Calling all Federation Commanders - The Battle for Liaedin begins now

LiquidCatnip · May 18, 2015

The East India Company is locking down Liaedin to prevent a war from occurring.

We are declaring a State of Emergency and trying to prevent an outbreak of civil war.

There will likely be ship destructions, both Federal and Imperial, at the hands of our peace-keeping force... but any blame must rest with this so-called "FederationNavyHQ" and his purported Shadow Navy. We have had our hand forced and we do so under the sanctions of the Treaty of Liaedin.

Apologies in advance but until CFC is appropriately surpressed... Liaedin is a no-fly zone for non-EIC pilots... Federal or Imperial.

Please note that the Federation groups present at the Galactic Summit yesterday voted for the treaty... and that the motion passed with 2 votes cast for the Treaty for every 1 vote against.

Please help us keep the peace.

Abandon this foolish crusade.

I encourage all commanders to read up on the Treaty of Liaedin as well as listening to the broadcast of the Galactic Summit and hearing the discussion and voting on the topic.

As ever, the East India Company sends its regards.

We have no quarrel with the Federation... and we do not wish to.

We wish for Liaedin to remain the bastion of free trade and tourism between our great nations as well as the symbol of a thousand year long peace.

Regards,

CMDR LiquidCatnip

CEO, East India Company

Talarin · May 18, 2015

LiquidCatnip said:
The East India Company is locking down Liaedin to prevent a war from occurring.

We are declaring a State of Emergency and trying to prevent an outbreak of civil war.

There will likely be ship destructions, both Federal and Imperial, at the hands of our peace-keeping force... but any blame must rest with this so-called "FederationNavyHQ" and his purported Shadow Navy. We have had our hand forced and we do so under the sanctions of the Treaty of Liaedin.

Apologies in advance but until CFC is appropriately surpressed... Liaedin is a no-fly zone for non-EIC pilots... Federal or Imperial.

Please note that the Federation groups present at the Galactic Summit yesterday voted for the treaty... and that the motion passed with 2 votes cast for the Treaty for every 1 vote against.

Please help us keep the peace.

Abandon this foolish crusade.

I encourage all commanders to read up on the Treaty of Liaedin as well as listening to the broadcast of the Galactic Summit and hearing the discussion and voting on the topic.

As ever, the East India Company sends its regards.

We have no quarrel with the Federation... and we do not wish to.

We wish for Liaedin to remain the bastion of free trade and tourism between our great nations as well as the symbol of a thousand year long peace.

Regards,

CMDR LiquidCatnip

CEO, East India Company

As a dis-interested party (as in, not affiliated with any group, and actually pro-Imperial) - isn't this a direct violation of the treaty you are allegedly supporting? There's a free travel clause in there - which I would be eligible for. Within 24 hours of your Galatic Summit - you've had to abandon your treaty?

I'm no expert, but I reckon you've been played.

Weren't specific influence levels agreed as part of the original treaty (I'm sure I read that on Reddit)? What happened to those and where do they stand now?

I use Liaedin a lot for cashing in Imperial bounties. I've communicated frequently with some of your members under amicable circumstances during the events of the last few weeks/months. But it strikes me that EIC are the ones being disproportionate here. You should be able to mission/trade the Federation effectively out of existence in the system.

LiquidCatnip · May 18, 2015

No, we're fine and within Treaty.

It wasn't completely perfectly represented at Galactic Summit... but when FNE, AA and MM negotiated it with us this eventuality was discussed and agreed upon.

FNE and MM in particular have been advised of what's happening and agree with our course of action.

Please see additional discussion at the following link:

http://np.reddit.com/r/EliteDangero...errorist_of_liaedin_exposed_federationnavyhq/

I am not a regular frequenter of these forums and will likely be slower on the responses here than I would be on Reddit.

Regards,

LC

Vasious · May 18, 2015

LiquidCatnip said:
The East India Company is locking down Liaedin to prevent a war from occurring.

We are declaring a State of Emergency and trying to prevent an outbreak of civil war.

