Is it wrong to prey on the weak??

[NeilUK02]

In character bullying is a allowed playstyle in ED. Bullying in the Real World is not.

True but he didn't ask if it was allowed, he asked if it was wrong. People just want him to tell us if he feels it is an achievement to beat people who are just learning. His OP suggests he gets a kick out of it, the mindset is a mindset whether it's in game or real life. Just my opinion and that of others it seems

 

[npowell28]

True but he didn't ask if it was allowed, he asked if it was wrong. People just want him to tell us if he feels it is an achievement to beat people who are just learning. His OP suggests he gets a kick out of it, the mindset is a mindset whether it's in game or real life. Just my opinion and that of others it seems

Yes it was a kick but don't forget i'm in a sidewinder with pulse lasers and playing as mostly harmless. I took out players that were in the same kit but harmless. Hardly overpowering them.

If i was in an anaconda with giant guns against sidies and eagles i'd agree with those who think i am wrong. Yes i had a little advantage but its hardly massive.

 

[FuzzySpider]

Ganker, troll. Two new terms i've learnt about today. Well i'm a ganker then for shooting a newer player down and a troll for asking a simple question. I can live with that. The good i do in real life more than makes up for it.

You're also the starter of an actually interesting thread around here. A thread in which the participants have actually properly debated the rights and wrongs of attacking other human players in game. I've not seen this done before with as much depth as there is in this thread.

 

[khaitom]

Over the last 2 days i have had my first 3 human kills on ED. They were all taken at Riedquat hanging around the nav beacon and were all suprise attacks on newer players. Am i wrong for attacking innocent players and taking their scalps or does anyone else find it actually exhilerating like i do?? I really hope someone else enjoys it, i've been feeling everso guilty.

Wrong by the rules of the game? Yes, it's a crime.
Wrong morally? No it's a game.
Wrong for The future of open play? Yes, you drive many players into solo/group.

So, wrong? Probably.
Crap? Yes.

Think, what would Joe Frazier do? Would he accept a fight from a worthy foe and defeat Muhammad Ali, or would he only agree to fight unprepared, lighter, weaker, less experienced opponents for a cheap victory?

 

[Wicz]

There was a lad at my primary school who used to pick on the smaller kids. He seemed to get a real kick out of it, and clearly thought he was special.

One day he picked on a new lad, who promptly punched him in the face and knocked three of his teeth out.

He didn't pick on anybody after that.

Just saying.

 

[NeilUK02]

Yes it was a kick but don't forget i'm in a sidewinder with pulse lasers and playing as mostly harmless. I took out players that were in the same kit but harmless. Hardly overpowering them.

If i was in an anaconda with giant guns against sidies and eagles i'd agree with those who think i am wrong. Yes i had a little advantage but its hardly massive.

Your posts now are pretty much proving the first allegations people made, your first post suggested you think it might be wrong and that you feel guilty about it. You "seemed" to want our opinions, now you are arguing forcibly that you are within your right. Which would suggest your first post was indeed just to get attention and possibly more kicks from what you are doing

 

[GluttonyFang]

Definitely not wrong. Strong always prey on the weak, as Machiavelli spoke once that the strong do what they can and the weak suffers what they must. Since we live in a excuse-making/glorifying society that wants to justify everything it does to be righteous, you may want to stay low or pretend to have virtue, it will be better for you.

But other than that, kill, kill them all as long as you desire so and can escape punishment, it's the nature of humans after all.

 

[smsKONG]

To the op - whatever floats your boat. Do what you want in game, but be under no illusions that what you are doing is in anything other than picking on the weak - so that would make you a....

However coming on here to brag about your 'achievements' makes you look about 10years old in emotional terms. Oh, and don't tell me you were just asking a simple honest question; because it's blatantly obvious you weren't - despite your polite butter wouldn't melt RL persona.

Hope that answers your question.

(Btw would it be ok to slap around those people you 'care' for in your RL job - just because the boss doesn't seem to mind?
Do you get kicks out of beating the old and infirm who are left in your care??)

 

[Strychnine]

I only go after Human players if they're wanted. If not I'm more of a live and let live type of player.

 

[Ghostickles]

'Don't think I wont hit an old man in public' - Z. Galifianakis

 

[Danube]

If a player chooses "Open" they sign on for the fact that anything goes. They're inevitably going to meet someone who likes to blow other players up, at which point the victims come here to loudly wail and lament. It gets real old, real fast, hearing all the complaints.

 

[khaitom]

Definitely not wrong. Strong always prey on the weak, as Machiavelli spoke once that the strong do what they can and the weak suffers what they must. Since we live in a excuse-making/glorifying society that wants to justify everything it does to be righteous, you may want to stay low or pretend to have virtue, it will be better for you.

But other than that, kill, kill them all as long as you desire so and can escape punishment, it's the nature of humans after all.

Fortunately it's only the nature of a few humans. Loan sharks, muggers, bankers, etc.

 

[GMac]

There you go! You just made my point. You act the way you do in-game because you know that it'd be wrong "in reality." Which means that you do what you know is wrong, because you can, in-game, since you're free of the constraints of reality. Either you know it's wrong, or you don't. The rest is just noise.

Well said, and i agree with you.
...though this is depressing as it basically implies that dissocial and narcisstic peraonality disorders are much more common that we thought, but encouraging that they must be controlled to a greater degree in real life by constraining or punitive legislation.
So basically we have moral devolution.

