Player Pirates on the Uprising

[HeavyGroovez]

To Stocko1111
"Their" was in reference to my aforementioned bullies.

To HeavyGroovez
The problem is that the bullies are patrolling the trade source. Not the end-goal to a trade. I go to Altair to purchase Altairian Skins from Solo Orbiter. I don't often have anything in my cargo except maybe a bit of grain or meat at that point.
In this one instance, I was actually on my way to help a friend out. However, I would have stood no chance with the amount of bullies that were online. Most of them are in squadrons of 3 or 4, maybe more. There is just no fair game here, and the bullies are wasting every ones time if we are expected to stop for every single bully in the area. Part of the problem is that ammunition and repairs are cheap, so you go have your fun with a few other misfortunate players, have a few laughs, and then go kill an actual bounty somewhere to make the difference in used supplies.

If they were really concerned about making profit over this, they would be taking out the competition, and thus making the area considerably less dangerous and not nearly as tedious to trade at. That would give traders less reason to avoid it, and if you so called "pirates" are actually any good, you wouldn't kill them. You have no need of it. You don't get money for killing, that just puts larger bounties on your head. The money comes from the dropped goods and that is all.

But we aren't talking about pirates. These are players who just want a laugh at the expense of others. They are the ones in any other multi-player game that do nothing but team kill because that is funny. They are trolls and they are bullies. If you want to put yourself in that category, well fine. But I have 0 respect for your ideals.

I guess I had hoped there were people in this community that weren't just out for their own selves and we, as players, could establish our own way of dealing with it. I don't agree that this is something the Devs need to fix. There isn't really anything broken with the game, and thus not their problem. I think it is beautiful that this kind of conflict can occur in the game; but Apparently, the community is only about "pirating" these days. It only took the better part of 5 months for that to happen.

I agree that bored ganker wings are a pain in the ass, dont get me wrong i am not defending them.

I have played as a pirate and these fools just damage the game for everyone. Traders are edgy because they have had poor game experiences at the hands of gankers.

Not good for business.

 

[Lord_Itchybum]

My impressions of player pirates is that they mostly only go for easy prey. If you appear to be a challenge they generally walk away with their tails between their legs.
A few days ago I was in a Viper and got pulled by a Cobra. I had a few tons of Non Lethal Weapons on board. I stopped, turned to face the Cobra while he cargo scanned me then after a few seconds he just flew away. He was wanted BTW.
Not all do this and some relish the challenge but a lot are cowards and just like real life bullies will only prey on those weaker than them.

 

[Castodas]

Trust me, I'd like to, I even did once. Except, facing 3 or 4 of them immediately becomes a suicide move.
I think they enjoy the Mass Disruption by a factor of X thing a bit too much. I don't think I've ever ran into "pirates" that weren't doing it with a fer de lance or similar size.

 

[Nonya]

Actually, time for a more "spacey" term for those folk.

 

[TerrorTrooper]

Trust me, I'd like to, I even did once. Except, facing 3 or 4 of them immediately becomes a suicide move.
I think they enjoy the Mass Disruption by a factor of X thing a bit too much. I don't think I've ever ran into "pirates" that weren't doing it with a fer de lance or similar size.

There is something your missing the point on...
Your "definitions" of certain words are the problem.
Let me elaborate.. For example, you say pirates travelling in a group of 3 or 4 is "bullying" Now think carefully about this and what your trying to say..
From a parates point of view it makes sense, its efficient! this is because :-
A :- A Trader is less likely to run if the odds are stacked against him.
B :- If he runs, he is far less likely to escape into supercruise or by logging.
C :- If your a pirate, you likely have a bounty, and there are some bad ass bounty hunters out there who will drop in and ruin an unsuspecting pirates day.
D :- Some traders have pretty sharp teeth. My T7 has actually taken down more than a couple Player pirates in Cobras, and even the odd Asp. ( A Cocky, inexperienced pirate who doesnt scan properly can be surprised when you catch them off guard.)

They are simply playing the game as they see fit, its not bullying, its not griefing, its simply organised piracy. As the pirates get smarter, the onus is on you to up your game. I personally enjoy this aspect of the game.
If they are in a group, i yeild and pop em a few tonnes, if they are a loner, i make an educated and experienced assesment of their capabilities and how thourough they were checking me out. and decide on an appropriate action depending on them.
On the rare occasions I come across one of those pretend pirates who kill you for the sake of it, i jump into my vulture, asp, or python and go hunting.

 

[Nonya]

It would behoove pirates to travel in packs. A few fast interdictor fighters and a bigger ship to carry the cargo.
Remember, in a wing when the pirate cargo ship goes to sell the goods, everyone in the wing gets a dividend of the profits.

