Clipper or Python?

wire2k

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Eravate is myusual homebase where I switch between BH with my Vulture/Viper and Trading withmy T7.

Lately ive setup a second base in Empire space with a T6 and another Vulture where ive beenworking on improving rank towards getting a Clipper.

My plan was tosell off the T6 and Vulture once I reach Baron and along with my cash reservesfit a C rated Clipper for about 28-30mil and take it back to Eravate.
Im now up toSquire rank and in the process have made a nice bit of cash and starting toconsider skipping the Clipper for a Python.

I would definitelyprefer the Python if only because of the Medium Pad landing (better options fortrading and I do a lot of BH at Anarchy Nav points and cash in at nearbyoutpost) however to buy and fit a Python I would likely have to sell off my T7and 2nd Vulture aswell so the Python would be my main ship for awhile and so would have to be a BH/Trading multirole.

Can anyonesuggest cheapest possible Python fittings/cost for a viable Python for BH/Trading or maybeTrading only until i build up more funds later on for better fittings?
 

cryon1cang3l

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I would suggest a python. Clipper is really great for chasing down targets and pirating, python feels better in combat and while trading.

Python will cost you 47mil and you should have about 20 to get full D-grade stuff and cargo slots (for max jump range while trading, its about 15Ly with the lightest setup and max 292 cargo) + rebuy and enough money for cargo, imperial slaves cost about 4,5mil overall when you get 292 of them.
Clipper is cheaper, but still pretty expensive outfitting.

My solution: get the python hull in zaonce for 47mil. and leave it there till you have enough money.
 

atpbx

A
I bought a clipper and it really speeded up the money making process.

only had a few days before I was able to trade up to a Python.
 

SilverbladeTE

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And following on from Midian's good post :)
if you want a combat capable ship, two large pulse gimbal lasers on top
2 medium cannons gimballed on top
1 large cannon gimballed below
rocks! will devastate large ships
if want better small/medium ship capability, swap 2 medium cannons for multicannons
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you do NOT need top end components ot make a Python into combat ship
but, better thrusters, and Shield Boosters make it whole lot better
when you can afford B and A rated power distributor and better power plant, you can swap medium kinetics for 2 medium gimbal pulse lasers
keep large cannon or replace with missile battery (helps with pesky small ones and runners)
 

cryon1cang3l

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hiasakite said:
This is what I've done, still trading in my Asp until I can spec my python for trading , and have enough buffer for insurance etc..
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Well the best trading gear (trading only, not combat traider mix) will cost you around 20mil + insurance (double please) + enough money for cargo and a bit overhead to feel good.
I had about 80mil when i got my python, it was really good for trading, but mediocre in combat. Once you get some A-grade stuff, it will be way better. And it will become really expensive^^
 

CMDR Holycow

CMDR Holycow
If you go with a python... you won't HAVE to sell your T7... you wll no longer have any need for it what-so-ever. The python is a better trader than a T7 in every single regard. So is the clipper too. So whichever you go with, count your T7 trade-in towards your assets for your purchase as well.

Don't forget, there is no ONE BEST SHIP in this game. It is one giant rock-paper-sicors circle in this game.. one of the true things that FD absolutely nailed in this game. The python is arguably better in combat, with more utility, better hard points, smaller target etc... but it is also a LOOTT slower. Which means the python has far crappier ability to control when it wants to fight. If you get pulled out and mass locked by an FDL... you aren't getting away. The clipper on the other hand is so fast, that it DOES get to dictate when it fights and when it doesn't. If you get interdicted, even if mass locked, nothing will catch you boosting away the from the interdicter.

There are clear advantages and disadvantages to both ships. You have to add up which ones have more value for YOUR uses for the ship.
 

Ancipital

Ancipital
Yep, on the trading treadmill, it's nice to trade the T7 for a Clipper, and then use that to earn to buy a trade fit Python.. (damn, but it's nice to get away from the Clipper's blingy Tron cockpit and drifty handling :D). If you always trade up to the best trader that you can afford, it will make it that much quicker overall to raise the cash to re-buy the earlier ships if you miss them, too.
 
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wire2k

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Thanks for the suggestions, i figure if i sell off my T6, T7 and one of my Vultures along with some of my petty cash i should be able to afford the 47mil for the Python hull and leave me with a Vulture to BH up some more cash to fit it. At a push i could probably do Midians trader fit but would leave me little buffer for cargo and insurance.
When does the Zaonce sale end?
Does the sell all fittings then the ship method still work?
 

Jerakeen

Jerakeen
I loved my Clipper......until I got my Python. It's not as fast but much much more in every other way. More firepower, more cargo space, more tanky, better shields, better hardpoint placement. The Clipper is indeed a lovely ship, I kept mine for a while after I got my Python but I sold it when I realised that it never left the hangar.

And don't mourn your T7. It's a garbage scow. Celebrate being free of the lumbering, over heating old piece of junk. The Python holds more cargo, is faster, can go to outposts and isn't a liability when you get interdicted.