These threads are toxic. Social behaviours are heavily influenced by social proofs and in the absence of constant contact with other players in game, there threads set expectation for all the good little internet ghouls that they are 'normal' and its okay.
You're not normal if you enjoy causing pain/frustration or irritation to another person.

Forget that the mechanic doesn't punish you, its sadistic to get your rocks off from the misfortune of a stranger occurring at your hands.

 

[khaitom]

If a player chooses "Open" they sign on for the fact that anything goes. They're inevitably going to meet someone who likes to blow other players up, at which point the victims come here to loudly wail and lament. It gets real old, real fast, hearing all the complaints.

Yep, the pathetic consequences of crime in ED are making the game a joke. The fact there are so many decent, respectable players in open shows that there is hope for humanity.

 

[Judz]

Interesting that is, there was a lad that started at our high school, A quiet Black fella he was, on the first day the school hard boys from the 5th year got him on his first break. the conversation went
"give us ya crisps (racist slang for a black person to be inserted here at your own free will)"
"please, I don't want any trouble, its my first day"
"give us ya crisps now"
"please....leave me alone, I want no trouble"
"give em or ya getting it"

Well they went for it and got it, he layed the pair of em out and from that moment on he was the hardest, but never the bully. Wesley Hubson was his name

 

[Herik]

There was a lad at my primary school that used to pick on the smaller kids. He seemed to get a real kick out of it, and clearly thought he was special.

One day he picked on a new lad, who promptly punched him in the face and knocked three of his teeth out.

He didn't pick on anybody after that.

Just saying.

Yeah, in this game and perhaps Eve, it would take perhaps 10 t0 15 consecutive retribution kills to change a gankers behavior. At least until he or she became more capable.

 

[GluttonyFang]

Fortunately it's only the nature of a few humans. Loan sharks, muggers, bankers, etc.

Hah, I won't bother talking about human nature with you unless you have at least read Machiavelli, Rousseau, Aristotle, Socrates, Tocqueville, Madison, Bentham, Schumpeter, Dahl, Whitman, Emerson, or someone that gives you a good account of human nature.

Not saying that your opinion is wrong, you can think however you want, but without some supporting statements I find it rather hollow.

 

[NeilUK02]

The way people behave in a game , as Surley Badger stated, is because they think they can get away with it, it's also why people on Twitter feel they can send hate messages and worse to celebrities and other people. Because they THINK they can get away with it. As Twitter has proven time and time again people can't actually get away with it on there, but in this game you can. In real life a bully can be recognised , just as on Twitter your IP can be traced. In this game however you feel untouchable because you feel it is within the rules of the game. Which it is to be fair to you. But it ISN'T within the rules of good conscience, at least not to me. I still have a harmless rating in the game because I have chosen to explore and trade rather than combat so far. I have a spare million or so, I have a mind to buy myself a Sidewinder for 32k and arm it to the teeth and head to Eravate or LHS 3447, greifers would see me as an easy target. A new Steam player maybe, SO tempting ....

But then of course I'd be no better than the greifers , or the OP here, so I'll stick to my normal game

 

[FuzzySpider]

There was a lad at my primary school that used to pick on the smaller kids. He seemed to get a real kick out of it, and clearly thought he was special.

One day he picked on a new lad, who promptly punched him in the face and knocked three of his teeth out.

He didn't pick on anybody after that.

Just saying.

That's an interesting point. And it sparks my curiousity. You say the bully didn't pick on anybody after he got treated in kind by a tougher kid. But let's say that he didn't stop picking on others. Let's suppose he continued to pick on others, took another few beatings, and accepted them as a risk and a consequence of picking on other kids. Would that in any way change the morals of what he was doing?

So in this instance if the Op continues to turn noobie pilots into space dust that might make him less culpable of villainy than if he himself gets ganked, changes his mind about his path in the game, and starts to play "cleanly".

I think in the context of the game universe not a lot of inference can be drawn from how most people play the game. Pirates playing in game aren't necessarily immoral out of the game (just as most of you Darth Revans aren't really ready to dominate the universe). This is to a large extent a roleplaying game, and a lot of people who roleplay will try to roleplay a character that they themselves would never dream of being, because that character is so alien to their personality.

 

[Krieger]

Over the last 2 days i have had my first 3 human kills on ED. They were all taken at Riedquat hanging around the nav beacon and were all suprise attacks on newer players. Am i wrong for attacking innocent players and taking their scalps or does anyone else find it actually exhilerating like i do?? I really hope someone else enjoys it, i've been feeling everso guilty.

Such unprovoked "killing" of human players should be restricted to Confict Zones. Conflict Zones are deathmatch arenas and everybody knows that (or should know that). In the rest of the ED Galaxy the same social rules and conventions apply as in real life. You are still dealing with real people not computer-generated characters (except for NPCs obviously). So you should behave the same as if you met those people in real life. That means if you want to roleplay as a murderous psychopath who likes clubbing the weak to death you'd first have to convince the community (and Frontier) that this is an acceptable role to play in ED. This will not be easy as you can see from the controversy surrounding roleplaying as a pirate in ED. If you go ahead anyway that will have consequences just as in real life. Players will report you and if you keep doing it Frontier will suspend your account in the end.