 

[Castodas]

At TerrorTrooper
I am speechless. I can't say anything about what you said. You took one thing that I said completely out of context. I think because you were too lazy to read the previous posts. Please re-read them, not just my posts. My last post was in response to Lord_Itchybum which had nothing to do with what I think pirates should/shouldn't be doing. He said he turned around to challenge the cobra. I said, I have done that but I was faced with, not just 1 cobra, but a pack- including the fer de lance. Do you not agree that it would be suicide to face all of them?
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Playing in groups is how the game should be played, let's just clear that up.
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So, I was in a fully upgraded ASP when I was taken down. It was fitted for combat. The only reason I escaped the first time. Second time, I could have escaped except, thanks to the last group of bullys, they were able to destroy my thrusters, in which they sat and taunted me for a little while I did all I could to get my FSD going. I didn't make it.
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I really doubt you 'd be able to do much better against those odd, so please don't berate me like I should have been able to do better under the circumstances.

 

[X-Terminator]

What is so hard for them to add Player Pirates to the Assassination Missions?
Allow us to get a loaned ship for Navy/Security roles.

 

[Angorak]

So, part complaint and part word of warning to others.

Player piracy seems to be at an incredible high right now. I got interdicted once by one group and escaped only to be grabbed by a second group straight after. They like to hang out around rare trade sources. Why they want to patrol the rare sources I have no idea. I don't know of any rare trades that link to other rare trades at exactly the 160LY mark, or whatever the cap distance is. The best they will get is junk cargo that is just filler for the most part.

ANYWAYS, These players are shameful in their practices, and they behave so shameless. They go around in large groups just so they can bully other players flying alone. If you do what they say then it is ok; but why is that ok? That is just bullying. Even if you have no cargo for them to take, or no bounties on your own head to serve them any purpose they decide they can just kill you for disobediently running away. I'm sorry, but I can't tolerate bullying, so I will either fight or flee depending on the circumstances.

I guess it was to be expected that this kind of practice would happen, but I'm very heart-broken that the community has to be plagued by this filth. It is enough to make me want to go hide in solo, but I'm not that kind of player. I enjoy the risks that come with playing in an open world environment with other players who have differing methods for giving themselves purpose; but when I first started playing this game back just before the wings update came out, and for the next couple months after, it was kind of infrequent to find other players and it was exciting. I thought it was cool. Now I see players and I'm honestly quite conflicted. I want to be able to trust them, maybe wing up with one of them, but now any one of them could be a pirate on the prowl. Not even a pirate, a bully. Simply put. A pirate would scan your cargo and then decide if attacking was worthwhile- a GOOD pirate would use more clever practices like the limpets to force your cargo out; but to just randomly attack without any of kind of gain to be had is just bullying.

Well, bullies won't keep me from playing, and I won't hide in solo/private group mode. Space is too big and I'm too arrogant.

Then suck it up. As long as you insist on running the rares trade route you will be hounded till the universe ends . The pewpew crowd really don't care if your hold is empty.
It's odd that in one breath you complain about them but in the next you refuse to take the only action that insures you won't have to deal with them. You can't have it both ways...playing in open, along rares routes and not being
"bullied" by the ones you call shameless. BTW...there is no such thing as a "GOOD" pirate. The very nature of the act of Piracy is criminal....and this game comes nowhere near treating it the way it should be.

 

[Araviel]

well good, bounty hunters like me needs work.
and i hope we get even more pirates in 1.3.
it might actually become profitable then whit the new cargo drones and not just something for roleplayers.

 

[Physicon]

"I enjoy the risks that come with playing in an open world environment with other players who have differing methods for giving themselves purpose"

 

[Castodas]

To Araviel,
I hope the best to your endeavors. Eventually, I may be able to group up a squadron of hunters. It's going to take a bit more time though! = )

 

[X-Terminator]

I would seriously add in the Pirates Code Of Conduct. A Pirate is a way of life and they do not do it for LOLs. Make killers be hunted by cops in that system until they do pay off their bounty again. In the meantime consisitantly send cops after them PLUS add them to the Assassination Missions. That's what those players want and not play a Pirates role who simply want cargo. That is the definition of a Pirate. Now define a killer for no gain...
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What would be quite a nice touch is inviting the Pirates Prey into his Wing to discuss terms rather than all that texting in whatever year is is now (I do hate this texting society - it lacks personality)

 

[Castodas]

I think power play does have something for pirates too. Isn't there going to be a power who is a pirate, or something like that?

 

[Jenner]

I think power play does have something for pirates too. Isn't there going to be a power who is a pirate, or something like that?

Archon Delaine

 

[Castodas]

Yeah, that must be it. Thanks!

I can't wait for power play to get here. Obviously, I'm not a supporter for pirates, but I think the game will keep us all better employed in the short and long term. Whether, keeping us a little bit safer from pirates, or by actually giving the pirates some direction.

 

[Steve72]

First altair is a rare system andcwhy are you only bringing in poor goods its at the end of at least two other rare destinations. Thats why they are there.

