I feel like I'm being punished - Insurance game mechanic flaws

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So, if I die without insurance I cant just use one of my other ships? What's the point in having multiple ships then? Not that I fly without insurance but seems pointless in having a back up ships or another ship to fly. I say this as ive always thought that if it all goes wrong while trading at least I could fall back into my cobra to start again.

Seems like a stupid way of doing things.
 
So, if I die without insurance I cant just use one of my other ships? What's the point in having multiple ships then? Not that I fly without insurance but seems pointless in having a back up ships or another ship to fly. I say this as ive always thought that if it all goes wrong while trading at least I could fall back into my cobra to start again.

Seems like a stupid way of doing things.
Of course you can use your other ships, you'll just have to use the free sidewinder to their location first. The insurance screen, as far as I remember, gives you 2 options, rebuy the destroyed ship, or get into the freebie sidewinder.
 
So, if I die without insurance I cant just use one of my other ships? What's the point in having multiple ships then? Not that I fly without insurance but seems pointless in having a back up ships or another ship to fly. I say this as ive always thought that if it all goes wrong while trading at least I could fall back into my cobra to start again.

Seems like a stupid way of doing things.

You have just misunderstood the whole insurance mechanic... Yes it would be very stupid if you lost all your ships, that's not how the game works, your docked ships are fine. You only lose the ship you are currently flying, so it's all pretty simple. Don't fly what you can't afford
 
And how are you going to pay for ED, then?

WoW may have those lazy kids, but Blizzard isn't hurting for cash (nor nickel and diming it's players to pay the light bill, too).

See?

The trade off for this "elite" game is players have to pay a la carte for everything. Something like Godaddy and it's offerings (annoying as hell). And content is v-e-r-y slow in coming out despite all those nickels and dimes.

Either a game has the rugrats and have content coming out regularly (WoW we know a patch will be coming out in usually 3-4 month cycles, and expansions every 2 years); or a game has 200,000 players total and space really becomes a lonely place, and maybe there will be a content patch in 6 months. To me that isn't "elite" that's existing on crumbs and it feels it. When those MMO wars were going on (2010-2013) the major complaint with WoW returnees was the unpolished nature of the new games. Once you have that goodness you look at games with the expectation it'll be equal or maybe better than WoW. If it isn't, it's "fail". That's why WoW players have that "meh" attitude with other games. Yes, we're spoiled (I readily admit it), but it's also good because you know what is possible because another game did it. Back in 2008 I kept asking SOE can we have a method to group up easier (3hr waits for groups is taxing), all I got were excuses and resistance from the status quo (see the same pattern here with ED about Supercruise???). I went to play WoW a year later, and within 4 months of playing, WoW's LFG was introduced and MMOs have never been the same again. One publisher said no and the community flat out didn't want it; the other publisher said yes and the community is mixed but still uses LFG (and now LFR). SOE could've had it first.

Games need those Xboxers it pays the bills.

Elite Dangerous has a pretty modest development budget, and minimal operation costs. It doesn't have to bring in millions of sales just to break even.

Catering to a smaller market and being financial successful aren’t mutual exclusive.
 
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its so simple it makes you wonder about the intelligence of these whiners i have all my ships i never sold one so i could afford to buy another its a simple logical fallback system thats beyond some people
 
Elite Dangerous has a pretty modest development budget, and minimal operation costs. It doesn't have to bring in millions of sales just to break even.

Catering to a smaller market and being financial successful aren’t mutual exclusive.

Is that how folks rationalize the situation? Slow updates; nickel and diming; and the game is here but is missing half the content (not even a radio in the cockpit, are you kidding me???).

Why isn't this game funded by a subscription? It's not like people with $400 HOTAS setups are "welfare queens" begging for "welfare epics", you know?

It's a cash grab game.

It's not even Guild Wars 2 with B2P. It's modeled under F2P ideals but really P2P in scope.

"Buy so we can afford our servers"

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$60 that's Blizzard's rates which now includes previous expansions in the price. What do we see here though? $60 for this game, and the next expansion coming up, it'll also cost you, too.

So essentially, it's a $120 pure money grab game (because half the content wasn't even released) and the people are pleading, "please pay for the servers" on top of it.

There's greed, and there's greed that is detrimental to a product's very development (especially with a EULA like that -- the commercial sites wouldn't touch that agreement [especially the lifetime copyright contract. Even EA doesn't bite that much off, and they're the DLC elephant of them all]).

Rocky start is an understatement. ^-^
 
Is that how folks rationalize the situation? Slow updates; nickel and diming; and the game is here but is missing half the content (not even a radio in the cockpit, are you kidding me???).

Why isn't this game funded by a subscription? It's not like people with $400 HOTAS setups are "welfare queens" begging for "welfare epics", you know?

It's a cash grab game.