You don't really need the Vulture either. I have both and I make more money per hour in the RES with the Python because it kills so much more quickly. 2 large and 2 medium gimballed pulse lasers on top and a large cannon underneath will remove a Master Anacondas shields in seconds and reduce it's powerplant to scrap in under a minute. It's nice to get in the Vulture occasionally just for the manoeuvrability but I'm soon back in the Python.
 

curses

curses
Dis is the cheapest Python I can find that can still boost and has a reasonable jump range. Note that you can make the cost under 60M if you downgrade to a B rated FSD. And you can also still run class 7 thrusters and distributor with the A2 powerplant if you want, you just lose a bit of jump range.

With a trading fit Clipper you end up with a ~40 ton lower cargo, and have a similar laden jump range as the Python above. Costs a lot less though.
 
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Iskariot

Iskariot
wire2k said:
Clipper or Python?
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As far as I am concerned it is weird question.
Those ships are in different classes.
The Clipper is much cheaper and you could have fun for many weeks, or even months, in a Clipper before buying the much more expensive Python.
That is what I did.
 
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Comrade Napoleon

Comrade Napoleon
Python Rulez , I have two, but then again I'am a pig :)

One is a trader and other is a combateer.
Best ship in game; tough and versatile.

Cheers Cmdr's
 

Krow

Krow
Personally I think skipping the Clipper is a big mistake.

I love my Python but it is no where near as much fun to fly as the Clipper.
Especially Bounty Hunting through asteroid belts. SO much faster and maneuverable.

My Clipper made me a ton of money, enough to buy a Python and kit it out, all without trading in the Clipper.

Not saying the Clipper is a superior ship, it isn't, I just think it would be a shame to skip past the ship I've personally had the most fun in. (second fastest in the game)
Sure you can come back and buy it when you're wealthy in your Python, but are you going to do that with a Hauler and Adder as well..

Awesome ship.
 

wire2k

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Iskariot said:
As far as I am concerned it is weird question.
Those ships are in different classes.
The Clipper is much cheaper and you could have fun for many weeks, or even months, in a Clipper before buying the much more expensive Python.
That is what I did.
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Mostly im trying to get a sense of at which point a Python is operationally viable. With all previous ships ive been able to pretty much A fit them straight away but with the Clipper and Python theres a big $ difference between stock and A rated and so going to upgrade slowly bit by bit so its more C rated Clipper or E rated Python.

While I could afford to fit a Clipper quite well I have 2 main issues.

  1. Still need to reach Baron rank, im currently Squire and have done two Rank Ascension ’Kill X Pirates’ and still no change.
  2. Large pads only, with my T7 I have found large pads only has restricted my trading options.

For me the Clipper would be a stepping stone towards Python, I see the Clipper as a sort of Vulture/T7 combo and while it has a bit more firepower than a Vulture and a bit more cargo space than a T7 the Python on the other hand can do alot more firepower and alot more cargo AND land on Medium Pads.
If I had reached Baron earlier I probably would have bought a Clipper as soon as I could afford one but given that by the time I reach Baron ill probably have enough to skip it straight to a reasonably fit Python I may aswell go for a low Python now to take advantage of the Zaonce sale.

Playing around with others suggestions i figure minimum I can get a stock Python to an ok trader for 3 mil by shuffling the stock internals and adding a B5 FSD, 2xSize 6 racks and a Size 3 rack for 11Ly Laden range at 218tonnes.
 

Silh

Silh
Both. :) But I admit I am a packrat and have been keeping every ship I've owned rather than trading up...

Been flying a trading clipper for the last while, with 232 cargo and ~14LY jump range (http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=603,5De5De4yG4yG01Q0_g0_g0_g,2-9Y9Y7_8c9Y8S6k,0Bk0AA7RA07205U05U03w03w ... well, this is fully upgraded for trading at this point; only spent about 6 million on her before starting to trade originally). Have a vulture on the side for hunting when I feel like a change of pace. It's sooooooooo much more enjoyable to fly than the T7, the speed is awesome, though you do have to watch how you dock due to the very anemic lateral thrusters. Supercruise maneuverability is also really nice, which makes planet gravity well braking a lot easier to do. I'm about 2 minutes faster on my trade route in the clipper compared to the T7. About 600k cr per 11 minute round trip.

Because of the discount, I just picked up a Python and spent ~10M to get it to a trading configuration with 284 cargo (http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=605,mpX0_g0_g0_g0_g,2-6QA07_6uBaA08I,0AA0AA0AA08c08c0727Pc05U03w). The biggest expense was the A5 FSD, of course. Downgrading to a 4A power plant helped lower the mass, and I'm not running any weapons anyhow. Making about 760k cr per 12 minute round trip now... just a bit slower due to slower top speed in normalspace and can't turn as tight in supercruise for planetbraking.

Sorta sad that the 3A shield on the Python is stronger than the 4A shield on the Clipper. :p The Python has much better lateral thrusters, and if you can afford it, a ton of power to be able to run a good selection of weapons and shield cells. The Clipper's weapon placements are weird, and shields are on the weak side even when top rated... but is designed to move forward, fast! If you need to run from trouble, just keep on hitting boost. All that said, for me the Clipper is still more fun to fly, and I love the way the engine sound screams.

Plan is to keep on trading with the Python to be able to afford the 51 million 7A shield for the Clipper, and eventually fully combat fit it...
 
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