I ran into these a few weeks ago. A fdl persuaded me to part with some goods no shots were fired because I was not taking a chance.

Other time a cipper and cobra. Had a discussion on how high my rebuy was and was I sure. Im in a python and I sucked big time. Did everything wrong and had a 4 mill bill. This did prepare me for last night.

Running a normal trade run hold full
Jumped into sys to find 2 clippers. These guys flieced a newbie I was with a couple of days ago. 30t imp slaves from a t6. Come on guys thats most of his money.

So I take scenic route to station and sure enough one try to get behind me and over shoots as im about to drop at station. Unload cargo and bravery hit sc. No sign just low wake which I figure they have hit some one. So head over as one pops up he sees me so I lethim Iintetdict. No time for pleasantries. I unload with a new dest already in incase I have to bale.

I finally start to get his shields down and he runs like a baby before they drop saying his mate can see me.

Shame python is a defensive ship couldnt finish him but no mistakes and no rebuy. Thinking of a fdl now to hunt these scum down.

Given people are bored. More pirates will appear. But with 1.3 better for the bh.

 

[pluton]

I have done that but I was faced with, not just 1 cobra, but a pack- including the fer de lance. Do you not agree that it would be suicide to face all of them?

So, I was in a fully upgraded ASP when I was taken down. It was fitted for combat. The only reason I escaped the first time. Second time, I could have escaped except, thanks to the last group of bullys, they were able to destroy my thrusters, in which they sat and taunted me for a little while I did all I could to get my FSD going. I didn't make it.

I really doubt you 'd be able to do much better against those odd, so please don't berate me like I should have been able to do better under the circumstances.

A fully upgraded Asp should have a good chance to escape a group of pirates including a FdL. I've done it several times.

You escaped the first group but with damage or depleted shield cells? Then jump to another system to repair before continuing to your destination.

It's your choice whether to fight, but as a trader I don't even try. The pirates are better equipped and more experienced at combat. As you say, suicide to face a powerful pirate group. A fast Asp may be able to escape the mass-lock range of an FdL if your quick and lucky with your initial boost away after the interdiction. If not, always set up an escape route (from the Galaxy map) when you enter a dangerous system, or if you spot a potential danger ship (that's Clipper or FdL if you're in an Asp).

Then suck it up. As long as you insist on running the rares trade route you will be hounded till the universe ends . The pewpew crowd really don't care if your hold is empty.
It's odd that in one breath you complain about them but in the next you refuse to take the only action that insures you won't have to deal with them. You can't have it both ways...playing in open, along rares routes and not being
"bullied" by the ones you call shameless.

That is nonsense. An upgraded Asp is pretty safe in Open in even the most dangerous rares systems. I've been doing it for months in my Asp and I haven't lost a ship yet to another player. I frequently fly into Lave, Leesti and Diso. I flew over to Altair as soon as you gave the location (I was next door at Zeesszee) but the pirates had gone and there were only a couple of Type 6's.

If you prefer safer routes there are plenty of rares systems with low traffic where you'll never see a pirate, I've just come from one which has over 30t of rares and a 24 hour system traffic count of less than 20 ships. Distance isn't a problem for an Asp. Try Coquim (20t) to Utgaroar (15t) as part of your route. Or Hip 80364 to Rajukru to Kongga.

 

[damastes]

I got stopped by one of these groups recently. I was going to attack the Anaconda that interdicted me until his 3 wingmates jumped in, so I fled. They chased me down and disabled my thrusters just before my FSD kicked in (it really was incredibly close). They demanded 30 tons of Beryllium (which I thought was ok as my hold was half full of Beryllium and half of Paladium). I dropped said cargo and as promised they let me repair and reboot and head on out to my destination.

I didn't make a profit that trip, didn't even break even. But, I also did not have to pay multiple millions of credits in insurance and had one of my most exciting experiences in game yet. Piracy done right is a GOOD thing.

 

[Castodas]

To Damastes
That is cool. The guys that went after me, took out my thrusters and only decided to taunt me before killing me. I had no cargo anyways, was only the 1.8 mil to rebuy my ship; but your guys actually had a heart, letting you fix up and go.
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To Pluton
I do appreciate your words of wisdom. I'll try to have that escape route planned next time or make an emergency jump to another system for repairs. I was just being too optimistic thinking that another pirate gnabbing me would be pretty low chances. I think it is quite possible they were part of the same group.
As for the trade... I don't know of anything that is farther than 120LY and closer than 170LY between two rare sources. I prefer to go the whole 160LY, 170 sometimes, to get the full deal on rares. So unless it is a special event, I'm usually tired of doing that kind of trade run after the first cycle anyways, and bounty hunting has been more profitable and more fun for me anyways.
The only reason I was there in the first place, was to meet up with someone. I didn't even have a cargo hold. lol.