UNKNOWN ARTIFACT: Signal Fomat Decrypted?

Text yes. Picture maybe. Audifile who knows. But I don't believe in coordinates that you can not use in the game. The only ways to find a star in the game is either the name or the vektor which are three numbers.
I think the solution is within the audiofiles. Otherwise there would be relevant information on the pulsar datasheet in the game.
 
Text yes. Picture maybe. Audifile who knows. But I don't believe in coordinates that you can not use in the game. The only ways to find a star in the game is either the name or the vektor which are three numbers.
I think the solution is within the audiofiles. Otherwise there would be relevant information on the pulsar datasheet in the game.

As impressive the knowledge is of some of you guys in binary code and decryption we have to presume that this clue is something that can be deciphered by all Cmdrs whose talents lie elsewhere, so I do think it is being over thought and the real answer is being overlooked in its simplicity.
 
I haven't yet listened to this yet in any great detail but as a former Passive Sonar analyst I know organic sounds and mechanical and I can't help feeling that there is something alive in those canisters and that is what we can hear, that would be the most simple explanation.
Someone else mentioned this earlier I believe half joking I think but it makes more and more sense, these are space seeds just waiting to hatch. I believe the dark wheel novel spoke of Tharglets being transported in canisters of Murmyths (small turtles), don't discount original Elite history. FD I'm sure don't expect anyone to apply the decryption techniques some of us are doing. I'm more and more convinced those artefacts are seeds/eggs/pods waiting to hatch, possibly stolen or scattered. Any thoughts?
 
Might be just me, but as this is a game, are you not over complicating it, it can't be that difficult to work out. I have an extremely large IQ, not bragging, but having said that and tbh I'm not going to sit and extrapolate various codes to try n work it out, I just like giving the grey matter a break and just play. Think you're looking to far into this, maybe wrong, but there you go.
 
we have to presume that this clue is something that can be deciphered by all Cmdrs whose talents lie elsewhere

I don't think so. The artifacts are so rare that people are forced to record audio samples and share their information with other people to crowdsource a solution, unless they'd rather go through every theory that occurs to them one at a time on their own. FD do seem to love having huge numbers of people perform mundane tasks en-masse, and their "puzzles" have been so vague and open-ended that trying to figure them out sensibly is completely impractical. It's more efficient to smash them with a thousand random thoughts in the hope that one of those thoughts is correct, and they seem to design them like this purposefully.

My first assumption was that although Braben mentioned that there are non-celestial things to discover in deep space, those "things" were the Unknown Artifacts and that was the end of it. The nature of the artifacts' sounds and the probable hint from Michael Brookes seem to indicate it's deeper than that, but based on my impression of the way FD hides secrets, I'd expect an annoyingly simple, very arbitrary solution that is hard to stumble across unless hundreds of people are bashing their heads against it for at least a week. Then someone with an unnatural love of the USS accidentally passes through the UA-spawning region and happens to visit The Correct System, triggering the Thargoid Prince Himself to spontaneously appear in illustrious person before them, send them an amiable comms message, gift them 15 million credits and vanish in a puff of disappointment.

I'm still sore over the GTX Titan thing, so I'm trying to sit this one out despite being a massive sucker for big community puzzles and ARGs. I'm not sitting it out very well. Hoping I'm wrong about it, I suppose.

I believe the dark wheel novel spoke of Tharglets being transported in canisters of Murmyths (small turtles), don't discount original Elite history. FD I'm sure don't expect anyone to apply the decryption techniques some of us are doing.

Ooh, that sounds plausible! Have you seen the picture of the UA model? It looked fairly organic to me, and rather turtly. They should certainly have learned that people will always go into decryption immediately though if they think there's a code somewhere and a community effort is established behind it - Fez, and E:D's previous GTX Titan thing are quick examples. And if the first kind of decryption doesn't work, they will keep going until someone can announce they're the one who solved the unsolvable puzzle.
 
