None greater/better than Mandela
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General / Off-Topic Nelson Mandela
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None greater/better than Mandela
Hear, hear. I think this is entirely appropriate.
It has been cited "Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi" at least as great as Mandela
Gandhi developed a method of non-violent civil disobedience in South Africa, organizing the struggle of the Indian community for its civil rights. On his return to India, Gandhi encouraged farmers and poor workers protest against taxes deemed too high and widespread discrimination and carried on the national scene the fight against colonial laws created by ... ---- The great men have to destinies with to similar values
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Totally Agree with this, he was a bright star in life
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Extreme irritation swept over me as I started to listen to this. All I heard was very long pauses, a few words, long pauses.
I cannot listen to that ****e. If you have, for crying out softly, a talkradio recording and you cannot organize your thoughts so that there is actually something to listen to without 20 second pauses, then you are not supposed to do it.
I am sitting there, hurry the **** up idiot, if you have something to say. And I am like, ****in' useless, cancel, bye moron!
This is one of the great many problems of our time. Ultra-relativism. That is why, in my post, I did not mention any aspect, characteristic or accomplishment of his life because there would always be someone who disagreed with any point I would make.
Somehow it is nearly impossible to admire anyone. But these are people, not gods. They have their human frailties, and they smell too, very badly when going to the loo. They make mistakes, get angry and have skewed ideas about the world.
That means we can name no single person in all of history who is perfect. But like all great people, they tried to do their best. And they find themselves centrepoints of history, against their own desire or will and sometimes swept up to it by others who see in them greatness.
I believe any great man sits at home by himself often wonder what is going on, why they picked him to be their leader and yet with the weight of responsibility carry on with it because in the end some good may come of it.
Let's not relativate everything into the mud. This is no time to come to terms with the fact he was merely a man.
Especially when there is a tier for pledging money associated with this game where ego's can buy their own greatness to have a world or station named after them.
I'm not keen on the idea of naming star systems after people, I think a station in a populated system would be better. That way it fits in with the stations already orbiting Earth in frontier, why would people 1000 years into the future rate Nelson Mandela higher that Abraham Lincoln?
Plus if you do that, you have to think of a load of future statesmen to honour in the same way. Elite's history didn't stop at 2013.
A major station would be a fitting tribute though.
Plus if you do that, you have to think of a load of future statesmen to honour in the same way. Elite's history didn't stop at 2013.
A major station would be a fitting tribute though.
The most forgiving person I can think of.
I grew up on a farm not far from his prison and was born on the other side of the prison.
When I was very young I remmember a school sports day being held just outside the prison itself..
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Fr...River+DC,+Western+Cape,+South+Africa&t=h&z=18
I had no idea he was being held there at the time.
I grew up on a farm not far from his prison and was born on the other side of the prison.
When I was very young I remmember a school sports day being held just outside the prison itself..
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Fr...River+DC,+Western+Cape,+South+Africa&t=h&z=18
I had no idea he was being held there at the time.
I may be out on a limb, here, but I remain very disappointed at what he didn't do. He was hailed as a statesman all over the world, and was sitting on top of the moral high ground (despite his past). He was in a position to use that status and influence to help reform all of Africa, not just South Africa. Yet he simply ignored Mugabe and similar (though perhaps not as bad) despots elsewhere. He could have improved the lot of many more Africans, but chose not to.
So whilst I do applaud what he did (and I spent a fair amount of time out in South Africa in the 1990s), I cannot be as gushing in my praise as most of the rest of the world seems to be. A great man, but not as great as he could have been.
So whilst I do applaud what he did (and I spent a fair amount of time out in South Africa in the 1990s), I cannot be as gushing in my praise as most of the rest of the world seems to be. A great man, but not as great as he could have been.
What exactly did you expect him to do? I don't think it was a matter of "he chose not to" - he spent his entire life struggling for the freedom of all South Africans, and made a positive difference to millions. In one 95 year lifetime (with 27 years taken away from him) that was quite a feat.
Whilst I'm sure there will be religious voices to turn him into a saint in future years, he wasn't Jesus, he couldn't change everything.
I doubt very much he was in favour of Mugabe and others, but despite his "statesman" position it was well beyond his remit to change that - without turning the whole continent towards all-out war.
You expect every political leader to change whole continents? South Africa had quite enough problems of its own.
If we judged every man and woman by their failed potential then we would all be damned.
Or equally the other way around. I imagine there are just as many Mandela statues around the world than Abe Lincoln ones. It's a battle of the plinths.
What about a 'Lou Reed' star system?
There are so many people to honour. If it's too much to mention Lou Reed by name then could we at least have a "Satellite of Love" out there somewhere in the Elite Galaxy?
Procedural generation will handle that part I think.
Yeah, by 3200 Abe and Mandela are both small fry compared to some fella called Schmidt.
Don't know what he did, but it must have been impressive!
