Illogical fuel costs

[Nozyk]

So i did a simple math today using 2 very different ships and checking fuel costs.
Hauler - 4T fuel tank - filling up 10% (400kg) is a cost of 22 CR - thats 55 CR/T of fuel
Type-9 - 16T fuel tank - filling 10% (1600kg) is a cost of 6709 CR - thats ~4193 CR/T of fuel

The numbers speak for themselves - you are charged more for THE SAME AMMOUNT of THE SAME fuel when using a bigger ship... which is wrong.
Just because i can afford to pay more for the fuel doesn't mean i should. I worked hard to get that money.
I do understand that the game needs some sort of money sink, but at least try to back it with logic.
Make it a tax, make it a refueling service fee, make it anything that has any sense in it, not "you're rich, you pay more because we say so".

 

[bamber]

Haulers have a 2 stroke engine they'll run on any mucky diesel going

Type 9 needs mobil super unleaded additive free extra lubricated magnetic clingon tech fuel (it has a dinky lttle flim flam machine when you fuel scoop to add in the additives usually by taking components of your hull hence the high cost hull damage you usually take

 

[Lyandritz]

Use a fuel scoop!
It's awesome.

 

[Tenshi]

The ships use different grades of fuel, these are not yet shown in the game and when they are certain stars will produce poor or good fuel for scooping from as well. This will incur penalties as well for explorers as it will mean quicker wear and tear on ships and the possibility of miss jumps.

A formula 1 car needs different fuel than a transit van basically.

 

[brakaton]

get a fuel scoop

 

[Matt Hawkins]

you are charged more for THE SAME AMMOUNT of THE SAME fuel when using a bigger ship

Bigger ships require more effort to accommodate. So you are paying a rate based on the wear and tear you cause the station when you fill up. They could just charge you a docking fee based on size and a fixed rate for fuel ... but then people with fuel scoops would be moaning about that.

So I think it's all fine. It comes under the affordability of larger ships. If you can't afford a ship and it's (unfair) running costs don't fly one.

 

[Pappy]

Who pays for fuel? I have paid 0 CR for fuel since start of Gamma. Look at your stats: how much have you spent on fuel? Could that have paid for a high rated fuel scoop, and really nice and shiny parts on your ship or even another ship?

Good luck and Happy Hunting!

//Pappy

 

[Darkwolf]

Who pays for fuel? I have paid 0 CR for fuel since start of Gamma. Look at your stats: how much have you spent on fuel? Could that have paid for a high rated fuel scoop, and really nice and shiny parts on your ship or even another ship?

Or... on trade ships, who scoops fuel? With that internal slot you could have put more cargo in, how much fuel could you have bought with the additional profit per run? How many additional trade runs could you do with the time saved?

I'll grant you on exploration or general purpose ships that fuel scoops are great, and on the really big ships they're nearly mandatory, but on trade ships you're usually better off without the scoop.

 

[Cocabaron]

Ive thought this for a long time : (

 

[777Driver]

Or... on trade ships, who scoops fuel? With that internal slot you could have put more cargo in, how much fuel could you have bought with the additional profit per run? How many additional trade runs could you do with the time saved?

I'll grant you on exploration or general purpose ships that fuel scoops are great, and on the really big ships they're nearly mandatory, but on trade ships you're usually better off without the scoop.

OP is talking about the T9. I take it you have never owned a Type-9? You make a choice using simple maths, does equipping a fuel scoop reduce costs on your 'active' trade route? Yes.. ok install.

T9 costs 300,000 credits to fill up. most of my shorter routes didn't require a scoop, but my 25LY routes most definitely required one, lose 16T of cargo to save 150,000 credits in fuel. It doesn't even need considering.

If I return to a shorter route I sell the scoop for the same price I paid for it.

@OP, nothing illogical about fuel costs, just be thankful FD haven't tried to get realistic and model docking charges based on ship size. You pay extra for the fueling process.

 

[Defacto]

There was going to be different grades of fuel. Fuel prices for different ships were changed as a placeholder.

 

[Mountain Dewed]

Have you taken in consideration the larger power plant which uses fuel to operate?

 

[Quineloe]

Bigger ships require more effort to accommodate. So you are paying a rate based on the wear and tear you cause the station when you fill up. They could just charge you a docking fee based on size and a fixed rate for fuel ... but then people with fuel scoops would be moaning about that.

So I think it's all fine. It comes under the affordability of larger ships. If you can't afford a ship and it's (unfair) running costs don't fly one.

That makes no sense. That would be a landing fee like FE2 had.

Have you taken in consideration the larger power plant which uses fuel to operate?

Since you can run a Type 9 on a class 3 power plant, no. Not at all.

 

[777Driver]

That makes no sense. That would be a landing fee like FE2 had.

This has been discussed in detail in the past... I will give a very simple explanation for those that need to be grounded in reality.

A learjet uplifting 4T of fuel at Biggin hill will pay a lot less than a A380 uplifting 4T of fuel at Heathrow. Same fuel.. That's how it works in reality.

 

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[Quineloe]

This has been discussed in detail in the past... I will give a very simple explanation for those that need to be grounded in reality.

A learjet uplifting 4T of fuel at Biggin hill will pay a lot less than a A380 uplifting 4T of fuel at Heathrow. Same fuel.. That's how it works in reality.

That is not the example I have quoted.

 

[19th hole]

This has been discussed in detail in the past... I will give a very simple explanation for those that need to be grounded in reality.

A learjet uplifting 4T of fuel at Biggin hill will pay a lot less than a A380 uplifting 4T of fuel at Heathrow. Same fuel.. That's how it works in reality.

haha, it's like a person who just bought an exotic car complaining about the milage figure that's should be the least of the owner's concern... one obviously knows how to make cash... com'on 1+1=2

 

[EddyRockSteady]

This has been discussed in detail in the past... I will give a very simple explanation for those that need to be grounded in reality.

A learjet fueling 4T of fuel at Biggin hill will pay a lot less than a A380 fueling 4T of fuel at Heathrow. Same fuel.. That's how it works in reality.

Yeah, but we are speaking about a space-cow here, a truck. Even my Anaconda is vastly cheaper than my T-9. As far as reality is concerned, I somehow doubt that 18-wheelers pay more for diesel than I do. Hell, even me in my Range Rover only pays a pound ten per litre.

 

[Vincent Starson]

Meh, I just buy fuel in my Anaconda. ~38k credits for 17 ly one way, every 5 minutes or so.

 

[Pappy]

Or... on trade ships, who scoops fuel? With that internal slot you could have put more cargo in, how much fuel could you have bought with the additional profit per run? How many additional trade runs could you do with the time saved?

I'll grant you on exploration or general purpose ships that fuel scoops are great, and on the really big ships they're nearly mandatory, but on trade ships you're usually better off without the scoop.

I postulate that a Class 2 or 3 mount worth of cargo cannot pay you in profit what a fuel scoop saves you in fuel cost, especially as you get bigger in ships and cargo carrying capacity.

The fact that it costs more for bigger ships, I believe, is that they are "trying" to follow E=mc^2, or as your mass increases, it takes more energy to move that mass especially at relativistic speeds, and the curve is algorithmic, not a straight line.

Good luck and Happy Hunting!

//Pappy