Aaaaand this is why I don't play Open Play - and possibly ED

[Dakron Nova]

Sooooo....

I just watched this on youtube it was quite different to the OP describes this.

1. The Anaconda was more than happy engaging the Orca whilst it thought it had the upper hand. i.e. when the shields on the Orca were down.
2. In fact the first shield highlight from fire was on the Orca from the Anaconda. Although the anaconda didnt become wanted so may be mistaken on this.
3. Sublime use of silent running by the Orca....Kudos commander.
4. The ramming wasn't just on the Orcas part, early on in the video there was at least one head on collision between both ships neither made an attempt to avoid the other. This appeared to be the collision that caused most damage.
5. The anaconda had chances to escape but didnt take them

 

[Alvatore]

TIL Orcas are viable combat ships.

 

[louthelou]

Sooooo....

I just watched this on youtube it was quite different to the OP describes this.

1. The Anaconda was more than happy engaging the Orca whilst it thought it had the upper hand. i.e. when the shields on the Orca were down.
2. In fact the first shield highlight from fire was on the Orca from the Anaconda. Although the anaconda didnt become wanted so may be mistaken on this.
3. Sublime use of silent running by the Orca....Kudos commander.
4. The ramming wasn't just on the Orcas part, early on in the video there was at least one head on collision between both ships neither made an attempt to avoid the other. This appeared to be the collision that caused most damage.
5. The anaconda had chances to escape but didnt take the,

Because the video shows the whole situation from beginning to end, right?
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I haven't watched it, but from your description, it apparently doesn't show the part at the beginning of the situation where he interdicted me, I jumped out, my wingman dropped in, and HE ATTACKED MY WINGMAN, who was clean and is even more inexperienced in combat than I am. My wingman and I tried to get away from the jerk, but he was persistent, so rather than play dumbass cat and mouse forever, I engaged him - since he was now wanted for shooting my wingman.
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So yeah. I suppose I could have jumped out of system and left my brother to die, but unfortunately for me, I value my family's happiness above my own.
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And how many times do I have to say it? I. Am. A. Combat. Noob. I realize this might be hard to understand, since people are typically so afraid of being classified as noobs, but I am not. I know what I am. The jerk who murdered me knew, too, but he didn't care.

 

[ste]

Sooooo....

I just watched this on youtube it was quite different to the OP describes this.

1. The Anaconda was more than happy engaging the Orca whilst it thought it had the upper hand. i.e. when the shields on the Orca were down.
2. In fact the first shield highlight from fire was on the Orca from the Anaconda. Although the anaconda didnt become wanted so may be mistaken on this.
3. Sublime use of silent running by the Orca....Kudos commander.
4. The ramming wasn't just on the Orcas part, early on in the video there was at least one head on collision between both ships neither made an attempt to avoid the other. This appeared to be the collision that caused most damage.
5. The anaconda had chances to escape but didnt take them

can you link me the vid.

 

[Zplintz]

I would definitely like to see systems put in place (from bulletin boards or npc contacts) that made tracking down bountied players a possibility. The current system of heading to the general area and hoping they show is weak. I would also like to see a system to deal with combat logging (either by preventing it's use in combat or player bans).

I think these will come when FD are ready to implement them.

As a new player to this game I'm hearing way too much of this. Open play sounds awful unless combat's your thing. Or creative defense.

I got turned onto this game via an article in MaximumPC. They went out of their way to say that if you were inclined to moves you'd have a prohibitive bounty on your ass. It seems to me, on first impression, that that bounty is more worn as a badge of honor than anything.

Yes some people treat the bounty as a badge of honor, but most of the top bountied players (afaik) get those bounties in solo play not in open + the new bounty system will make it much harder for bountied players to hang around system they are bountied in.

The new rules will also ensure a player that isn't interested in the bounty badge itself won't be able to murder another player and then head straight for the nearest outpost to pay it off and then rinse and repeat.

There are tools in the game granted - but don't let people make you think Open is nothing but being attacked or ganked all the time. Many people you hear complaining are flying in heavily populated systems where pirates are known to hang out + anarchy systems where bounty/security effects are less.

Open play away from the most densely populated and pirate infested is not as bad as people make out. There are many many people I see in open every time I play and even on the rare occasions I have either been pirated, it hasn't been that bad (I have either run, dropped cargo or fought back). Which one you choose depends on the situation (like how much you have to lose).

Also the Solo (a private group of one) is not the only alternative to Open play. There are many private groups (where you only meet people in the same group) and some of them like Mobius group have over 8000k players (possibly over 9k by now) that have a strict PvE only rule.

 

[Dakron Nova]

Because the video shows the whole situation, right?
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I haven't watched it, but from your description, it apparently doesn't show the part where he interdicted me, I jumped out, my inexperienced wingman dropped in, and HE ATTACKED MY WINGMAN, who was clean and is even more inexperienced in combat than I am. My wingman and I tried to get away from the jerk, but he was persistent, so rather than play dumbass cat and mouse forever, I engaged him - since he was now wanted for shooting my wingman.
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So yeah. I suppose I could have jumped out of system and left my brother to die, but unfortunately for me, I value my family's happiness above my own.
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And how many times do I have to say it? I. Am. A. Combat. Noob. I realize this might be hard to understand, since people are typically so afraid of being classified as noobs, but I am not. I know what I am. The jerk who murdered me knew, too, but he didn't care.