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I don't think so. The artifacts are so rare that people are forced to record audio samples and share their information with other people to crowdsource a solution, unless they'd rather go through every theory that occurs to them one at a time on their own. FD do seem to love having huge numbers of people perform mundane tasks en-masse, and their "puzzles" have been so vague and open-ended that trying to figure them out sensibly is completely impractical. It's more efficient to smash them with a thousand random thoughts in the hope that one of those thoughts is correct, and they seem to design them like this purposefully.

My first assumption was that although Braben mentioned that there are non-celestial things to discover in deep space, those "things" were the Unknown Artifacts and that was the end of it. The nature of the artifacts' sounds and the probable hint from Michael Brookes seem to indicate it's deeper than that, but based on my impression of the way FD hides secrets, I'd expect an annoyingly simple, very arbitrary solution that is hard to stumble across unless hundreds of people are bashing their heads against it for at least a week. Then someone with an unnatural love of the USS accidentally passes through the UA-spawning region and happens to visit The Correct System, triggering the Thargoid Prince Himself to spontaneously appear in illustrious person before them, send them an amiable comms message, gift them 15 million credits and vanish in a puff of disappointment.

I'm still sore over the GTX Titan thing, so I'm trying to sit this one out despite being a massive sucker for big community puzzles and ARGs. I'm not sitting it out very well. Hoping I'm wrong about it, I suppose.



Ooh, that sounds plausible! Have you seen the picture of the UA model? It looked fairly organic to me, and rather turtly. They should certainly have learned that people will always go into decryption immediately though if they think there's a code somewhere and a community effort is established behind it - Fez, and E:D's previous GTX Titan thing are quick examples. And if the first kind of decryption doesn't work, they will keep going until someone can announce they're the one who solved the unsolvable puzzle.
I haven't seen the picture of the UA do you have a link?
 
Finally found it on page 12 of this thread. No idea where it came from originally:

Using the picture below, you can see 7 distinct "ribs" or "knuckles" and 4 separate "horns" that protrude down the length or the canister. There are also 3 sets of 4 of these horns. I don't think it's a coincidence.

Consider that this equates to 7 notes - or 12 digits. Twelve digits could equate to a XYZ axis with 4 digits each. Just a thought because I think the container itself holds a lot of clues. Those "diodes" clearly visible in the last pane must also be a clue...


 
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I started a wiki on thursday/friday

for everyone to group together questions/theories and spring board links into the relevant threads.

But I'm too damned busy with real life (wife and kids sick and we are in the middle of redecorating, and I can't stay on top of this).

The history of the UA's and where to find them, the background information.

The scans etc etc need to be added in.

http://edua.wikia.com/wiki/Ed_ua_Wikia

Please feel free to contribute.
 
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As impressive the knowledge is of some of you guys in binary code and decryption we have to presume that this clue is something that can be deciphered by all Cmdrs whose talents lie elsewhere, so I do think it is being over thought and the real answer is being overlooked in its simplicity.

Why? You're missing one key point - this isn't supposed to be solved by everyone in the game; it's supposed to be solved once and once only. In fact, even if it's not solved (or if it can't be solved with the information we have, which is always a possibility), FD will have a plan for it to be "solved" out-of-game and transmitted via Galnet when it's appropriate to the evolving story.
 
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Why? You're missing one key point - this isn't supposed to be solved by everyone in the game; it's supposed to be solved once and once only. In fact, even if it's not solved (or if it can't be solved with the information we have, which is always a possibility), FD will have a plan for it to be "solved" out-of-game and transmitted via Galnet when it's appropriate to the evolving story.

It's quite possible you're right, as you probably guess my skills don't include deciphering sound signals into binary code etc so I tend to think outside the box, FD like most of us are Sci Fi buffs, what we have here are a number of signals coming from alien artefacts. I firmly believe these artefacts are in fact egg pods with A liens inside them waiting to emerge, another possibility that springs to mind, FD may make all their riddles up or base it on previous films etc. In Independance Day there is a signal that Jeff Goldblum correctly deduces is a countdown to attack, maybe that could be what FD have implemented. Just a theory :)

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I'm just offering my insights, every now and then I get some wood on the ball :)
 
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FD like most of us are Sci Fi buffs

They're also serious astronomy buffs (who among other things, built into this game a multi-million-dollar simulation of all the known stars in the galaxy), which is also a world of signals and SETI and Voyager discs and Dumas Messages, and so on.

