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Because no ED developer has said that, and all ship cockpits are 3D holograms.
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Care to share reference?
Because no ED developer has said that, and all ship cockpits are 3D holograms.Just a quick note that this is not true - it's full range of motion, including roll
Yes, it can strafe as well...but that doesn't preclude rolling!And good call on the superbox, am considering the same myself!
Although the ship seems to have the strange tendency to auto-roll back to the "correct" orientation the devs have chosen for you once you release the controls.
I'm not very impressed by the graphics either, they're colourful I guess, just not very spacey. Stations are huge, but space itself feels small... odd feeling really.
I'm not very impressed by the graphics either, they're colourful I guess, just not very spacey. Stations are huge, but space itself feels small... odd feeling really.
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Michael Brookes
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Strongly suggest you read the player feedback on their own XR forums before purchasing the game - unless they have cleaned them up by now. Even forum mods are highly critical of the game ... when that happens, perhaps caution is the best approach.
Few twitch live streams happening as well. I would not put any faith in the promo vids. Eye candy and marketing slogans can only go so far.
Few twitch live streams happening as well. I would not put any faith in the promo vids. Eye candy and marketing slogans can only go so far.
Care to share reference?
What like this you mean...
Yes makes it look very realistic ...
'oh look dear, that trading ship just flew right through the station without a scratch.'
'How did you see that, I cant even rotate my view past this damn fixed cockpit view, nor do I have any external views without launching a damn drone which I still havn't figured out how to do! .... and stop calling me 'dear' Yisha! .. damn android ... eye blinking chip don't even work'
What like this you mean...
hmmm , wasnt that was before rift was suported by ED? so it is statements about intent not the final version of X
The rift bit yes, but it was a follow on comment from this:
The point being people from within Elite have given praise to the things they believe X did well and which are similar to the path Elite is going, including cockpit design, structurally.
Pecisk i was referring to the build, not the HUD.
Why the cockpit takes 1/3 of the screen? It's just an eye candy for most part. Is it for the purpose of mitigating frame rate issues that would be even more glaring if there cockpit would take less of screen estate (i.e. the engine doesn't have to draw pixels that are out of view).
Can we please have more functional cockpit in ED? Please?!
Also, the requirements for activating jumpdrive or FSD are much lower than being a "hardcore Elite" gamer.
Can we please have more functional cockpit in ED? Please?!
Also, the highways are fun? WHAT?! I understand you want to be ALWAYS entertained, you can't allow yourself for a minute of pause and just enjoy the scenery. This system is repetitive, dull, and doesn't add anything to immersion. It's a gimmick, similar to "walk in station"
Also, the requirements for activating jumpdrive or FSD are much lower than being a "hardcore Elite" gamer.
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posted on the 8/8/2013 , before the relese. i reiterate
having now read the other thread (ty for the point out) i cant help wonder how accurate those statements still are(and possibly how misleading they were intended to be by this time
). yes the two games have several simerlarities of vision , but lets be frank X hasnt got Mr B , the word elite or even jumpers Ok, you were talking about that Mike's comment
If you have read mostly people here don't complain about cockpit, but about other aspects of the XR and how untested and buggy everything in whole package feels. I know lot of classic X fans does indeed cry foul about cockpit's interface. For me cockpit looks "okeish", don't see it as big problem, however it should have done better with more testing and careful tweaking. I guess problem with XR is that you should also your trade management trough that interface, which in case can be huge problem, it could be done better. I think XR alpha test was badly done and that shows. Game play concepts aren't fully fleshed out. But I disagree with people who say that they are plainly wrong.
Does ED and XR share similar interface ideology for cockpit's GUI? I fully agree with Mike - yes, it does, but it will look like part of ship's interface (and I personally don't care that it looks like console-ation, as long keyboard/mouse works very well within it's setting). XR biggest problem is that it doesn't. They could easily deal with this with overlay on screen. They should have done alpha testing or even design/prototype testing to understand what works and what doesn't. It feels clunky, and slow - to call fleet's ship to you you need to find right combination of numbers and then side menu appears. There are always people who wants you to keep doing old thing, of course, but if you do something new, be sure to deliver, otherwise you will get both newcomers and old ones angry.
