Elite boring after 30-60 hours? Get real.
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Er, not sure if this has been said already, but Evolve is a 4v1 arena shooter, not a supposed sandbox.
I think the comparison is silly.
I think the comparison is silly.
It is a multiplayer game. It just is not in any way competative and it was never advertised as such and it will never be. Frankly I think many player just bought it because the liked the basic manouvering and thought the could have something akin to XvT with ranking and tournaments or at least a "meaningfull" PvP.
From what I can read here many players made wrong assumptions about Elite and are now mad at Frontier for not fullfilling them. That is not very rational.
Nor does it give a reason for lack of depth and content. You can turn vegan in real life, and that won't really have much effect on the meat production industry in general, but that doesn't mean that when you walk into a grocery shop that you suddenly, magically, immediately after stepping in, step out with a bag of groceries.
The only Titans I consider real Titans and would like to see in an game are the Titans from the Adeptus Mechanicus from Warhammer40k.
Imagine a 100 meter tall godmachine, destroying whole cities with one shot of its main cannons 8)
An may be one day it will, adding tournaments to the game would be another great expansion.
Video games internet journalism, the cream of the top , in otherwords shameless advertising.
Technically Columbus didn't just want to go to India, he wanted to find a new and better route to india. There's a distinct difference. The point is, exploration isn't the same as traveling, exploration in ED is basically tourism.
Some games - called 'simulations' - allow you to achieve things that DO exist in real life by trying to be as much like real life as they can. That's the sole point of them. Believe it or not, lots and lots of people play them.
Elite, as a space simulation, pitches somewhere between the two - trying to create a realistic simulation of a fictional scenario. The realism elements include you not having a laundry list of tasks to complete in return for fanfares, and you not being the savior of the galaxy.
A lot of people like this nod toward realism. It's a big plus, in fact.
That is probably the single most depressing thing I've read on this forum. Speak for yourself! Personally, having retained some of my childlike imagination, I occasionally like to have a game that creates an environment for unstructured play, rather than telling me what to do all the time. Yeah, I can do pretty well with just my eyes closed, but I can do even better in something like ED.
I think that might ultimately be the difference between the likers and the haters. Have you retained any of your childlike imagination? Yes/No.
No = What am I supposed to do? There's nothing for me to do and I need a job. What's my job?
Yes = IMMA IN A SPACESHIP! SPAAAAAACESHIIIIIP!!!
Yes your point has been brought up already and I've already responded to why I think it's of no concern in the context of this discussion.
We're not comparing the individual gameplay elements of an open world sandbox universe simulation to a 4v1 arena shooter. We're comparing the gameplay experience time per dollar paid and the relative or perceived "depth" of each game. You may find depth in repeating the same fights over and over in an arena shooter. Others may experience depth in exploring variations of procedurally generated systems.
At the end of the day however, I doubt you'll find anyone who got bored of elite within 2-4 hours. Unless they were expecting Elite to be something it isn't like a first person version of EVE.
Absolutely. They realized that they cannot grief, gank, dominate others and now they are whining. Hopefully, there will be a new brainless mainstream shooter released soon for their enjoyment and they'll stop wasting our time.
My wife won't let me have a childlike imagination, and I think the kids drew "Dad smells of poo" on it anyway.
Having the capability to support player warfare does not mean that the game is telling you what to do.
The game currently has mining in it. It does not tell you to mine though. Should mining be removed? Or if it wasn't in the game, should people lobby against mining being introduced to the game, because "you set your own goals and the game should not tell you what do?"
Of course not! That would be silly. Same for player faction warfare. It does not dictate your gameplay. It only enhances it by providing more activities to engage in, if you so choose.
And even if you don't engage in it, it still enhances your game. To take the "real life" example here for the supporters of that argument: there's wars and conflict in the real world too. In the game, just because you don't engage in any of it doesn't mean that it can't be fun to follow the conflict of the big player factions and see how they evolve around you. You're in the same universe, even though you don't participate.
It would make the game less shallow. It would help in making it feel more alive, as if actually something real is happening in it, rather than just fake, scripted events,written by FD and putting players on rails. Fake, premade stories are not fun. *Real* stories, made by the players, as a result of actual conflict or cooperation is where it's at. Even if you're not directly part of it, the feeling of depth and complexity you get by just seeing it happen around you cannot be understated. In fact, it can help in overcoming other shortcoming in the game.
Why are players against this? It literally has no downsides for anyone.
I don't disagree. But it gets old pretty fast. After that, there still needs to be something in there to keep your interest.
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No, you can only talk about YOUR interest not his or mine.
A game can only support a certain number of features. That is why traditional Flight Simulators like X-Plane make notoriuosly bad Combat Sims.
For you Elite is a lot more like X-Plane and I'm pretty sure you don't want to play X-Plane.
I think FD provides a nice counter-argument here:
That doesn't even look *remotely* anything like X-Plane to me... If it is, they're trying to sell it to the wrong people then, no? If I can't seem to find that "cut-throat" galaxy anywhere, or that some may know me as an ally or pirate or assassin or hero, well, frankly, what did you expect? Of course I'm going to the forums and complain to the devs. And I also won't accept the "this game is not meant to be like that" argument. To me, it clearly wanted to be "like that", but didn't get to (yet?)
Also, I could reverse your argument: you seem to like SpaceEngine a lot, but seem to think that Elite is SpaceEngine
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Point me to one thing in there you cannot do?
the thing is you can do ALL of them, you just expect it to be flashier, that YOU would be the hero but you are just ONE player, again, it is more about the simulation and less about the achievment.
Be in a cut-throat galaxy, for starters. Or engaging in meaningful warfare.
I don't know what "flashier" means. And I have never played an MMO where you can be "the one". So I don't get what you mean here. You can never be "the one" in an MMO-alike. Having mechanics for meaningful interactions with the game's world has nothing to do with the word "flashy."
If there's anyone who ever posted about this game in a way that 100% reflects my own opinion of it, it's this one:
https://anttiilomaki.wordpress.com/2015/02/05/elite-dangerous-or-endangered
After you read that, you might get a glimpse at why many of us are so hugely disappointed by the game in its current state.
In the end, it might boil down to the question of whether you're a casual player or not. The game might be a perfect 10/10 for casuals, I get that. But for me, space sims were never a casual experience. If I think that the game has bad mechanics (or lacks mechanics), I'm not going to hold back on criticism because others don't have a problem with that.
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