There will likely be ship destructions, both Federal and Imperial, at the hands of our peace-keeping force... but any blame must rest with this so-called "FederationNavyHQ" and his purported Shadow Navy. We have had our hand forced and we do so under the sanctions of the Treaty of Liaedin.

Apologies in advance but until CFC is appropriately surpressed... Liaedin is a no-fly zone for non-EIC pilots... Federal or Imperial.

Please note that the Federation groups present at the Galactic Summit yesterday voted for the treaty... and that the motion passed with 2 votes cast for the Treaty for every 1 vote against.

Please help us keep the peace.

Abandon this foolish crusade.

I encourage all commanders to read up on the Treaty of Liaedin as well as listening to the broadcast of the Galactic Summit and hearing the discussion and voting on the topic.

As ever, the East India Company sends its regards.

We have no quarrel with the Federation... and we do not wish to.

We wish for Liaedin to remain the bastion of free trade and tourism between our great nations as well as the symbol of a thousand year long peace.

Regards,

CMDR LiquidCatnip

CEO, East India Company

Your "kill everyone as it is our right under the some treaty" approach is both unlawful and will not be forgotten
by Imposing your own no fly zone for any non EIC pilots, you are just as much of a terrorist as you claim the ShadowNavy to be, when the vote was for Tree travel and trade within Liaedin.
It cannot be Free travel and trade so long as it is free only for EIC pilots.
You can hide behind saying "Oh we voted on it" but the vote wasn't about the EIC imposing its will and death sentences on any non EIC pilot that visits a Free system, especially Imperial Pilots visiting an Imperial system.

Talarin · May 18, 2015

LiquidCatnip said:
No, we're fine and within Treaty.

It wasn't completely perfectly represented at Galactic Summit... but when FNE, AA and MM negotiated it with us this eventuality was discussed and agreed upon.

FNE and MM in particular have been advised of what's happening and agree with our course of action.

Please see additional discussion at the following link:

http://np.reddit.com/r/EliteDangero...errorist_of_liaedin_exposed_federationnavyhq/

I am not a regular frequenter of these forums and will likely be slower on the responses here than I would be on Reddit.

Regards,

LC

Sorry to say, but I fundamentally disagree with you. If you publish a treaty and then immediately tear up the terms of the treaty because you don't like something that's going on then I'd argue that you bring a) The Empire (and by association - the Emperor); b) any legitimacy of the "Galactic Summit" - little enough it has; c) the word of EIC; all into disrepute. The tacit agreement of Federally-aligned player groups is irrelevant to your argument and shows them for the spineless, soft, corporate lackeys they are.

Furthermore - the only people breaking Imperial law in this situation are EIC. I haven't heard any stories of anyone else conducting illegal interdictions, assaults or murders in the system and so I have to ask;

Who is "keeping the peace" - not EIC for sure? Who authorised EIC to suppress support for any minor faction in Imperial space? (CFC, despite their political failings, are a legitimate presence in the system.)

Have the honesty to admit your failings. Call off this thuggish behaviour in the name of the Emperor. You disgrace us all.

MorsGotha · May 18, 2015

As you can see Commander Misnomer your efforts have bought lose of life for nought, when you have been told flat out that is what would happen.

Now, if you are truly aligned with the federation then I am sure I can find several Post Commanders, besides myself, to give you a direct order to cease your terrorist actions.

To any federal aligned independent commanders: Do not follow this fool. Do not take my word for it, speak with any of the larger federation groups such as the merchant marines and they will tell you the exact same thing.

Lupis · May 18, 2015

EIC ask for help only to blast their help to the void. Are you sure your not The terrorist? By imposing an unlawful no fly zone. WE pilots under the treaty have every right to fly there. I sure hope the Feds and Imp forces come to evict your little power play EIC before you call Liaedin New New Caribbean.

Reguards Lupis Volk Outsider of the Empire.

