Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread [See new thread]

[Jorlin]

What's most troubling to me is people's lack of vision on this topic. You clearly don't understand what's lost when you let people selectively choose when and where they want to face adversity.

You know the endless threads about how the game is dull and lifeless? This topic is one of the biggest reasons why they exist. Maybe you don't have experience playing multiplayer games, maybe you simply lack the ability to see the larger picture, who knows.

So much was lost when they decided to let people go ghost mode at will. If you can't understand that, you probably never will. You may as well let people disable hostile npcs...

I understand your problem with it perfectly well, i just have a different opinion
I play multiplayer games for about fifteen years now.... and i'm pretty fed up with them for the moment.

So:
"we" do undestand what you are saying... we really get it.
we just don't agree with you.

 

[Bigcheese]

I understand your problem with it perfectly well, i just have a different opinion
I play multiplayer games for about fifteen years now.... and i'm pretty fed up with them for the moment.

So:
"we" do undestand what you are saying... we really get it.
we just don't agree with you.

Well no you do agree with me, as you know much is lost with this setup.

You just prefer the easier road. Usually this is why different modes are available. Allowing switching really gutted open however, and that is unfortunate. The answer to dealing with adversity is not to switch it off, which is all FD did. It's just sad to me players here seem so quick to give up and flip the switch.

I'll go back to all the threads where people talk about how empty and lifeless the game is now.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Well no you do agree with me, as you know much is lost with this setup.

You just prefer the easier road. Usually this is why different modes are available. Allowing switching really gutted open however, and that is unfortunate.

I'll go back to all the threads where people talk about how empty and lifeless the game is now.

I think you are taking 2 different issues and making a link where there is not necessarily one.

As I have said many times (personally) I have no issue with ALL, untill 3 weeksish ago ALL of my time had been in ALL.... And as soon as the mechanics are made believable for actions --> Consequence for everyone, not just the trader I, like Arnie, will be back.

I am not SCARED of MP despite your digs to the contrary I just do not enjoy being attacked by people for lolz knowing there is no consequences for them doing so, and no protection from the autorities no matter where in space I am.

but, your intimation that MP is the only possible way to simulate life in the galaxy imo is a fallacy. Enjoying solo (or in my case Mobius) =/= as not wanting more "life" in the galaxy. (though for the record I am not one of the moaners about the lack of game content, so long as more comes eventually..... I am loving living in my own spaceship in VR)

 

[Jorlin]

Well no you do agree with me, as you know much is lost with this setup.

You just prefer the easier road. Usually this is why different modes are available. Allowing switching really gutted open however, and that is unfortunate.

I'll go back to all the threads where people talk about how empty and lifeless the game is now.

you got that wrong.
i said, i undestand your problem with it, not that there is a problem.
i personally lose nothing with this setup, i only gain the freedom to chose my playstyle everyday. not that i'm switching so far...but i could if i want.

and again you acuse me of doing it the "easy way".
if that would be the case, i might play PvE group instead... but i don't.
and you won't find me crying about how "lifeless and empty" it feels, because that's exactly what i want at the moment

 

[Bigcheese]

I am not SCARED of MP despite your digs to the contrary I just do not enjoy being attacked by people for lolz knowing there is no consequences for them doing so, and no protection from the autorities no matter where in space I am.

This is a valid point so I will respond and it's one of the reasons this design bothers me.

They decided to forgo implementing proper multiplayer mechanics and just said "screw it" and let people switch modes. There's videos of braben talking about this very thing, system security. Such a cop out to leave it all by the wayside in favor of "well you can just go solo".

It's a tremendous shame and we all lost on this.

 

[xaisis]

What's most troubling to me is people's lack of vision on this topic. You clearly don't understand what's lost when you let people selectively choose when and where they want to face adversity.

You know the endless threads about how the game is dull and lifeless? This topic is one of the biggest reasons why they exist. Maybe you don't have experience playing multiplayer games, maybe you simply lack the ability to see the larger picture, who knows.

So much was lost when they decided to let people go ghost mode at will. If you can't understand that, you probably never will. You may as well let people disable hostile npcs...

Well maybe i do not understand, cos i am having fun the way i choose to play, i do think i understand multiplayer, i like to play with my friends and have fun with them, that gives meaning to me. or meeting a new person out in space.
I do play in a group, with other players that have mostly the same likes and dislikes as i do. we get along just fine.

The vision i lag, you seem to be lagging 10 times over, this game is a multiplayer experience to some, a mmo to others and solo enjoyment to others. you seem to forget that.

The devs made it so the solo players can join you in open when they feel like it, u should be grateful for that. as if they had not u would have even less "fun"

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

This is a valid point so I will respond and it's one of the reasons this design bothers me.

They decided to forgo implementing proper multiplayer mechanics and just said "screw it" and let people switch modes. There's videos of braben talking about this very thing, system security. Such a cop out to leave it all by the wayside in favor of "well you can just go solo".

It's a tremendous shame and we all lost on this.

I agree........ but I am hoping its a temporary issue and have not given up on the game delivering as advertised.... in time.

 

[Kyokushin]

So make game more grindy for me because I do not feel like being your little target practice?
And deny me having my own tiny footprint in the world?

Penalize me for not wanting to have anything to do with ats and I start to lose interest in the game, simple as that.

I stop having fun => I stop playing => I stop contributing cash to ongoing existence of the game.
There are huge number of people like me, so hurting our gaming experience can lead to game going bust.


You guys have game you desire out there, it is called Eve Online and it is total cesspool, or was last time I played it and I doubt there will ever be change on that.