It's not even Guild Wars 2 with B2P. It's modeled under F2P ideals but really P2P in scope.

"Buy so we can afford our servers"

.

$60 that's Blizzard's rates which now includes previous expansions in the price. What do we see here though? $60 for this game, and the next expansion coming up, it'll also cost you, too.

So essentially, it's a $120 pure money grab game (because half the content wasn't even released) and the people are pleading, "please pay for the servers" on top of it.

There's greed, and there's greed that is detrimental to a product's very development (especially with a EULA like that -- the commercial sites wouldn't touch that agreement [especially the lifetime copyright contract. Even EA doesn't bite that much off, and they're the DLC elephant of them all]).

Rocky start is an understatement. ^-^

Frontier is a business, and will charge what the market will bare, as all business will. ED has already been commercially successful, and has likely already recouped it's development costs. And this is at only 500 thousand copies sold with a estimated 20 million GBP budget.

Even your scared cow, WoW was full price, plus subscription when it was released with a fraction of the content it has now, it was also buggy and incomplete, cost at least $63 million and 4 and a half years to develop.

It doesn't matter if this game isn't as populist as WoW, or as in-depth as EVE, or apes any other game you care to mention. It only matter the Elite Dangerous is successful in it's own right, for what it is, released completed or not.

All it needs to do is make a profit for Frontier Developments and keep it's shareholder happy. David Braben is the majority shareholder in Frontier Development. He is still the company, and he seems pretty happy.
 
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Frontier is a business, and will charge what the market will bare, as all business will. ED has already been commercially successful, and has likely already recouped it's development costs. And this is at only 500 thousand copies sold with a estimated 20 million GBP budget.

The market is being sold promises FD can't seem to keep. I flat out tell you, this game has a feel of a scam to it. It's buy, buy, buy but limit what content is even sold.

And that EULA, wow. EA couldn't out do that one (I played BF2142 and explicitly remember the ad pushback then, as EA didn't tell anyone as the notice was INSIDE the game box)!

That EULA stinks. Giving up your copyrights in this age of streamers and partnerships for revenue...wow.

Like to see how Totalbiscuit works with that EULA (and all the YouTube game promoters).
 
The market is being sold promises FD can't seem to keep. I flat out tell you, this game has a feel of a scam to it. It's buy, buy, buy but limit what content is even sold.

And that EULA, wow. EA couldn't out do that one (I played BF2142 and explicitly remember the ad pushback then, as EA didn't tell anyone as the notice was INSIDE the game box)!

That EULA stinks. Giving up your copyrights in this age of streamers and partnerships for revenue...wow.

Like to see how Totalbiscuit works with that EULA (and all the YouTube game promoters).

Okay, what clauses in the EULA are you actaully refering too? And who's copyrights are they giving up, because I have no idea what you are refering too.
https://store.elitedangerous.com/ed-eula/
 
Back to topic...
The insurance is fine. It covers enough and if someone wants to fly a really expensive ship, they know that it will cost them some money if they crash it.
Sure they could do it better, give you 24h to pay for the insurance, let you sell other ships or parts, ask friends for money etc. But the point is - everyone knows how much does it cost, so why would you lift off without enough money?
 
Is that how folks rationalize the situation? Slow updates; nickel and diming; and the game is here but is missing half the content (not even a radio in the cockpit, are you kidding me???).

Why isn't this game funded by a subscription? It's not like people with $400 HOTAS setups are "welfare queens" begging for "welfare epics", you know?

It's a cash grab game.

It's not even Guild Wars 2 with B2P. It's modeled under F2P ideals but really P2P in scope.

"Buy so we can afford our servers"

.

$60 that's Blizzard's rates which now includes previous expansions in the price. What do we see here though? $60 for this game, and the next expansion coming up, it'll also cost you, too.

So essentially, it's a $120 pure money grab game (because half the content wasn't even released) and the people are pleading, "please pay for the servers" on top of it.

There's greed, and there's greed that is detrimental to a product's very development (especially with a EULA like that -- the commercial sites wouldn't touch that agreement [especially the lifetime copyright contract. Even EA doesn't bite that much off, and they're the DLC elephant of them all]).

Rocky start is an understatement. ^-^

So instead of a flat one-off fee, Frontier should stop being greedy and start charging a subscription as well? Did your recent ship loss make you so angry you've got confused?

Slow updates? Lifetime copyright contract? The odd reference to "welfare queens"? The inference that all ED players are rich HOTAS owners?

Your posts have added up to a very strange collection of disjointed assumptions and unfounded accusations that you've chosen, for some reason, to dump in a thread about in-game ship insurance. Its all rather confusing.

Edit: Does anyone remember anything on kickstarter or in the DDF about being promised a "radio in the cockpit"?

