So apparently this isnt hacking.

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Add me to your friends list, ill sit next to you in normal space and you try and jump out, I bet you an anaconda full of imperial slaves the FDL will masslock the clipper, you can make it as heavy as you like. There is no scenario where a maxed FDL will not masslock a python, the same is true of the clipper.

I'm not betting an Anaconda full of slaves but I will test with you when I get home from college in a few hours. My ingame name is the same as my forum name and I'm somewhere near Achenar - Liabeze, I think.
 
Add me to your friends list, ill sit next to you in normal space and you try and jump out, I bet you an anaconda full of imperial slaves the FDL will masslock the clipper, you can make it as heavy as you like. There is no scenario where a maxed FDL will not masslock a python, the same is true of the clipper.

If that's the case then it needs fixing IMHO, the base mass of the FDL is tiny compared to the clipper and 100t less than a Python.
 
If that's the case then it needs fixing IMHO, the base mass of the FDL is tiny compared to the clipper and 100t less than a Python.

I wouldn't mind seeing a purpose-built interdictor vessel capable of mass locking outside its own tonnage, but that shouldn't be the FDL. The FDL was built as a very toothy yacht.

I wonder if a wing beacon was involved? It's still a bit odd.

It is odd, but if FD looked at the blackbox data (which is apparently very in depth) I would be willing to bet they'd notice anything they considered out of the ordinary, which would definitely include memory editing.
 
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I'm not betting an Anaconda full of slaves but I will test with you when I get home from college in a few hours. My ingame name is the same as my forum name and I'm somewhere near Achenar - Liabeze, I think.

my jump range is like 12 ly in my fdl... if you are so strong in your belief you need to wager something...or you cannot stand by your claims.
 
my jump range is like 12 ly in my fdl... if you are so strong in your belief you need to wager something...or you cannot stand by your claims.

Thus far I've been citing personal experience. I'm willing to test this with you for scientific purposes and I'll readily admit that I'm wrong if I turn out to be. If you're after a "wager" more than confirming the truth then I can find someone else in a Fer de Lance to test with. Any volunteers?
 
FDL masslocks everything except conda and other FDL
period

there is NO way, the python could jump out in 10 seconds! NO legal way!
period

masslock confirmed
low jump in 10 seconds confirmed
high jump not confirmed. high jump always takes 15 seconds

something to see here imho!
 
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I will wager a whole British grown onion* delivered anywhere within the bounds of the United Kingdom (excludes ROI and the Isle of Man) that your FDL can not masslock my Python


* I have only just planted my onions thus the winner will have to wait till the end of the season.
 
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I know - that's what I'm saying. His shields got dropped and he bailed. If he was hacking, his shields would've recharged instantly or not died to begin with.



Pythons outfitted for trading can probably be light enough that an FDL can masslock them, but a combat rig is going to outweigh a Fer de Lance by a lot.

As far as I was aware, mass locking doesn't actually have anything to do with mass -

Its the value of how much it locks you, like for example if you try to escape a python and you are mass locked it says "Masslock factor 18" or something like that, most of us use that as the masslock number - i'll fill some of the ships i know, though I apologise if I get any wrong

Anaconda - 24 (or 22)
Dropship/FDL - 20
Python/Clipper/Asp/T9/T7/Orca - 18
Vulture/T6 - Something
Viper/Cobra/Adder/Hauler - Something
Eagle/Sidewinder - Something

It has nothing to do with mass, neither base or fitted it is a value assigned to a ship hull fairly arbitrarily, like if it had anything to do with mass the T9 would clearly have the highest.


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Hey ill take it, but you need to stand by your claims you make on this place otherwise too much nonsense gets littered on the official forums, this is just another example of it, but yes, ill add him, and ill test his theory, I tested this multiple times.

