The Revolutionary Jotunheim Resistance and the Ngadjal Situation - A plea for help from Frontier

[GlyphGryph]

We have a private group although we play in Open almost completely. We're in the area pretty regularly, I see people all the time, but I mostly see people from our group or on my friends list... though I have seen many others too, we get a lot of traffic what with being so close to achenar.

Do you see lots of players elsewhere? This isn't the first time I've heard from people in the system who don't see anybody else, so I am assuming its an instancing quirk.

 

[Crazyeyes24]

All work and no influence gain make Crazyeyes a dull boy.

Seriously, whether or not they want it to be a black box or a purple box, this stuff is impeding fun. Without any fun there's no point to playing.

At least if they made a comment that things ARE broken, people wouldn't think that the intent was to always have a not-fun game.

 

[biglads]

Chiming in to agree with this thread. As well as running cargo to Jotunheim, I've run a heap of missions for the RJR and also involved myself in the Civil War there. I'd just like some clarity as to what actually helps/hinders factions and how faction states change and what's just in (at the moment) for 'flavour'.

 

[Ishmael]

The silence from the developers is deafening.

Frontier, I know you haven't really needed the kind of community manager an MMO needs for your Rollercoaster Tycoon game but you need to hire someone to do this job. Also it needs to be a non-clueless person who is able to get real answers from developers and help relay information to players (and vice versa). If you hire someone who doesn't actually understand the technical side of things like too many game companies do, this entire thing will get worse.

If you need an expert in software engineering lifecycles to help you with this my rates aren't cheap, though.

 

[CMDR Jenna Nord]

We have a private group although we play in Open almost completely. We're in the area pretty regularly, I see people all the time, but I mostly see people from our group or on my friends list... though I have seen many others too, we get a lot of traffic what with being so close to achenar.

Do you see lots of players elsewhere? This isn't the first time I've heard from people in the system who don't see anybody else, so I am assuming its an instancing quirk.

Well, Lave/Leesti/Diso I see more people around but not more then six at the same time and more often in stations then in SC.

 

[Hazdoc]

Whenever I'm in Jotunheim I almost always run across at least one other person in our group. You might just not be instancing well with our dudes.

 

[CMDR Jenna Nord]

But thats not my fault! :*(*****

 

[GlyphGryph]

Well, Lave/Leesti/Diso I see more people around but not more then six at the same time and more often in stations then in SC.

That's a lot less than you should be seeing - those systems tend to be absolutely packed. I assume you've got a low ping with most of the world for some reason, or are in a really off timezone.

But on topic, yeah, Ngadjal. Any attention here would be appreciated.

 

[CMDR Jenna Nord]

That's a lot less than you should be seeing - those systems tend to be absolutely packed. I assume you've got a low ping with most of the world for some reason, or are in a really off timezone.

But on topic, yeah, Ngadjal. Any attention here would be appreciated.

Well I live in Germany, thats not far from the UK servers^^

 

[hexenritter]

Frontier, I would very much like a response on this matter.

It has absolutely nothing to do with my captaincy in the RJR's elite 103rd Special Operations Wing, lovingly known as Harry's Flying Monkeys, or its affiliation with the Imperial Psyops and Political Destabilisation Department.

 

[Daffan]

The silence from the developers is deafening.

Frontier, I know you haven't really needed the kind of community manager an MMO needs for your Rollercoaster Tycoon game but you need to hire someone to do this job. Also it needs to be a non-clueless person who is able to get real answers from developers and help relay information to players (and vice versa). If you hire someone who doesn't actually understand the technical side of things like too many game companies do, this entire thing will get worse.

If you need an expert in software engineering lifecycles to help you with this my rates aren't cheap, though.

Inb4 "The simulation is kept tight in our black box"

 

[nipdawg]

Well I live in Germany, thats not far from the UK servers^^

I also live in Germany, and I'll see some of our guys once in a while, but not all that often. The instancing crap is a mystery to me, though, so I'm not going to pretend to understand how it "works".

Also, another goon chiming in. Please, Frontier, talk to us. This lack of information is starting to kill optimism.

 

[Angrymog]

Please talk to us. Tell us it's broken, tell us something other than 'black box' and 'working as intended'; or if you are going to tell us that, please explain how, in small words so that we understand.

We want to interact with the background sim, we even want to help you test things, but at the moment we're just blindly flailing with no idea of whether we're doing anything useful or just spitting into the wind.

 

[_Flin_]

Did you ever have (and notice) a civil war lately with the Revolutionary Jotunheim Resistance?

Am I right that you do not have a station yet in Ngadjal?

Furthermore... When you see missions disappearing, this might be due to the minor faction not having enough wealth (apart from low influence).
Since I do not know whether the wealth of a faction is faction specific or system specific, it might be a possible to increase the wealth and the amount of missions for the RJR by trading (export expensive stuff, import cheap stuff) in Jotunheim. Be careful though, that you don't trigger Boom, because with Boom you can't trigger Civil War in Ngadjal. Because "One Faction, One State".

 

[CMDR Jenna Nord]

Did you ever have (and notice) a civil war lately with the Revolutionary Jotunheim Resistance?

Am I right that you do not have a station yet in Ngadjal?

Furthermore... When you see missions disappearing, this might be due to the minor faction not having enough wealth (apart from low influence).
Since I do not know whether the wealth of a faction is faction specific or system specific, it might be a possible to increase the wealth and the amount of missions for the RJR by trading (export expensive stuff, import cheap stuff) in Jotunheim. Be careful though, that you don't trigger Boom, because with Boom you can't trigger Civil War in Ngadjal. Because "One Faction, One State".

Huh? Shouldn't it be possible when you have BOOM in Jotunheim to trigger a Civil War for that faction in another System??

 

[Jerzy7]

Huh? Shouldn't it be possible when you have BOOM in Jotunheim to trigger a Civil War for that faction in another System??

Nope minor factions can only have one state. So if your faction has boom you have to wait till it ends before the civil war can trigger.

 

[CMDR Jenna Nord]

So if a Minor Empire Faction that is present in like 100 systems eg Patron's Principle triggers a Civil War every system with that faction has a Civil War going? That's odd

 

[_Flin_]

So if a Minor Empire Faction that is present in like 100 systems eg Patron's Principle triggers a Civil War every system with that faction has a Civil War going? That's odd

No. Civil Wars are station specific. The system with the station in it will have conflict zones.
But the faction will have the state "Civil War" in 100 systems.

Until this is changed, I hardly think a faction can spread across 100 star systems. Because the states and their cooldowns will get in the way. There will always be some civil war somewhere and the cooldown will be always triggered.
My question was pointing to a possible "jetlag" from a civil war. There was some unexplainable stagnation of influence after a civil war in Lugh from the saturday before launch for a week or so.

Or maybe the influence queue for the system isn't being processed correctly. This can only be analyzed by Frontier.
So your best bet is collecting evidence and contacting them politely via multiple channels. Tickets (you already raised them) or this thread or Forum PM. Choose one person as spokesman and let them do the contacting, because spamming is probably counterproductive.
Sketch out how many people you are, how many missions you have done, etc. Bring up some evidence. Keep this thread on the front page. And then hope for an answer.

 

[Jerzy7]

Im not exactly sure if a faction that belongs to the big Three counts as I minor faction.

 

[GlyphGryph]

Also, there's a bit of trickery here in terms of the Empire factions - just because factions have the same name doesn't mean they are the same faction. There can be more than one Empire Party, for example, even in the same system, and they do not share states because they are actually unrelated factions and reputations with one don't effect the other.