Edit: Back on topic. I think they should do away with the loans. Big read warning when you first start the game telling you not to risk flying without the rebuy in anything bigger than the free sidewinder.
 
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So instead of a flat one-off fee, Frontier should stop being greedy and start charging a subscription as well? Did your recent ship loss make you so angry you've got confused?

Buying the box + subscription is how it's been down since 1998. Nothing new. At least you won't get the "Buy to keep the servers running" rhetoric with buying a $60 game, too!

Did you realize I am not the OP, even? -_-
 
I believe it was mentioned the insurance costs, depending on faction rank, will limit the harshness of the insurance costs. We will see in update 1.3 ::fingers crossed::
 
The market is being sold promises FD can't seem to keep. I flat out tell you, this game has a feel of a scam to it. It's buy, buy, buy but limit what content is even sold.

And that EULA, wow. EA couldn't out do that one (I played BF2142 and explicitly remember the ad pushback then, as EA didn't tell anyone as the notice was INSIDE the game box)!

That EULA stinks. Giving up your copyrights in this age of streamers and partnerships for revenue...wow.

Like to see how Totalbiscuit works with that EULA (and all the YouTube game promoters).

Okay, I had to go back and re-read the EULA carefully with my Tin Foil hat on.

I'm assuming your refering to this,
"(b) except as expressly permitted by this EULA and to the extent expressly permitted by applicable law, to rent, lease, sub-license, loan, exploit for profit or gain, copy, modify, adapt, merge, translate, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble or create derivative works based on the whole or any part of the Game or use, reproduce, distribute, translate, broadcast, publicly perform, store in a retrieval system or otherwise deal in the Game or any part thereof in any way;"

This is a non issue and you must know it, I highlighted the pertant bit it for you.
"(b) except as expressly permitted by this EULA and to the extent expressly permitted by applicable law"

Live and recorded steams would be expressly covered by the local jurisdictions fair Use laws, which generally allow the use of an unmodified work for the express purposes of public and private commentary regardless if that commentary is sold commercially.

Well at least in the civilised world like the UK and EU, I’ve no idea how this would fly in the US, but given frontiers active support and participation with the streaming community they would are almost certainly support such actions.

Now if the streamer replaced all the spaceships with hamburgers, that then becomes a derivate work, and thus falls under this clause. (Though in that particular example would be covered by laws protecting parody and satire common in democratic legal systems.)
 
Okay, I had to go back and re-read the EULA carefully with my Tin Foil hat on.

I'm assuming your refering to this,
"(b) except as expressly permitted by this EULA and to the extent expressly permitted by applicable law, to rent, lease, sub-license, loan, exploit for profit or gain, copy, modify, adapt, merge, translate, reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble or create derivative works based on the whole or any part of the Game or use, reproduce, distribute, translate, broadcast, publicly perform, store in a retrieval system or otherwise deal in the Game or any part thereof in any way;"

This is a non issue and you must know it, I highlighted the pertant bit it for you.
"(b) except as expressly permitted by this EULA and to the extent expressly permitted by applicable law"

Live and recorded steams would be expressly covered by the local jurisdictions fair Use laws, which generally allow the use of an unmodified work for the express purposes of public and private commentary regardless if that commentary is sold commercially.

Well at least in the civilised world like the UK and EU, I’ve no idea how this would fly in the US, but given frontiers active support and participation with the streaming community they would are almost certainly support such actions.

Now if the streamer replaced all the spaceships with hamburgers, that then becomes a derivate work, and thus falls under this clause. (Though in that particular example would be covered by laws protecting parody and satire common in democratic legal systems.)

Wikilawyering now, Rall? lol

And no that is not the part I was referring too. It's the copyright part and how FD can hold onto content FOREVER.

After the whole third party mess on YouTube (I mean even Blizzard was going "WOAH"), it's going to take more than Rall's Guide to Legal Affairs on Earth to settle those issues. XD

That EULA is too restrictive. I would not have any of my artwork/music associated with ED due to it. WoW, Blizzard doesn't care unless you're trying to sell something with their IP and that stuff (which is why WoW has 10000000000000000000001 player content created stuff online).

FD is exclusive, Blizzard is inclusive.

No tin foil needed.
 
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Buying the box + subscription is how it's been down since 1998. Nothing new. At least you won't get the "Buy to keep the servers running" rhetoric with buying a $60 game, too!

Did you realize I am not the OP, even? -_-

Just lots of posts full of vitriolic drivel, I don't need that. You are now the first dude on my ignore list.
 
Did you realize I am not the OP, even? -_-

Please stop to derail the thread with your speculations then. Feel free to start a thread about your issues and I will gladly tell you my opinion. And to anticipate: Yeah I am not a moderator. But I am a member of this community and want the forum to be a civil place. If this is a problem I will just use the report function next time.

To say something on topic: Never fly without insurance.
 
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