Isaiah Evanson · May 18, 2015

MorsGotha said:
As you can see Commander Misnomer your efforts have bought lose of life for nought, when you have been told flat out that is what would happen.

Now, if you are truly aligned with the federation then I am sure I can find several Post Commanders, besides myself, to give you a direct order to cease your terrorist actions.

To any federal aligned independent commanders: Do not follow this fool. Do not take my word for it, speak with any of the larger federation groups such as the merchant marines and they will tell you the exact same thing.

Terrorism?

What was the incursion into Volungu, then, if not terrorism?

In light of the recent turmoil in the Empire, with threats against the Emperor himself, Denton Patreus seizing and enslaving independent systems, and the attack on Volungu initiated by the Faveol family, it is only prudent that the Federation increase their presence in Liaedin. To turn a blind eye to the growing threat from within that system is suicidal. They've already struck out against the Federation once, and you would have us stand idly by and wait for them to do it again? Absolutely outrageous.

MorsGotha · May 18, 2015

@driggers

Yes. EIC actually HELPED the federation put a stop to that incursion.

Here is an 18 day old official EIC declaration of the matter: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/347f6m/eic_statement_the_volunguliaeden_conflict/

You need to read your history, and the Treaty of Liaedin, before jumping to conclusions.

Lupis · May 18, 2015

CMDR Driggers said:
Terrorism?

What was the incursion into Volungu, then, if not terrorism?

In light of the recent turmoil in the Empire, with threats against the Emperor himself, Denton Patreus seizing and enslaving independent systems, and the attack on Volungu initiated by the Faveol family, it is only prudent that the Federation increase their presence in Liaedin. To turn a blind eye to the growing threat from within that system is suicidal. They've already struck out against the Federation once, and you would have us stand idly by and wait for them to do it again? Absolutely outrageous.

And yet they claim to be helping by bringing terror to those that live, trade and hunt for bounties there. I smell something fishy.

Isaiah Evanson · May 18, 2015

MorsGotha said:
@driggers

Yes. EIC actually HELPED the federation put a stop to that incursion.

Here is an 18 day old official EIC declaration of the matter: https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/347f6m/eic_statement_the_volunguliaeden_conflict/

You need to read your history, and the Treaty of Liaedin, before jumping to conclusions.

Then help us again to secure a Federation foothold in Liaedin to ensure such incursions into neighboring systems don't happen again.

Unless, of course, you have another agenda in play here.

Talarin · May 18, 2015

MorsGotha said:
You need to read your history, and the Treaty of Liaedin, before jumping to conclusions.

That'd be the Treaty of Liaedin that EIC tore up because it didn't suit them any more? And, staggeringly, the other participants went along with it?

I don't mean to be hyper-critical but surely you can see how that looks?

MorsGotha · May 19, 2015

Are you being deliberately dense? If I helped secure a federation foothold in Liaedin it would be a direct violation of the treaty, not to mention the 1000 year old peace, and I would be rightly branded as a terrorist.

Lupis · May 19, 2015

MorsGotha said:
Are you being deliberately dense? If I helped secure a federation foothold in Liaedin it would be a direct violation of the treaty, not to mention the 1000 year old peace, and I would be rightly branded as a terrorist.

So is blasting any and all Commanders that aren't apart of the EIC your gang of thugs and terrorists are breaking the free travel/trade section of the Liaedin Treaty.

MorsGotha · May 19, 2015

The Treaty of Liaedin seemed to work just fine when the Volungu conflict was in effect when EIC not only stuck to it but infact aided federal pilots against Patron's Principles.

Now that we are sticking to the exact same treaty but it doesn't directly benefit Commander Talarin this time we are tearing it up? I don't think so.

Talarin · May 19, 2015

MorsGotha said:
The Treaty of Liaedin seemed to work just fine when the Volungu conflict was in effect when EIC not only stuck to it but infact aided federal pilots against Patron's Principles.

Now that we are sticking to the exact same treaty but it doesn't directly benefit Commander Talarin this time we are tearing it up? I don't think so.

