a developer tool, with the help of these forums it's really not so hard to get up and running. On a pure entertainment bang for buck level I wouldn't hesitate in recommending that anyone get hold of one.
That said, you have to consider whether you can afford to buy a DK2 now, and then a CV1 *possibly* later in the year, along with possible system upgrades if your setup isn't beefy enough. If your disposable hobby money will cover that, then don't even think about it, just order one. I for one would hate to have to wait another year to find out what all the people with DK2s are shouting about.
You might want to take a look at the Nate Mitchell interview at CES to get an idea of CV1 price and timescale - the former info is on the second page while he says on p3 that there is a "chance" that CV1 will be out by the end of the year. With Oculus talking about pre-orders for CV1 the likelihood is that there will be delays in delivery, so unless you were first in the queue you would probably get at least a year's worth of use out of a DK2 if you bought it.
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Disclaimer: I don't have a DK2 so I can't comment on the current benefits. I need to save up for a better GPU, so I've decided to wait for CV1 and buy the best card for it when it arrives
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Disclaimer: I don't have a DK2 so I can't comment on the current benefits. I need to save up for a better GPU, so I've decided to wait for CV1 and buy the best card for it when it arrives
I have a 4k screen, but the DK2 does trump 4k, it really is awesome in ED. Having said this, I do feel fatigued after a few hours of play and need to take a break from the rift, so I switch back to my 4k screen now and again, for those extended sessions.
given a choice between one or the other, i'd pick dk2 every time, it simply is amazing.
given a choice between one or the other, i'd pick dk2 every time, it simply is amazing.
yea if u can afford it then go with the rift, u wont be disappointed an important fact is make sure ur pc can handle it i have a gtx760 overclocked and runn it at 1440p with about 30 fps
How on earth do you tolerate that? With DSR enabled, my DK2 runs at around 65-70fps in stations... the frame judder is unbearable. 30fps would surely re-introduce me to my lunch!
I'd have to say go for it regarding the DK2 if you have the hardware and the disposable cash... you won't be disappointed. I think the CV1 is at least 6 months away, so if you are happy with spending £200 on something that you are only going to use for roughly half a year, do it. It's a remarkable peice of kit.
I can scrape my way to 75fps with GTX 870 on low settings, no DSR -- including the Rift Render Quality slider, unfortunately -- and 30-40fps with most everything high. There's ghosting at 30-40fps, but no judder that I can see. (I can sort of sense it, but it doesn't disturb me. Turning shadows down from high disturbs me actually more.)
No nausea. I've been outside the civilized space for the entirety of my rift-ownership, though: so except the checking docking with Rift in the tutorials I haven't yet tried stations.
Overall I'm happy that I got the DK2, and kind of peeved that I didn't get it even earlier, but I am now thinking about upgrading to 980, but since my rig is a laptop that means pretty much getting a whole new rig... so I'll probably hold off until the next gen.
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So you have a 970M, then? I didn't know such a thing existed!
I have a 970 desktop and can comfortably manage consistent 75fps on mix of low/medium settings. Sounds bad but tbh it's very hard to notice the difference in quality on the (apparent) lower resolution of the DK2. The only place I get noticeable judder is when I a resource extraction site, and there are a lot of npcs about. (there are other random judders too, but they happen even when on a normal monitor, so I attribute them to game performance rather than lack of power)
I don't use DSR / down sampling either. It makes things ever so slightly easier on the eye, but it also really 'softens' the text in a way which I dislike; it's kind of like a soft blur has been applied, and doesn't look great imo. It certainly doesn't make things *much* better, like a lot of people seem to say on here! And I'd choose framerate over soft text edges any day!
And regarding waiting, well, given that Oculus have recently said they want to have an input system nailed for the consumer version, I'm not holding out much hope for it to be this year any more.
I'd say jump. It's changed my gaming life. In fact I have difficulty bringing myself to play anything else now. The immersion is off the scale, even with all of its drawbacks.
I have a 970 desktop and can comfortably manage consistent 75fps on mix of low/medium settings. Sounds bad but tbh it's very hard to notice the difference in quality on the (apparent) lower resolution of the DK2. The only place I get noticeable judder is when I a resource extraction site, and there are a lot of npcs about. (there are other random judders too, but they happen even when on a normal monitor, so I attribute them to game performance rather than lack of power)
I don't use DSR / down sampling either. It makes things ever so slightly easier on the eye, but it also really 'softens' the text in a way which I dislike; it's kind of like a soft blur has been applied, and doesn't look great imo. It certainly doesn't make things *much* better, like a lot of people seem to say on here! And I'd choose framerate over soft text edges any day!
And regarding waiting, well, given that Oculus have recently said they want to have an input system nailed for the consumer version, I'm not holding out much hope for it to be this year any more.
I'd say jump. It's changed my gaming life. In fact I have difficulty bringing myself to play anything else now. The immersion is off the scale, even with all of its drawbacks.
I did quite extensive tests and the lag, fps loss, judder in resource extraction points is not related to CPU or GPU.
I can put 640 resolution and lowest settings and will experience the exactly same framerate as on 4k, ultra settings and 70% cpu clockrate.
It's a game engine issue which causes delays/waits during rendering that is not related to CPU or GPU power, it's either network performance or some other stuff that should not be done during frames.
They need to remove that pausing stuff from the rendering job and it should work fine.
I can put 640 resolution and lowest settings and will experience the exactly same framerate as on 4k, ultra settings and 70% cpu clockrate.
It's a game engine issue which causes delays/waits during rendering that is not related to CPU or GPU power, it's either network performance or some other stuff that should not be done during frames.
They need to remove that pausing stuff from the rendering job and it should work fine.