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As far as I was aware, mass locking doesn't actually have anything to do with mass -

Its the value of how much it locks you, like for example if you try to escape a python and you are mass locked it says "Masslock factor 18" or something like that, most of us use that as the masslock number - i'll fill some of the ships i know, though I apologise if I get any wrong

Anaconda - 24 (or 22)
Dropship/FDL - 20
Python/Clipper/Asp/T9/T7/Orca - 18
Vulture/T6 - Something
Viper/Cobra/Adder/Hauler - Something
Eagle/Sidewinder - Something

It has nothing to do with mass, neither base or fitted it is a value assigned to a ship hull fairly arbitrarily, like if it had anything to do with mass the T9 would clearly have the highest.


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Thankyou, some sense has appeared!
 
Hey ill take it, but you need to stand by your claims you make on this place otherwise too much nonsense gets littered on the official forums, this is just another example of it, but yes, ill add him, and ill test his theory, I tested this multiple times.

I'm standing by my personal experience, which is where I'm drawing my claims from. I know what I've seen and done. I'm offering to test with you, which means I'm currently standing by my claims. If I suddenly disappeared and was nowhere to be found then you might be able to argue that I wasn't.
 
As far as I was aware, mass locking doesn't actually have anything to do with mass -

Its the value of how much it locks you, like for example if you try to escape a python and you are mass locked it says "Masslock factor 18" or something like that, most of us use that as the masslock number - i'll fill some of the ships i know, though I apologise if I get any wrong

Anaconda - 24 (or 22)
Dropship/FDL - 20
Python/Clipper/Asp/T9/T7/Orca - 18
Vulture/T6 - Something
Viper/Cobra/Adder/Hauler - Something
Eagle/Sidewinder - Something

It has nothing to do with mass, neither base or fitted it is a value assigned to a ship hull fairly arbitrarily, like if it had anything to do with mass the T9 would clearly have the highest.


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You are welcome to my Onion!
 

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Maybe in FD's defence they just don't know any better, maybe they didn't realise the FDL mass locks a python, maybe just maybe they don't know the FDL should and does mass lock the python?
 
So apparently i was naming and shaming, as the video has been redacted, I cant think of why since it is irrefutable proof that said person wasnt hacking....

If you want the video PM me, alternatively search the elite dangerous sub reddit for the video.
 
Looks like some good combat going on there - thanks for sharing the vid.

I always thought there was some kind of "dice roll" included with mass locking (as well as the previously mentioned tonnage, etc.) to figure out who wins in a potential lock situation. Do FDLs really have more mass than a Python ? I would have thought they were about the same
 
Looks like some good combat going on there - thanks for sharing the vid.

I always thought there was some kind of "dice roll" included with mass locking (as well as the previously mentioned tonnage, etc.) to figure out who wins in a potential lock situation. Do FDLs really have more mass than a Python ? I would have thought they were about the same

Base mass for FDL is 250, and 350 for the Python, meaning that if the mass lock mechanic works the way the devs explained it, the FDL should not be able to masslock the Python unless the former has been upgraded significantly and the latter was stripped down for trading.
 
It's got to do with multiple factors, you're correct. "Profile" is not one of them. Weight, FSD class (of the jumping ship), and distance are all relevant, as well as I believe velocity (relative to the ship you're trying to jump away from) and FSD integrity. Odds are that Python was heavier than or almost as heavy as your FDL and likely running a pretty decent (if not top shelf) FSD.

How heavy is your FDL?.

As odd as it may seem, mass has nothing to do with masslock. Each ship has an arbirtrarily chosen masslock factor and can masslock all ships with the same or lower factor.

The Python has a masslock factor of 18, the same as the Clipper (and even the Type 9) btw.
The FdL has a masslock factor of 20, so it can masslock anything except Anacondas, which have a factor of 24.

What the Python did in the video should not be possible.
 
cool....moderators not obeying their own rules and redacting a normal, and legal combat video....FD stated its no hacking thus nothing to shame......
so is EVERY combat video to be redacted in future that shows names?!

really?!

<---- shakes head and moves along as it is as inconsistent mod behaviour as with their banhammer.....
 
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