A confession from a remorseful pirate.

So this whole player killing thing is totally messed up around here.
1. Some folks kill just to kill and own up to it.
2. Some folks kill and claim to be "pirating yet they don't bother with cargo cause it doesn't pay much.
3. Some folks kill, only if their demands are not met or during the chase.
4. Some folks rarely kill, but use limpets or shoot the hatch if possible.
5. Some folks kill simply because they know it bothers another player.

OP, you fell into 3 from your story. In my mind 3 and 4 are true pirates that I can appreciate. Your guilt, while unnecessary in my opinion, only further sells me on you being an honorable player and not a . I'll fly with you anytime. Except when your pirating of course, then I might be shooting at you. But I will mean well.

Traders who do not comply and don't have the stick to escape, are all fair targets in my book. And I fight for them.

+1 repped. Agree. And as i said earlier.. I had totally forgotten that I could have just rotated under him and shot out his cargo hatch.. it toally slipped my mind, and it would have made for a great experience. That is what I will do next time somebody is standing still, but refusing cargo.
 
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I think most guys that get to my level don't pirate for the money.. although making an actual profit WOULD be nice. I make 8mc an hour trading. I make diddly squat pirating. I do it for fun. And if my interdicees play by my rules, I genuinely think it improves the fun/gameplay/excitement level of the game for both of us. (and i have been told this by a few guys that had to give up some cargo) Those that run and die... I am sorry they made the wrong decision, but I don't feel sorry for them.

I really think FD ought to revisit profits from stolen cargo. You pirates really have no incentive to play for the cargo. I have dabbled in smuggling and see how crap your pay is.
 
It's not about not taking the loss. It's about not giving the pirate the win.

That's the thing... whether you think you won or lost making this decision (to lose all cargo and ship)... you as the trader definitely lost. Which by definition, gives the pirate the win. Maybe you convince the pirate to change his request of 25 tones, to 20, or 15.... he accepts maybe.. you get away with a slightly lower yield on your trade run, but still come out ahead. THAT is a win, even if he still wants 25 (as an example). It's the right decision to make.

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I really think FD ought to revisit profits from stolen cargo. You pirates really have no incentive to play for the cargo. I have dabbled in smuggling and see how crap your pay is.
I'm in the red from pirating. So right now, my profit from pirating is >0. I'll get better!
 
Good pirates make the best stories and I'm always more willing to give to a pirate that talks like a pirate or makes me laugh somehow. Just 2 days ago I got pulled from super cruise by a damned pirate, He demanded I give him my shirt, my boots, and my motorcyle to which I replied "but good sir I haven't any boots". "well dam" he said and flew off into the black. At that point I was laughing so hard I would have just given him what ever he wanted. I have enough credits though I thought about messing with pirates by carrying 20 tons of gold in my t9 along with 480 tons of bio waste and dumping it all out at once laughing as the unlucky pilot literally flies through a bunch of s*** just to get the gold.
 
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Good pirates make the best stories and I'm always more willing to give to a pirate that talks like a pirate or makes me laugh somehow. Just 2 days ago I got pulled from super cruise by a damned pirate, He demanded I give him my shirt, my boots, and my motorcyle to which I replied "but good sir I haven't any boots". "well dam" he said and flew off into the black. At that point I was laughing so hard I would have just given him what ever he wanted. I have enough credits though I thought about messing with pirates by carrying 20 tons of gold in my t9 along with 480 tons of bio waste and dumping it all out at once laughing as the unlucky pilot literally flies through a bunch of just to get the gold.
LOL!! ghaha
 
I really think FD ought to revisit profits from stolen cargo. You pirates really have no incentive to play for the cargo. I have dabbled in smuggling and see how crap your pay is.

I honestly think the stolen goods have reached a good balance at 75% resell value, anymore and it might be a little too high. Anyway It's not the profit from stolen goods as much as it's the scooping(which drones will probably help with) and the stealing of cargo.

