Celebration at Lincoln Station - February 12, 3301
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I agree... don't judge a Commander by the hip they fly. Many Federation Commanders would love to fly a Clipper.
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If there is, we need a birthday celebration there as well. And for William Wilberforce. And Carl Sagan. I'm personally looking forward to anniversary of the launch of Voyager II and then Voyager I.
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The Empire can survive without slavery. Just pay people a living wage.
All this slavery talk is ridiculous, especially coming from the Federation who turns a blind eye to the systems within it that use slavery. There is a huge difference between slavery and Imperial Slavery.
In slavery you are likely taken as hostage and forced to serve for your entire life. Also as a slave you are disposable as your life holds only as value as the amount it cost to purchased you. The only two ways out of regular slavery is death or escape and be a fugitive for the rest of your life.
Imperial Slavery is nothing but voluntary indebted servitude. You cannot be born into Imperial Slavery. For Imperial Slavery you debted yourself in such a way that your only means of payback is to serve. And depending on the debt size you can work your way out of Imperial Slavery. And these debts are brought upon by choice. As an Imperial Slave you are still a valued human being and you are not disposable. Imperial slavery is honorable.
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Just leave George Lucas out of this. No Special Edition Birthday please. The amount of explosions would likely be excessive.
In slavery you are likely taken as hostage and forced to serve for your entire life. Also as a slave you are disposable as your life holds only as value as the amount it cost to purchased you. The only two ways out of regular slavery is death or escape and be a fugitive for the rest of your life.
Imperial Slavery is nothing but voluntary indebted servitude. You cannot be born into Imperial Slavery. For Imperial Slavery you debted yourself in such a way that your only means of payback is to serve. And depending on the debt size you can work your way out of Imperial Slavery. And these debts are brought upon by choice. As an Imperial Slave you are still a valued human being and you are not disposable. Imperial slavery is honorable.
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Just leave George Lucas out of this. No Special Edition Birthday please. The amount of explosions would likely be excessive.
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I'm sure that can be negotiated. If when going into Imperial Slavery you did not negotiate an after-debt wage that is on you.
Great to see the plan coming together, Jaiotu 
I figure I should repost some stuff in here, on the subject of slavery:
Here's a link that further elaborates upon this point: http://www.examiner.com/list/in-the...om-the-founding-fathers-on-libery-and-freedom
And if you're looking for a good song to play at the festivities, may I suggest the one in my sig?
I figure I should repost some stuff in here, on the subject of slavery:I've seen a number of people on the boards make the point that there is a fundamental difference between Imperial Slaves and 'regular', non-Imperial ones in the ED universe. They say that Imperial Slaves have it better than normal ones, making the point that the Imperial ones eventually get out of slavery once their debt has been payed, which is apparently why many Imperial citizens sell themselves into bondage to begin with. Normal Slaves get sold into bondage, and there is no escape. The argument is thus made that there is a fundamental moral difference between the two, and that this difference must always be kept in mind.
But this is the delusion, though - There is no difference, in the end. Slavery is slavery is slavery - It doesn't matter if you want to be enslaved or not. It's the same concept as supposedly legitimate 'elected dictatorships', as ancient Greek democracies often turned into, where people would vote away their freedoms for the supposed security and protection promised by a would-be despot. You cannot vote away your rights, any more than you can legitimately sell yourself into slavery, which is the same thing, essentially. As a human being, you can't give away your right to freedom - it's a permanent, unalienable right.
Our right to liberty, as with the rights to life and the pursuit of happiness, are fundamental to who we are as human beings. They are an inseparable part of our humanity.
I know that these arguments for slavery are almost completely done from a RP perspective, but the argument is a disturbing one, so I wanted to answer it in this post, just for GP. Thanks for your time
TL;DR: This isn't Twitter - Stop being lazy and read the damn post!
Here's a link that further elaborates upon this point: http://www.examiner.com/list/in-the...om-the-founding-fathers-on-libery-and-freedom
And if you're looking for a good song to play at the festivities, may I suggest the one in my sig?