EvE is totally different game. It is not about piloting starship. This is excel in space.
I do not want you as a target, why i would want to?
As i said before, there is a very few psychopatic people who attacking others without a reason. Nobody will attack you here, relax
Every player i met in this galaxy was OK. Three times i was interdicted... since half a year.
You can encounter a psychopatic player/killeron na group too. He can get to group to kill players who do not want play pvp. Why? because he PK.
If you playing on group or solo you will loosing that lovely Elite Community.
Of course it is your choice - if you want to play group - do it, happily there is much more people on Open.

 

[Sim Maker]

I only ever wanted a Solo game....I work with some of the most competative people on the planet on a day to day basis, I have no desire to go home in the evenings and comepte with kids and their daddy issues.....
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I've never even accidentally pressed "Open"...........
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Now, SOME "Pirates" on here, have got me interested in going open, they are enthusastic, respectful, and explain the "rules" and play by the rules.......if Open was filled with them, I think we would see more traders in open (with tweeks).........but, a read of this thread sees the "Internet Hard Man/Child/Beta" issue....where someone who has the best ship or weapons, thinks this carries over in to real life, so they are abusive and bullying in their tone "Only wimps play in Solo etc".........and of course, I will not be bullied in to doing what they want....so their bleating is counter productive to their wants............
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Ask me for a candy? I might give you one...........try and take my candy, and you will need a dentist...........

 

[Cody]

Ask me for a candy? I might give you one...........try and take my candy, and you will need a dentist...........

<chortles>

 

[Sim Maker]

<chortles>

It is true is'nt it...........the abusive tone of some of the "Hard Men" on here, is actually driving people away from Open...........
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The way forward, as always, is with encouragment and education.....not threats and bullying........I'd love to have a bash with Titus and a few others, I have come to understand where they are coming from.......then I go in to a thread about conflict zones and see multiple players say "I just treat it as a death match and if you dont like it, you are playing the wrong game" sort of rubbish...........why would I want to spend a single second of my time with such people........

 

[Kyokushin]

Of course it is true.
If you poking people you need to be aware there can be a reaction. Every PK should know this...
But if you are OK to others, why somebody would want to send you to an ER?
If you are ok to universe, universe will be ok for you

 

[Slopey]

Can everyone please debate this topic in a respectful manner, as it's getting a little heated.

If it gets further heated all that's going to happen is people start collecting infractions, and the topic gets shut down, so please think about your post before you post it and be nice to once another.

Think about tone before you post, and please respect that others may have different opinions than your own, but that doesn't make them wrong (or you right). Play nice please.

 

[xaisis]

If you playing on group or solo you will loosing that lovely Elite Community.
Of course it is your choice - if you want to play group - do it, happily there is much more people on Open.

I wonder when they wont respect that others may not share their idea of fun.

 

[Jockey79]

It is true is'nt it...........the abusive tone of some of the "Hard Men" on here, is actually driving people away from Open...........
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The way forward, as always, is with encouragment and education.....not threats and bullying........I'd love to have a bash with Titus and a few others, I have come to understand where they are coming from.......then I go in to a thread about conflict zones and see multiple players say "I just treat it as a death match and if you dont like it, you are playing the wrong game" sort of rubbish...........why would I want to spend a single second of my time with such people........

Exactly why my time in open was cut short - I'm not here to entertain or be someone elses content. These people are not paying me an hourly rate to keep them busy or amused.

I paid, to partake of a space trading / combat sim with my friends - we were going to try open as a group but after seeing the things on these boards, we stay in our own private group (plus I'm in Mobius for when my friends are not about)

Now if FD want to start paying people to play in open (UK standard rate, 37.5 hours / week - I'm unemployed right now, so I'm in ), I'd be very happy to be someone elses content in my work day - my private account though will stay away from open for now.

 

[Kyokushin]

Hmm, I do not think it is good to call a some people by a 'content'. However, your person make a galaxy more populate and attractive for others, and other players will make a galaxy more alive for You. This works rather in that way, for both sides.

 

[Dave1235]

It is true is'nt it...........the abusive tone of some of the "Hard Men" on here, is actually driving people away from Open...........

You hit the nail on the head

.....why would I want to spend a single second of my time with such people........

No, actually, I can't think of a single reason.

For me, maybe I will, but not for a while. It is the forums that made the decision to avoid open for me, not anything that happened in the game (I have 20* insurance at the moment, losing my ship is not that big a deal). I just made the decision that I did not want to spend my free time playing the game with some of the people I have seen post on here.

I play to have fun, not to be someone elses fun.

 

[elaverick]

Well the blockaders have won...

The blockaders have won, they have finally ground me down. After 3 days of heavy trading to BD+03 2338 I got interdicted 4 times in a row, each of which proved to be a very minor annoyance as I soon managed to jump out of each encounter.
The final straw was the encounter where it showed that I'd evaded the interdiction (full blue for a good 5 seconds), but then dropped me out saying FSD failure.
So after escaping that final interdiction, I did what any good and sensible trader would do... I started playing in Solo mode.

Blockades DO NOT WORK! You cannot blockade a game where there are instances and a solo mode. You are not playing EVE any more. If you miss the EVE experience that much, open up a copy of Excel in a second window and try playing that.

In the mean time I've just delivered another 200 tons of copper to the station and us traders are now that little bit closer to Tier 4 rewards.

 

[WiseDuck]

Wow, angry much?

Don't blame the player base for rubbish multiplayer features or the lack there of, blame FD for making open what it is.

 

[Derpster Frey]

Wow, angry much?

Don't blame the player base for rubbish multiplayer features or the lack there of, blame FD for making open what it is.

Or the ability to mode jump without penalty.
But we're only repeating what's already been posted numerous times.

Move along, nothing to see here.