Right now there's a soft limit on how much you can reasonably scoop at one time(mine is ~25). The canisters decay too quickly, disappear when when you're 8km away, and take too long to scoop. Having a bigger ship, with more cargo space barely matters to a pirate, you'll make the same amount in an asp as you will a clipper. Less if you count repair costs and integrity repair costs.

If you weren't limited by scooping(which with drones in 1.3 we might not be) our wallets will still be at the mercy of the traders. Meaning, unless the trader drops the cargo "willingly", there's no way to even come close to the scooping limit we have now, let alone the new one once drones are introduced. Using limpets and shooting the hatch can only get you so much cargo, usually 8-12 each drop. Unless the trader stands completely still, by the time first batch of cargo is done spilling, the cargo will already be so spread out it'll start to despawn. So essentially there is no way to get more than 12 tons, unless the trader is willing.
 
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It was me you killed! Oh yes. Me, that's right. Now, about that 100T of sweet free cargo. And yes, I changed my CMDR name, all legit, don't-cha know.
 
My morning stint at Devil's Advocate comes around once again. :) ONE ton of rares, so that's worth a maximum of about 50,000Cr, plus you have to take the hit of selling on the BM?

This is like holding up a Post Office, finding out it only has £50 in the till, the clerk won't hand it over, so the robber still shoots them and leaves without the money.

Trader should've dropped it and fled. Pirate should've left it and not killed trader. Silly situation for both to be in.

OP - Nice story and well told. But as role playing goes? Try to get shoes that fit next time.
 

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I don't understand the mentality of your victim.A trader should not show that kind of bravado.He should only think about money.
Losing your ship(and cargo) and paying insurance is not the best way to get richer.I reserve my machismo latino for conflict zones and bounty hunting.
Oh well :D

Traders are people, people are irrational. You play the game your way, they will play it theirs.
 
Don't forget that cargo pods decay. If you drop 100 tons and warp out, he'll be in a mad scramble to try to pick up what he can. Which would... actually be kinda funny in itself. :p

To make pirates mad you could always drop all of your cargo the moment you realize you can't get away ( no matter what Mr. Pirate wants ) and make it so that 2 thirds of it is Bio waste ....
Unfortunately Pirating is rather unprofitable as it is and Pirates are to be nurtured and cherished - if I am around in open near Leesti I'll make sure to carry a couple of tons of Palladium just for you.

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"Did he really deserve my knife in his back for excersizing his idea of what was simply combat competitiveness??"

Absolutely
 
As if piracy is to get paid. Trading and bounty hunting require a smaller skill set, lower risk, and have much, much higher cr/hour.

EDIT: Also, not killing the crew doesn't mean they didn't kill the captain and officer(s), which is still murder.

So "piracy" in Elite dangerous isn't about money and pirates still wonder why traders prefer to get blown up? It's not about the money. It's not about the money for the "pirate" and it's not about the money for the trader. Simple. It's about forcing your will onto others and that other not to allow it. Really simple.

And piracy is in almost all cases completely risk free. What risks? That a T-6 is able to reduce the shields of your Clipper or FDL or Python to 99% before he gets blown up?
 
A confession from a remorseful pirate, an open apology to CMDR Ax-xx (obviously not quite his real name, I don't recall exactly what it was... hopefully this isn't shaming, that isn't my intent, quite the contrary). This is a long story about a pirating experience last night... sorry for the long post. I am hoping CMDR AX-XX shows up here to chat.

I need to get something off my chest! I know this is just a game, but man.. i seriously lost some sleep last night over this. Albeit only 20 minutes or so... but still!

So I am a new pirate, imposing my will upon unsuspecting traders system wide. From deep in Empire space at Eotienses, all the way to rares stops in federal space near Leesti. I have been striking fear in many-o-tradingships, night after night, pulling traders out of super cruise and demanding a small percentage of their cargo. I have only been at this for 3 days or so. I am learning as I go, teaching myself the ropes and the skills necessary to pull it off. I gotta say.. it is NOT easy!

