The "I'm disappointed" thread

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Globusdiablo

Globusdiablo
Top Cat said:
As I said, noone cares if you think its OK or not.

And yes, modering a derailed thread in line with the published guidelines is perfectly OK. Whether you or I agree with those guidelines is another matter. And essentially, if you dont agree with the rules, noone is keeping you, or I, here.
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How is moderating the same as closing?
 

Globusdiablo

Globusdiablo
Top Cat said:
How about the period your thread was open for? It was open for almost a day. How about this thread? This thread has been going on for a while, and oyu have been venting. No sign of you being stopped yet.

And answer this - why SHOULD Frontier provide a platform for you to vent? Why are you entitled to that?

And yes, closing it is controlling it.
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You're right of course.
 

Gorodd

Gorodd
Globusdiablo said:
Please notice: This is not a "I hate the game - Goodbye" thread.

This is an attempt to create a thread where commanders can vent their dissappointment with what Elite: Dangerous has evolved to, without the thread getting closed.

It should be seen as an attempt to contain complaints, disappointments and frustrations to one thread instead of having to constantly close down ever spawning threads like a game of "Whack A Mole".

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So here goes. This is my initial grievance/vent modified in an attempt to avoid closure:

Some of you may know the tale of The Emperor's New Clothes.

The bottom line is, that no matter how many bow and scrape in honour of something that simply isn't there, the fact of the matter is that this game has been pushed into release far too soon.

I won't go into too much detail as the threads concerning these issues are easily found on this forum, but let me put two points forward:

  1. The game is not even close to being feature complete. Who in there right mind releases a product to the public in an unfinished state, unless you intend to generate income on the short term only. The hype will die soon enough when consumers realise the shell of a dream they have bought into.
  2. The game is riddled with fundamental bugs, that seem to multiply with each new "patch". This is by no means the trademark of any software wanting to claim a high street hallmark.

Edit, thanks to Azdour: "For all the good things and time I have had playing it is the missing and buggy parts that seem to be now taking the game away from me, from a like to play to becoming disappointed in the way I feel the game is heading"

As a premium beta backer I'm still proud of contributing to the dream, and I will follow the evolution of Elite: Dangerous in-game, in this forum, and on the internet in general.

Fly safe commanders.

Please feel free to vent. :)
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Yes, pretty much agree in principle with you - I've stepped away for now waiting for all the improvements to land before playing again. The analogy I would use for ED is its a kin to the One Ring and the Dark Lord...ED is the Dark Lord without the One Ring (just now)...one day (perhaps next year 2016) the Dark Lord will find his One Ring and become manifest?
 

Titus Balls

Titus Balls
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This is a direct cut and paste of this thread https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=116000 opened by you and closed by the mods.
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IMHO (and others - it's been commented on, on twitter and reddit) Iain went too far in closing that thread, that other mods already participated in and was not particularly pernicious. Maybe he didn't have his coffee and was a bit grumpy?

Anyway as you say - it's a direct cut and paste, so I'll directly cut and paste my last post in there:

Like it or not, ED is competing with the already established Eve in the niche space, as well as many other established games.

In the space (no pun intended) other games have tried (Jumpgate, Earth & Beyond, heck even Freelancer) and have all fallen by the wayside - Eve, for better or worse, is the only one that managed to cut it and most of it's core subscriber base have kept with it for > 10 years and with active subscriber account makes at least between €3-5m a month.

I know it's never popular to bring it up, but quite simply it is the benchmark that two years ago Frontier should have been working towards - not necessary all the features, lets keep sovereignty out of it, but that doesn't mean you could not have had player owned features & crafting, a working instancing system (I read the KS and back them they claimed the P2P tech was tested and working, but I think the beta and launch has proved that was optimistic at best) - or dynamic mission chains, random missions, and working factional warfare - pretty much any MMO has it, even Minecraft has it. People will argue back and forth that it's not an MMO - but when offline mode was definitely dropped it became that.

I know, and I've said it myself, that people have said "When Eve launched it was a buggy mess and had no content" - well yes that was 13 years ago when the web, and modern game development in general, were still in their infancy. Frontier is a 20 year old company - they are making mistakes like a bunch of rookies would have done (and I know I've tried and failed to launch a £300k development studio 15 years ago making a space game very much inspired by Elite, then switching to a shooter because we were young and stupid).

Now Frontier has stiff competition chasing it, and having a head start Frontier should not squander it, but myself and others are concerned that through hubris or sheer bloody-mindedness Frontier will continue down a path that sees most players not sticking around and all that's going to be left are a handful of KS backers - at which point Frontier might just decide it's not economical to run the game anymore and switch it off (and the offliners will surely come back and gloat about that).