Imperial slavery is still slavery,so let me ask,if you were in the position of all the people in the Empire who were in debt,would you want to become an Imperial slave?
Also,the stations that sell slaves are actually independant Stations inside the federal systems.
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Oh, and if anybody is looking for an actionable plan for changing things in-game, may I suggest the following?
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=101801&page=4&p=1582369&viewfull=1#post1582369
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=101801&page=7&p=1621596&viewfull=1#post1621596
I've talked to Michael about them, and I suspect they won't be posting these stories on Galnet, as they don't seem to fit with FD's plan, I suspect. However, if folks start making this happen on their own, we could very well have a 'Mercs of Mikunn' situation, where it's legitimized enough by in-game player activities that they'll decide to post it on Galnet Also, there are changes coming in 1.1 (from what I've heard) that will increase mission generation for small minor factions, which Michael said will help currently inconsequential minor powers potentially regain prominence. Here's hoping
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Well said, indeed Abraham Lincoln himself had a great quote about this:
"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=101801&page=4&p=1582369&viewfull=1#post1582369
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=101801&page=7&p=1621596&viewfull=1#post1621596
I've talked to Michael about them, and I suspect they won't be posting these stories on Galnet, as they don't seem to fit with FD's plan, I suspect. However, if folks start making this happen on their own, we could very well have a 'Mercs of Mikunn' situation, where it's legitimized enough by in-game player activities that they'll decide to post it on Galnet
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Well said, indeed
Abraham Lincoln himself had a great quote about this:"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally."
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The English decided that 'Colombo' born in Genoa (now part of Italy) had too many 'O's in his name and no 'U's, a nasty precedence for the discoverer of America!
Hence ... 'Columbus'
Well,I hate to burst your bubble,but Christopher Columbus was not the first European to discover America.The English decided that 'Colombo' born in Genoa (now part of Italy) had too many 'O's in his name and no 'U's, a nasty precedence for the discoverer of America!
Hence ... 'Columbus'
To be fair, I don't think the vikings realized it was a whole new continent they had found. Also, one could argue that it wasn't a distinction they would have necessarily cared about, lol
Didn't help that they didn't really write anything down, either...True,but we can not be too sure,there is also that greek prince that might have discovered though...To be fair, I don't think the vikings realized it was a whole new continent they had found. Also, one could argue that it wasn't a distinction they would have necessarily cared about, lol
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if youre using naming conventions for new stations australian prime minsters ( bob hawke, paul keating, john howard, julia gillad, kevin rudd and tony abbott) are names that could be used for factions
Sounds like fun.
Can't wait to flash my lights...
Can't wait to flash my lights...
Not even the English could put a 'U' in Erik
P.s. I forgot to mention in my first post ... Great idea, couldn't get there... I hope there's more such meets with ED related historical politics
Edit. I'll be there, I hate slavers whatever faction they are
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Except your pilot probably doesn't know any of those persons (especially considering the fact that since there are so many systems colonized, there have been way more new historical figures since now and the time the game takes places than since now and the birth of humanity).
However your pilot knows there is a Lincoln station. It makes sense from an ingame perspective that they would remember him even if that was a half true version of history.
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Really? Hadn't heard about that. Hmmm... enlighten me
I don't think there is any "hard evidence" but some ancient art appears to depict pineapples which would indicate some contact with the Americas.
Wow. Yeah, that IS crazy. No other explanation for what those could be?
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I attended the 01:00 UTC one, but unfortunately nobody else was there in my instance I won't be able to attend the 18:00 one that made it to GalNet, since I'm in UTC-5 and will be at work, but I hope you guys get a lot of attendees!
I do Let's Plays, and was hoping to record people flashing their lights. If anyone else could get that on video, that'd be awesome! Even though there was nobody else I'll still post the video I took.
I won't be able to attend the 18:00 one that made it to GalNet, since I'm in UTC-5 and will be at work, but I hope you guys get a lot of attendees!I do Let's Plays, and was hoping to record people flashing their lights. If anyone else could get that on video, that'd be awesome! Even though there was nobody else I'll still post the video I took.