My first couple days doing this, the overwhelming majority of my piratees (is that a word?) decided they would be better off A) fighting the interdiction, then B) ignoring my demands to cut their engines or face certain destruction, then C) running away at full speed/boost/charge FSD, then D) still not cut their engines as their hulls pacefully reach 0%. I found this utterly strange. Instead of dropping 10 out of 100 tones of semi-worthless cargo... they would rather take their odds at getting away with all of it. 100% of them failed. This is great! These guys gotta learn (pirates point of view here), that submitting to the pirate, and having a slightly less profitable run is better than losing all your cargo AND a ship re-buy. But none of them went that route.

Then last night, things kind-of-changed. The overwhelming majority of pirates STILL chose to fight the interdiction (and lose), but then heeded my warning to cut their engines and wait for my cargo scan. I would offer up what sounded like a relatively painless demand, like 15 or 20 tones of cargo... they agree, drop their cargo, roll play with a howling "Ok, DAMN YOU SPACE PIRATE! ;) "... and off they would go. NEVER have I had more fun in this game, than mindlessly scooping up 20 tones of some worthless cargo.

But then this happened.

My last target of the night, mr Ax-xx... Near leesti somewhere (I forget which neighboring system). He's in a T6... I pull him out.. but he fights the interdiction. This guy WINS the interdiction! (my first loss)... "OK!" I thought... "that guy deserves to get away". It was like a TWO MINUTE struggle with the tether. I was tired! But silly CMDR was still there in SC when I finally got back out. I once again, pulled him into an inderdiction battle. This time I won (woot!). We both dropped into normal space, I trigger my script "pirate 1" which gives my first demand to cut his engines, wait for scan, or face death... and he does. He is sitting there, and I am literally nose-to-nose with him doing my cargo scan (i like to sit that way to assert my dominance). While the scan is going, he says "haha.. joke is on you, I don't have any real cargo". The cargo scan reveals he has a single rares ton. I don't even remember what it was. All I was thinking, was that I had to have it, as I earned it as the successful pirate. But the CMDR says no! You can't have it. He said it took him an hour to get it and he would rather self destruct than jettison his single ton. Once again.. I was baffled at his response.

So there I was, nose-to-nose... with my combat loaded wingman right next to me... contemplating what to do. The pirate's code says that you destroy those that don't give up to your seemingly rational request for cargo. CMDR AX-XX says "do your worst, commander... ill even turn off my shields"..... Here is where the last two days of killing all these traders that wouldn't stop got to me... out of habit for what I thought was what you were supposed to do... me and my wingman opened fire. His shields and hull collapsed in less that 3 or 4 seconds. BOOM... there he was, facing the re-buy screen.

Off we went! Back into space. It got late... I logged off... and put my head on my pillow. Then for some reason, I started to really think about this encounter. Was it really a reasonable request to demand he give up his SOLE ton of cargo? No, it wasn't. Was it really the right thing to do to "teach him a lesson" for not dropping his single ton, by blowing up his ship and sending him to the rebuy screen? No.. it wasn't. Was thee most honorable part of the entire encounter when CMDR AX-XX said "i will not drop this single ton cargo...I spent an hour obtaining it... do your worst"... YES, it was.

So there I was, trying to fall asleep.. and I couldn't stop thinking of this guy. Who was he? Some single young guy sitting in his apartment? Some married guy with kids who only gets an hour a night to play? Something in-between? Never in this game have I felt so low. The previous dozen traders that I turned into worm food DID deserve it. And I didn't feel one OUNCE of guilt. It's just part of the game. It's fun, challenging, discouraging, lesson learning. Next time they WILL submit, or they will have an armed friend near-by to make sure they have some backup. Whatever. But THIS guy, certainly did not deserve what he got. Not by a long shot. I made a terrible mistake. And it has actually affected me in real life! It IS just a game... but we ARE only human.