Now I think it's you that needs to read up on the treaty. I point you to the Galactic Summit for the three major points.

In what way is intercepting and attacking pilots not involved in this conflict adhering to the treaty?

This undermines what could have been actually an interesting and useful addition to the political scene and instead exposes it as a sham.

Honour your treaty obligations or declare the treaty void. If you choose to honour the treaty make arrangements to recompense those who have lost vessels to your members (who you can't clearly identify as agitators, obviously - this Shadow Navy are fair game).

If you have sell members of your family into bondage then accept it as the duty of honour.

Vasious · May 19, 2015

MorsGotha said:
Are you being deliberately dense? If I helped secure a federation foothold in Liaedin it would be a direct violation of the treaty, not to mention the 1000 year old peace, and I would be rightly branded as a terrorist.

Deliberately dense? Interesting accusation from someone who has reduced the options to

Support the Federation in gaining a foot hold in Liaedin
or
Kill everyone in Liaedin who isn't EIC

Cant think of any other options in the middle there?
Especially given this debate was reignited by an Imperial pilot flying to Liaedin to assist the EIC and they shot him down.

Terrorist isn't mutually exclusive to one side, the Shadow Navy may be in breech of the Treaty of Liaedin, but that doesn't give the EIC free reign to do as they please.

"We told you we would shoot on sight" is no way a justification of the cause.

Lupis · May 19, 2015

MorsGotha said:
The Treaty of Liaedin seemed to work just fine when the Volungu conflict was in effect when EIC not only stuck to it but infact aided federal pilots against Patron's Principles.

Now that we are sticking to the exact same treaty but it doesn't directly benefit Commander Talarin this time we are tearing it up? I don't think so.

Hmm i wonder why you guys came to Volungu. OH that's right to stop an all out war between the Federation and the Empire. But now since the bulk of the Federation pilots are 100LY away you've made your move into Liaedin with only small groups being your opposition. Must be a tough life blasting away Vipers, Haulers and so on while in Pythons or more expensive ships.

So like true cowards your burning an entire solar system to flush out either one rat or a small group of rats when all you'll do is send them into hiding and increase their size of their cause.

Hope your a proud.

Regards Lupis Volk Outsider of the Empire.

Hyperschooldropout · May 19, 2015

EIC violated the treaty. Then they want to hide behind it when we retaliate. Come on, guys, what sense does that make? I'm not a big policy guy, but if you agree to abide by a certain set of rules, abide by them, damn it! Because if you don't, then your word is no longer the truth. How can we trust that you will do anything?
I live by a simple rule. If I say I'm going to do something, I do it. I don't just do it when I feel like it, or when I want to. I do it all the time. Can you say the same, EIC? Because it looks like you can't.
On top of that, you think the Golden Rule doesn't apply to you, because you are better than everyone else? You attacked Volungu, and now we are hitting back. And you arn't doing well against these Shadow Navy guys, are you? Maybe when you lose all your credits, you'll think twice before breaking your word again.

Isaiah Evanson · May 19, 2015

Vasious said:
Deliberately dense? Interesting accusation from someone who has reduced the options to

Support the Federation in gaining a foot hold in Liaedin
or

Kill everyone in Liaedin who isn't EIC

Cant think of any other options in the middle there?
Especially given this debate was reignited by an Imperial pilot flying to Liaedin to assist the EIC and they shot him down.

Terrorist isn't mutually exclusive to one side, the Shadow Navy may be in breech of the Treaty of Liaedin, but that doesn't give the EIC free reign to do as they please.

"We told you we would shoot on sight" is no way a justification of the cause.

It would appear neither the Federation nor the Empire is in control of Liaedin now. Patron's Principles are the controlling faction, certainly, but they are no longer the faction in control. And though Crimson Fortune Company's influence was expanding, I do not recall there being outright blockades or efforts to suppress Imperial traders in the system by the Shadow Navy.

This talk of treaties is meaningless when it is clear who the terrorists really are. EIC should be evicted from the system at once.