The Honorable Reverand Grand Duchess Chief Petty Officer Commander Dame purplepomegranite Esquire
Sex, Gender, and (Imperial) Titles
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I did once mention about titles on another thread but there wasn't much interest at the time.
But both of those are divisible, and the resulting parts are different. I think you're saying people are creating an artificial differentiation and then wanting the resulting parts of that division to be treated in the same way, but I don't agree it's an artificial differentiation.
True. And the fact that an issue is important to someone does not mean it is actually important generally speaking. Hence the "manufactured outrage".
The OP has a valid claim.
There are a lot of valid claims being made in this forum, about the game. Almost by the hour, it seems to me. Not sure how I would prioritize that one, but fortunately, that's not up to me.
Anyways, you have my support here. Plus I mean come on, it's probably the dream/ambition of 80% of little girls, to be (called) a princess someday. Well, besides my little sister, she wanted to become a knight. But that's probably because all the princesses we got fed by TV looked dumb and not worthy of self-identification, by that time. Or at least, well, in her eyes anyway.
There are a lot of valid claims being made in this forum, about the game. Almost by the hour, it seems to me. Not sure how I would prioritize that one, but fortunately, that's not up to me.
Anyways, you have my support here. Plus I mean come on, it's probably the dream/ambition of 80% of little girls, to be (called) a princess someday. Well, besides my little sister, she wanted to become a knight. But that's probably because all the princesses we got fed by TV looked dumb and not worthy of self-identification, by that time. Or at least, well, in her eyes anyway.
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Now you're just being silly.
I've heard worse...
"Daenerys of the House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, Queen of Meereen, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Breaker of Chains, Mother of Dragons"
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So, let me get this right - your defence of bad behaviour is, it's always been that way so it's ok.
Riiiiight.
FYI, it's not without historical precedent.
Anne Boleyn insisted Henry VIII give her the title of "Lord Pembroke" (not Lady/Duchess/Baroness whatever, but LORD) and he did.
In modern times, the term "Actress" has been dropped from common use - (something to do with it sounding sexist?) but actresses no longer exist, now it's female actors. Perhaps in the 3300's gender specific titles have been dropped also?
Anne Boleyn insisted Henry VIII give her the title of "Lord Pembroke" (not Lady/Duchess/Baroness whatever, but LORD) and he did.
In modern times, the term "Actress" has been dropped from common use - (something to do with it sounding sexist?) but actresses no longer exist, now it's female actors. Perhaps in the 3300's gender specific titles have been dropped also?
Now you're just being silly.
In the Honor Harrington book series by David Weber, the main protagonist (Honor Harrington) has the following titles (as of the latest book):
Admiral of the Fleet and Captain HMS Unconquered Lady Dame Honor Stephanie Alexander-Harrington, Steadholder Harrington, Duchess Harrington, Countess White Haven.
These titles are based on her status in two different societies and her rank in both of their militaries. In the book it is stated that each of these titles are separate and represented by legal entities that just happen to share the same body. I'm very happy that I don't have to deal with the legal mess that that would entail should the entities that have bestowed the titles on her ever enter into a war against each other.
Dear Sir,
I wish to complain in the strongest possible terms about the song which had just broadcast about the lumberjack who wears women's clothes. Many of my best friends are lumberjacks and only a few of them are transvestites. Yours faithfully, Brigadier Sir Charles Arthur Strong (Ms.). P.S. I have never kissed the editor of the Radio Times.
I wish to complain in the strongest possible terms about the song which had just broadcast about the lumberjack who wears women's clothes. Many of my best friends are lumberjacks and only a few of them are transvestites. Yours faithfully, Brigadier Sir Charles Arthur Strong (Ms.). P.S. I have never kissed the editor of the Radio Times.
Best comment ever!
AND NOW! For something completely different...
The Larch. THE Larch.
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digitalscream
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So, let me get this right - your defence of bad behaviour is, it's always been that way so it's ok.
Riiiiight.
No - it's that it's not bad behaviour, it's that it's a normal part of being competitive. Good-natured banter and ribbing, which always gets more intense the more involved the players are. It's perfectly normal, healthy (yes, really - read some psych books on the subject if you need to) and the only people who get butthurt by it tend to be people who've made "being offended" part of their raison d'etre.
I think you'll find that military military ranks are fairly genderless and having served my time never met a female officer who wanted to be called Majoress or Coloneless, so I'm happy that CMDR is a genderless rank.
But I do support the call for a feminine equivalent to some of the Noble ranks, Duke = Duchess, Baron = Baroness, however several female Noble ranks are just 'Lady' or worse, known as 'The Lady [Insert name here]'.
But I do support the call for a feminine equivalent to some of the Noble ranks, Duke = Duchess, Baron = Baroness, however several female Noble ranks are just 'Lady' or worse, known as 'The Lady [Insert name here]'.
If you want to debate another point, please start a thread - and I'll continue, but right now - you are trolling in someone elses thread (not cool).
You've not made a single on topic reply here to the op or any of the points the op and respondents made regarding in game gender and player depiction of gender plus rank structure, apart from trying to derail it in to another topic.
If you want to talk about non respectful behaviour in video games, I'm all in for that chat, I look forward to seeing your thread and taking part.
In the interim. My opinion stands, while the OP is right regarding gender I still think the Devs currently have "better" things to worry about than a rank system that only has the effect of if you can buy 1 ship yet or not and serves no other purpose.
digitalscream
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Then I suggest that you re-read my posts. To help you, I'll summarise:
My first was to suggest further thought on the accuracy of the in-game position on gender relating to the Imperial ranks (which is a direct response to the OP).
The ones which led here were because somebody else brought up that female-gendered slurs shouldn't be allowed (and suggesting that they should be stopped to make girls more likely to play the game...hence the comment about positive discrimination), to which I responded that they're no worse than male-gendered slurs, and that it's not really a problem in the first place because it's human nature and healthy.
That's all on-topic, and if there's any derailment or trolling then it ain't from me because I was directly responding to other people's comments.
This is a good point, and I agree with the OP. Gendered titles should be at the player's choice.
I didn't notice it myself - even seeing my rank move to "Lord" didn't give me any mental dissonance, it was more just "ooh, one more step along the road I go..."
I didn't notice it myself - even seeing my rank move to "Lord" didn't give me any mental dissonance, it was more just "ooh, one more step along the road I go..."
I'm honestly a little surprised that people would want gender-differentiated titles in this day and age. What's the harm in a female Baron, Count, Earl, Duke, and Emperor? Just because some female equivalents exist now doesn't mean they have to be used for all time? We've handily ditched "stewardess" and similar words from the vocabulary. No one is a manageress. Men are nurses and secretaries.
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