So while it remains to be seen will ED concept of interface be success, and we will get to test it a lot during alpha and beta, I really like what I have seen and heard so far.
I am not so sure about "one ship argument" being good or bad. It is very strange game play for me, but I wouldn't deride any game using this concept. I kinda agree with Mike it could be interesting game play done right. Just Elite isn't such game, therefore we have tons of ship to fly. Still, I will enjoy Sidewinder, as I will enjoy any other ship I will upgrade to. I think lot of people rush too much to "biggest and baddest" space games. There's no "win" scenario after all.
If I had to develop XR I would personally went for stationary mode, having myself a huge ship, in which I have my team, my HQ, I would fly around, issuing commands for my fleet, etc. I think biggest problem for XR that it wants to be both things, but developer doesn't have resources to pull it off. Why keeping this Elite type of sim flying in there? It's quite clear that most of X series has nothing much to do with it.
About good looks - that was written 4 months ago, which is lot of time for game development. During this time we have seen video, we have seen planets, we have seen coming everything together. This gave me belief that ED will look much better *as whole package* in the end.
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What's your opinion of cockpit you see in battle ship video?
They look rather weak tbh both graphically and in implementation. Weakest part of the game as far as I have seen it.
I don't complain about the cockpit because I know FD is not going to change their minds about it, but I still don't like it. I'd rather there was a way to switch it off and have a HUD only like in Evochron: Mercenary.
I was never a fan of 3D cockpits, and X:R has not made me a convert in that matter.
I was never a fan of 3D cockpits, and X:R has not made me a convert in that matter.
Kind of an ironic thing to say to the person who is openly admitting to having enjoyed the scenery in spite of the others, isn't it?
But that wasn't at all what I was talking about I don't care about the minigame. The thing that many anti-highway people fail to understand is the importance of the structure of space. Unstructured space is boring. Because it's unstructured.Consider, for example, a station that is near the entrance to a highway, vs. a station that is far away from any entrance. These two stations are vastly different in how they are perceived by a pilot, how they operate, and so forth. Take out all structure to travel and you also rip out all the extra meaning granted by this structure.
On a different note, I have to agree that there were an immense number of bad design decisions related to the player ship. The one-ship concept bled into too many areas of the design and...it definitely hurt the game. Still, I can live with it
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Kind of an ironic thing to say to the person who is openly admitting to having enjoyed the scenery in spite of the others, isn't it?
Consider, for example, a station that is near the entrance to a highway, vs. a station that is far away from any entrance. These two stations are vastly different in how they are perceived by a pilot, how they operate, and so forth. Take out all structure to travel and you also rip out all the extra meaning granted by this structure.
So, the best solution to structure a travel is high way? Is this most best ever immersive idea they could come up with?
Jumpgates are fine. FSD a-la EVE intra system travel is fine too. Highways should have been third choice. A not they way it's done currently: fake-busy-out-of-nowhere-going-any-where-with-mini-game-for-no-reason.
Real space is unstructured, immensely vast and has no "entrances".
Some of us actually like space.
Egosoft took an assumption that console generation must be constantly entertained with whatever gimmicks. Hence, highways.
I bought this off Steam and am enjoying it. (Much) easier to play than previous 'X' games. All actions in the game seem to be useable with the X box controller, except for 'jumping' in stations - I need to press the space bar on the keyboard. Of course there's only one ship you directly control with your co-pilot. I'm not sure how large the 'sandbox universe' is; It's far smaller than ED. Solar systems are called Sectors. Sectors are broken up into numerous Zones. The graphics are stunning and detailed. I'm sure ED's interface will be easier to control. But even with nested menu's on the X box controller, its not awkward for me. Of course its only single player. There's one main Campaign and/or free play. This is a good game for me until Elite Dangerous. Also any confusions in the Campaign are immediately cleared by running the "You Tube" part 1, part 2, part 3, videos. If you do this, know that any 'part' you run could be a game breaker.