To store multiple versions of the galaxy.
Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].
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To store multiple versions of the galaxy.
That is storage, which is vastly cheaper - especially since you would only be storing the influence stuff (the objects in the galaxy wouldn't change).
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I'm confused, isn't the galaxy stored on the same servers we access to play the game? If you split the servers and players equally, there should be no new servers needed. You might need some extra for headroom, but you won't need double or triple.
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well, you can run multiple databases on a single database server.
but i have no idea how the ED servers work.
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Nope.
Usually you have multiple servers doing different stuff.
Servers for login, databases (the galaxy), most likely for the procedual generation.... and the ones we are connected to.
All of the things that we influence aren't procedurally generated because they change over time. That's the whole point. Also bear in mind that certain aspects of the need to be manually manipulated. How many datasets do you believe we'll need? One for each mode, each group, each individual player in Solo? Isn't that the proposal, Solo players shouldn't effect the universe of any other player? Potentially 500k copies of the dataset, and growing.
Also theoretically if these multiple galaxies can be all influenced separately we are going to generate multiple separate timelines and lore. Imagine if Group players flip Laiedin but not in Solo. What happens to any storylines involving that system? Multiple storylines, multiple GalNets, etc., etc..
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True of course, I'm using the term "servers".
I changed my post pretty much the moment I posted (wasn't fast enough!) - not because it is not true (it is true), but because it isn't relevant (you wouldn't need to copy the assets, anyway).
As for number of copies, just two, in my opinion. Solo/Private, and Open.
Now, I would love to have my own exclusive one, but that would probably need to be stored locally, and not allow me to transfer over my commander associated with it (so, basically an offline mode, at least in relation to the influence/powerplay data).
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What about Group mode? Is Solo affecting Group? How is that fair if it isn't fair that Solo can affect Open? What about each of the different Groups affecting each other? Even with only two, the whole separate storyline thing becomes a real problem very quickly.
If we each have our own separate exclusive universe how is interaction and cooperation even possible?
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The moment anyone uses that word in any context, some numbskull turns up, sees it and starts using it to describe mode switching - we had it twice in the old thread.
As you were not there, I was just trying to give you a heads up - wasn't having a go.
Some folks around here use any excuse to directly or indirectly be abusive.
There are still quite a few posts in the old thread proving just that if you care to look.
so u gonna pay the new servers cost i suppose right?
The first point(s?), since they can't see each other then it is the same deal. Solo is merely a private group of one. They are essentially the same.
The difference with the Open universe would be that anyone that can affect it can also be affected - a slight but very important point to people like me.
The last point, at worse it is double the Galnews amount, but likely it will be a lot less (a lot of the posts are not in relation to player activity).
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How can anyone affect someone that is too far away from the populated systems at open?....
If it isn't a problem because they can't see each other then it's not a problem between Open and Solo now. They can't see each other. If Open and Solo can't see each other then it the same deal.
In your model anyone that could affect Solo or Group can also be affected. It's exactly the same. Sorry, but it's nonsense. If you want to apply this logic then you need a separate universe for each Solo player and each Group. And one for Open.
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Ok fair enough, but you still wouldn't need double the servers. The login could be used both both still right? As long as both sides update the same, we all can use the downloading servers. What about the ones we connect to, arent they just aggregators?They might be able to be split.
The "databases" are probably the only ones that would have to be multiplied based on the split. I don't think we know how many server the galaxy needs as of now, do we? Maybe someone with actual expertise can correct me. Where's asp when you need him?
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No one here knows how FD have the service set up, they've never told anyone.
But I'm sure all these folks who suddenly became tech specialists in the last couple of hours will tell us how easy it is to split everything down the middle - without any actual knowledge of how ED is set up.
I'm sure if it was that easy, FD would have done it by now to put an end to the whining, you know, as it's been going by the same handful for some time now.
But the simple fact of having to drop Offline shows things are not as simple as our "I work in [random tech department].... and I say it is easy" fellows even without knowing how ED is set up will have a solution ready.
I think you are misunderstanding. Simply being, the Open universe would be for those that want to ensure everyone involved in affecting the universe is capable of being affected by players in response (not that they necessarily will), while the Solo/Private universe would be essentially for those that don't care about that. It means both playstyles are catered for.
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.... and why should Private Group players not be offered the same courtesy - they can affect each other, after all?
i wasn't argumenting (this time).
just telling in simple words how things most likely work. i can't tell for sure because i'm not working for Frontier.
working with multi server environments was part of my job for more than 20 years...
What if some Open players don't care about that? What if some Solo players do? What about people who play in different modes at different times? They have to do everything twice. The game is designed for people to switch, not for people to self-lock to one mode.
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You wouldn't be multiplying the Galaxy (i.e., the planets, stars, etc.), merely the influence/powerplay data. This data is likely quite small (I wouldn't be surprise if any of our PCs could hold this data many many times over).
You have no idea what would need to be multiplied / copied / shared or anything else.
FD have never told anyone how this service is set up, so this speculation is pointless and a dead end, as FD want everyone together with the same BGS (try reading the OP and post 3).
I love how people suddenly know everything there is to know about how a game works despite not working for the games company
We know, what they tell us - which... is in post 1 and post 3 of this thread, page 1.... go for gold.
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