Many we promised a game, and even late last year DB was saying the "full game" would be released in 2014. Now I don't think any of us were under the illusion that it would be the COMPLETE GAME, that's how MMOs work and new features are added with every content patch - but these days most games launch with at least enough content to keep people going for 3-4 months until the next big content patch.

Instead we're seeing people who joined us in December already bored and leaving, even today one of the "silent majority" piping up to say they might not come back. We hear arguments of "give Frontier a year/2 years/until Planetary Landing is added" but quite frankly that just means most people will look at this as another £40 wasted and move on. I know I've had £100 of enjoyment out of the game so if I cut loose today I would be disappointed but not angry.

On top of it, my own gripe is Frontier are terrible at communications, both direct with the community and through marketing - the perception is neither know what the other is doing. Marketing blunder in with grandiose statements and flashy pictures and videos. The devs come on here - Sandro tries, Michael comes across with snappy one lines (that are more and more starting to look like he has cut and paste responses to everything).

Again it might not be the case but everything Frontier have done with Elite: Dangerous, and even ED itself comes over as amateur hour. And quite frankly after seeing what happened to Molyneux, Mr Braben should begin to be weary of what he continues to promise.
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The Emperor's New Clothes indeed.

Also, I'll add since then that today's Dev Update is the first one I've read that gives me some hope 1.2 might have some interesting features.

My concern from today is that a patch is issued to put a partially built new station in a system - does this mean every stage will need this? Every new station in systems? Or are they just adding assets to make it easier in the future to do from the server side? Currently it's not clear.
 
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jadefriendly

jadefriendly
Much as I tend to whinge a bit on here

I am not disappointed with the game itself.

I think it's amazing, it's the most time I've put into a game in my adult life. I think what they have done with the time and budget is superb. I love it.

However, I do think choosing online/multiplayer has led them down a path of dealing with those challenges, which is leaving the content behind. I've been waiting for 20 years for a successor to Frontier, and in that time - with games like X-BTF series, Freelancer, Darkstar, etc. I know what *could* be done, if they weren't so busy concentrating on the issues that come directly from PvP / servers / hacking / etc. etc.

I backed it as a solo game and was hugely disappointed they canned the offline mode. I still think it was a mistake.
 

Top Cat

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Globusdiablo said:
Too bad. I didn't intend to be.

Oh well. I'm wrong and you all are right. Majority desicion.
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Doesnt matter if you or I think we are in the right. The mods are always right, even when they are wrong. And you agreed to that when you agreed to the terms and conditions of using this forum.
 
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RingoD123

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These threads mainly get closed due to the "defenders" whinging about *another* one of these threads, then start whinging themselves about the people making these threads.
2 things,
1) stop posting in threads that you cant provide a meaningful response to (e.g, "urgh, another one of these" and "im disappointed by your disappointment etc).
2)have a problem with a forum member or something they wrote? discuss it in PM and leave the thread on topic and to be moderated by moderators.
This will stop perfectly fine threads being closed and then new ones started, Simples really!
 

Globusdiablo

Globusdiablo
kapitankev said:
You'd rather they hadn't released the game yet? Then you'd have nothing to play.....unless you're an early backer....in which case what difference does it make?
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As I wrote in the OP, I would have liked them to wait with the release. I am/was actually quite attached to this game, and I fear that FD are shooting themselves in the foot by releasing an unfinished bug riddled title to the public. That dog won't hunt.
 

Kramster

Kramster
Sort of got exactly what I expected, I knew this would be an ongoing project.
ED was never going to launch feature complete, we didn't trust them enough to give them $70 million
As far as bugs, I have come across a few but no more than I still find in games that have been released months or even years ago.

My only disappointment is that it isn't very dangerous and lacks edginess/excitement but I keep playing and have done since September, the most time I have spent on a game for a very long time.
 

Sergio Smegolia

Sergio Smegolia
I'm disappointed they released the game when they said they would because I really wanted to see the forum full of "Mwahhhhh! You promised me this game now FD! You lied to us again!! You suck FD!!!" posts. Because, lets be honest, us gamers are not the most rational of people are we?

Who'd be a game developer eh?
 

Globusdiablo

Globusdiablo
RingoD123 said:
These threads mainly get closed due to the "defenders" whinging about *another* one of these threads, then start whinging themselves about the people making these threads.
2 things,
1) stop posting in threads that you cant provide a meaningful response to (e.g, "urgh, another one of these" and "im disappointed by your disappointment etc).
2)have a problem with a forum member or something they wrote? discuss it in PM and leave the thread on topic and to be moderated by moderators.
This will stop perfectly fine threads being closed and then new ones started, Simples really!
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So "disappointed" threads are being griefed? I knew this. Just hadn't said it out loud... :)

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Top Cat said:
What can I do, a fact is a fact and when I'm right I'm right!:)
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I don't mind. :)

I only ever made a mistake once in my life. Luckily it turned out to be a mistake though...
 
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