Are muzzle flashes too exagerated?

FS3DPete

F
No, and yes.

Also, there's a thread discussing this for those who have problems with flashing visuals, but I don't have the forum link right now.
 

Seonid

Seonid
Astraeus said:
Are muzzle flashes too exaggerated?
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They are also exaggerated in pretty much every film and TV program there is, no biggy. The oxygen needed to ignite the cartridge is already in the propellant so you would see it in a vacuum, just not at Hollywood levels.
 

Jokester

J
I would expect the muzzle flash to be bigger in space as the propellant is expanding out into the vacuum of space rather than into the atmosphere.
 

Crystles

Crystles
Muzzle flash is just the visually released energy from an explosion, as well as kinetic and thermal.

If I wanted to be a brat, I would argue that its slightly too bright... The multi-cannons dont strike me as super heavy. But otherwise theyre fine.
 

Jenner

I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
Jenner
Seonid said:
Here's an A10 with its 7 barrel 30mm cannon firing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=33teK7L4DM4#t=36

No muzzle flash at all, at the start of the video you can see it's around the ejection port not the muzzle. But that's reality and ED is a game so ultimately the level of muzzle flash is somewhat subjective.
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Rule of cool, then? :)

Aside: I see these bad boys flying around all the time where I live, since Davis Monthan AFB is a major training base for the Warthog. They're very distinctive, aren't they? The base has a bomb range 'near' where I live (ok, miles and miles away, but not *that* far!) so I can see them flying pretty darn low on their trips to/from the range and the base. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis–Monthan_Air_Force_Base
 

tooterfish

T
Seonid said:
No muzzle flash at all, at the start of the video you can see it's around the ejection port not the muzzle. But that's reality and ED is a game so ultimately the level of muzzle flash is somewhat subjective.
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1. Looking up at the sky in broad daylight would obscure any flash no?

2. Maybe the guns in Elite use caseless rounds and there's no ejection port?

3. I can find a billion videos on youtube of gatling guns that do have muzzle flash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqDCCTCYTNI
 

Seonid

Seonid
Zieman said:
That video is in bright daylight - totally different in night time.
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It isn't actually, but hey ho, not going to into the realms of circular "red herring" logical fallacies that seem popular amongst some posters here. Carry on.:D
 

Rog

Rog
Ammunition propellants are specifically designed to reduce visible signature as much as possible.

Picture a modern F-18 fighter pilot using cannon at night: muzzle flash would essentially blind him - not good!

FWIW, I thought the alpha footage has looked mostly pretty good, but perhaps the muzzle effects are a tad over bright.
 

Zieman

Zieman
Seonid said:
It doesn't have one.
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Somehow I saw this coming. :D

So, there has to be some explanation to why the muzzle flash is so small.
Muzzle velocity so high?
Long barrel with good cooling?
Low-flash ammunition propellant (as Rog explained)?
Surely not air resistance (alone), in the video part I linked the plane looked to be stationary?
 

Seonid

Seonid
If you look at the start of the video that I linked to, you can see flashes coming from the ejection port rather than the muzzle, that port is enclosed in the aircraft itself as that's were the empty cartridges are stored (dumping them in-flight would be bad for control surfaces). That combined with low flash and smoke propellant (Hollywood doesn't use this) means low overall flash and smoke. This is common in modern military weapons unless they are being used by Bruce Willis, in which case 4 yard muzzle flashes in broad daylight are standard.
 
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