Most people here would struggle to decypher even the Voyager's message if they had to do it alone. In Elite game-speak, a signals problem is more of a "community goal", than a "mission". :)
 
They're also serious astronomy buffs (who among other things, built into this game a multi-million-dollar simulation of all the known stars in the galaxy), which is also a world of signals and SETI and Voyager discs and Dumas Messages, and so on.

Most people here would struggle to decypher even the Voyager's message if they had to do it alone. In Elite game-speak, a signals problem is more of a "community goal", than a "mission". :)

Agreed, I think it's great that so many of us are banding together to solve the riddle, I was just offering a theory that has probably been overlooked, I'm a simple guy so a lot of my theories are as such, simple :)
 
As impressive the knowledge is of some of you guys in binary code and decryption we have to presume that this clue is something that can be deciphered by all Cmdrs whose talents lie elsewhere, so I do think it is being over thought and the real answer is being overlooked in its simplicity.

We may have to presume that this clue is something that ALSO can be deciphered by all Cmdrs.
Which doesn't mean that us academic hot shots cannot show off a little and try to decipher what is obviously some binary code in the sound produced by the UA.
 
We may have to presume that this clue is something that ALSO can be deciphered by all Cmdrs.

I do not like this assumption. I prefer the assumption that it is something to which all players can contribute. It doesn't take academic intelligence to transcribe bits. It doesn't even take great ears to transcribe most bits, to highlight the areas you can't hear for those with better ears/software. It also doesn't take great skill or knowledge to look for patterns in the strings of 0s and 1s. Actually deciphering them, figuring out the cypher or enctrypion, sure, that's a specialized skill.

Not everyone can get in the top 5% of a CG. Not everyone has the knowledge and tools to finally solve this problem, but just about everyone can participate in some way.
 
Hi, don't know if anyone's really looked at this yet but has anyone considered that the code might not be binary? listening to the recording there seem to be some very deliberate pauses at certain points, just after the chainsaw noise. That set me thinking that maybe it's a ternary code? It could be nothing but assuming the silences to be 0 the low notes to be 1 and the higher notes to be 2 I got

20*121221*2011212*20211221*20122112*20121221 (where * marks the chainsaw noise) - exactly where to go next I'm not sure, I don't think its a simple code where the letters are represented by their ternary number (there's probably not enough 0's for that - "I" would be 100, "O" 120 and "U" 210) but I was thinking maybe this could be a different starting point to work out coordinates or perhaps it codes for a longer binary sequence?

I'm just guessing here, I've no expertise but I thought it might be an angle people have overlooked - or maybe its nothing!!
 
I analyzed the 1st segment very carefully.
H = High note
L = Low note
h = faint high note
l = faint low note
P=Parity. There is a waving pattern and a decaying pattern. They alternate.
The TLen is the total time length of a note segment.
The ULen is the time between two notes in the segment. As you can see, it speeds up over time.
0 is a filler to make the chart nice.
There is always a "space" between two segments. The space is the unit length of the segment.
There are two exceptions. Both had very faint notes next to each other. As if the fade effect malfunctioned. There, I can't decide which one is a space and where the new segment starts. It is possible that both faint notes are irrelevant. It is also possible that only one of them is irrelevant. That would maintain the 6 or7 notes then 1 blank theory.


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 P TLen ULen Remark
H H L L H H 0 ~
H L H H L L 0 \ 27,0 3,90
H L L H L H H ~ 31,0 4,00
L H H L L H 0 \ 27,0 3,90
L L H L L H l ~ 27,5 3,90 faint
l H H L L H H \ 30,0 3,70 faint
L H L H H L L ~ 30,0 3,80
L H H L H H l \ 26,2 3,70 faint
h L L H L H L ~ 29,6 3,70 faint
H H L L H L L \ 29,1 3,60
L H L L H H L ~ ENDS 3,70



Other interesting things here:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=143938
 
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