I appologize CMDR AX-XX. I would love to make amends with you. You fly a T-6, I have 100 tones of whatever mineral/metal you want. Just look me up in-game, we can meet near a station that has a high buy-back price, and you can spend an hour scooping (haha.. stupid scooping) and hopefully that will cover your hour+rebuy on your T6.

CMDR Holycow, (remorseful and will be FAR FAR more careful about which commanders he destroys and which he lets go).. signing off.


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We've tried to come up with new modules for pirates to prevent such future tragedies.
 
So this whole player killing thing is totally messed up around here.

5. Some folks kill simply because they know it bothers another player.

All* "pirates" kill simply because they know it bothers other players. They call it "making a point", "teaching a lesson" or "making the game exiting" - in the end it's just killing because they know their victim is bothered to lose the ship, cargo and some time. If it wouldn't bother the other player to lose the ship the whole concept of piracy in Elite Dangerous wouldn't work and exactly that's why "pirates" get so upset by players who simply refuse to play by their rules. They refuse the pirate the only reason why he plays a pirate.
 
I think most guys that get to my level don't pirate for the money.. although making an actual profit WOULD be nice. I make 8mc an hour trading. I make diddly squat pirating. I do it for fun. And if my interdicees play by my rules, I genuinely think it improves the fun/gameplay/excitement level of the game for both of us. (and i have been told this by a few guys that had to give up some cargo) Those that run and die... I am sorry they made the wrong decision, but I don't feel sorry for them.

I agree that even being on the "wrong end of the deal" can still leave someone thinking "that was a great gaming experience." It definitely takes two to make it happen though.

I recall a time in Altis I was asked by some random guy to go with him into his sub. I followed him and someother guy to the sub and we drove around for a bit got board and decided to kidnap another player and bring him in the sub. I had zip ties on me, so I quickly run into town square choose an unsuspecting victim and pull out my gun. He puts his hand up and I restrain him. Off to the sub we go....it was great fun and quite funny. If the "victim" didn't put his hands up he wouldn't have been restrained...he knew that...but played along. that said Im sure he wasn't expecting to have to sit in a sub for 15 mins for our amusement. (side note, hours later I logged in again, and not long into it dude who we kiddnapped kills me and RP's it's revenge for kidnaping him lol one of the funnest RP experiences in a game ive had.

Imagine tracking down a specific player in ED lol
 
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I appologize CMDR AX-XX. I would love to make amends with you. You fly a T-6, I have 100 tones of whatever mineral/metal you want. Just look me up in-game, we can meet near a station that has a high buy-back price, and you can spend an hour scooping (haha.. stupid scooping) and hopefully that will cover your hour+rebuy on your T6.

CMDR Holycow, (remorseful and will be FAR FAR more careful about which commanders he destroys and which he lets go).. signing off.

I haven't pirated another player since the game launched, but I did a lot in beta and gamma, and I dabble against the AI every now and then.

Personally I make a distinction between a thief and a murderer.

There are 3 ways to pirate right now:
1) Send a message to a player telling them to stop their engines or die,
2) shoot their shields down, then shoot their cargo hatch,
3) shoot their shields down, then shoot a limpet at them.

Number 1 will require you to kill players, numbers 2 and 3 don't, but number 1 is the only one that is really viable right now in my opinion.

Buffing limpets and cargo hatch shooting helps to keep traders alive. Its more in their interest than pirates. A buffed limpet might help you sleep at night :)
 
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However.. after a few nights of pirating, trying to be the best/most fair pirate I can (except for my OP, of course)... I am almost 300k in the hole. Haven't found a single player carrying anything of actual value, and ship repairs from falling out of supercruise due to interdictions has racked up quite the bill. I need to find traders hauling metals.. and im sure I will be able to get into the black doing it.

Methinks you should try pirating in a cobra for a while. It has low operating costs and is perfect to learn the ropes in.
 
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