The cobra had 100% hull after he had destroyed the *anaconda?

 

[louthelou]

The cobra had 100% hull after he had destroyed the *anaconda?

What's your point? He didn't do hull damage to my wingman before he killed me. Whoopdie do. That doesn't mean my wingman didn't almost lose his shields in that first drop-in. That also didn't stop the jerk from killing him after he killed me.

 

[Dakron Nova]

What's your point? He didn't do hull damage to my wingman before he killed me. Whoopdie do. That doesn't mean my wingman didn't almost lose his shields in that first drop-in. That also didn't stop the jerk from killing him after he killed me.

When he engaged the Cobra he almost finished him with 1 shot (that also included taking down the shields)

---Edit ----
Although there was also a collision. The shot did take down the shields and cause hull damage.

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can you link me the vid.

Yes - Done.

 

[louthelou]

When he engaged the Cobra he almost finished him with 1 shot (that also included taking down the shields)

That's an exaggeration. My 4A Plasma Accelerator took that Cobra's shields from 100% to almost gone - but an Orca cannot equip a 4A. So, almost killed in one shot from full shields? I call <Ahem>, unless you mean a full volley of all equipped weapons (his 3x1 and 2x2 plasma accelerators).
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But even so, that doesn't change what happened. If the Cobra was at 100% when the Anaconda died, then my story HAS to be true; the Orca engaged the Cobra and became wanted, and almost took down his shields, meaning no hull damage (meaning the 100% hull makes sense). When I engaged the Orca, he was wanted, because he had shot my wingman.

 

[Dakron Nova]

Please see the edit on my original post, there was also a collision.

 

[ste]

Never ram a fully kitted orca is the lesson to be had here.

 

[scbfromnc]

Having trouble finding the video on youtube. Can you send the link or provide enough info so I can narrow down my search?

 

[warlock]

Forgive if I interpreted this incorrectly, your brother was in a basic cobra and your attacker was in a kitted orca and you were the "noob" in an anaconda?

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Kiwirat]

Hello Everyone! I'm the Orca pilot in question during this! Allow me to clarify a few tidbits.

1. I, when playing alone, in my Orca will generally interdict and engage ANYTHING I can
2. I record these encounters becasue frankly it is hilarious scoring kills / forcing combat logs on big bad ships like Pythons and Anacondas with a Passenger Liner

Hello? your own words describe you as a griefer pure and simple. Why? you attacked an unwanted ship with no object other than for your own pleasure and gratification. You go on to make movies of your killing for further gratification. Not a bounty hunter, not a pirate, simply a griefer. It is griefers like yourself that keep others who are trying to advance from being in open play. I read some good advice on here: If you are unwanted and carry no cargo and interdicted by a human player, it is unlikely they are simply wanting a chat. They are intent on killing you. It is unfortunate but true. The griefer will get his one day. Wipe away your grief and move on. Watching his youtube vid will simply increase his gratification..

 

[Outlaw Jenner]

Blow by Blow:

Interdiction #1: Grab conda, conda bails before i can get in appropriate weapons range, as conda is bailing Cobra 3 drops in, caused delay in masslock, turned and shot cobra
Interdiction #2: Grab conda, both ships crash into belt ring, failed interdiction
Between interdictions #2 and #3: Derped and crashed into belt ring again before getting a grab on the conda, not my proudest moment
Interdiction #3: Grab conda, conda submits, deploys hardpoints immediately, attempts ram (dodged like a boss), conda opens fire during scraping hug, cobra arrives, conda still firing, shields drop, silent running engaged, scan detected?, cobra has engaged, put distance, line up PA's, Ram full speed head on into conda, dropping shields and unloading as much PA as possible, conda gets knocked to 14%, Orca still at 60%, conda low wakes leaving cobra behind shooting me
Interdiction #4: Taunt conda "run rabbit run", tether established after small chase, conda fights interdiction and fails, COMPLETELY miss first volley with PAs, ram and repeatedly unload PA into conda's backside, conda is SCBing, cobra arrives, PA's and rams beat out the SCBs, conda shields down, cobra engages, orca shields down, conda spools FSD, conda drives out, conda down (no murder penalty strange), cobra still engaging, turn to face cobra, fire prior to collision, cobra at 2% post collision, cobra tries to run, long range PA snipe, cobra dead. Orca survives at 34%.

Time from inital interdiction to death of conda 9 minutes 32 seconds. That's all the cold hard facts. I wanted to fight a conda, I got my fight with a conda.

 

[Outlaw Jenner]

Hello? your own words describe you as a griefer pure and simple. Why? you attacked an unwanted ship with no object other than for your own pleasure and gratification. You go on to make movies of your killing for further gratification. Not a bounty hunter, not a pirate, simply a griefer. It is griefers like yourself that keep others who are trying to advance from being in open play. I read some good advice on here: If you are unwanted and carry no cargo and interdicted by a human player, it is unlikely they are simply wanting a chat. They are intent on killing you. It is unfortunate but true. The griefer will get his one day. Wipe away your grief and move on. Watching his youtube vid will simply increase his gratification..

To ME a giefer is someone that stalks starter areas and picks on new players with inferior equipment for kicks. All day, every day, has no gameplay outside of this. I do not do that, the system this happened in is far from the starter area, the player I engaged was in a vastly more expensive and powerful ship, and had a wingman with a potentially lethal loadout. This couldn't be further from griefing. Non-Consensual PvP? Sure, right up until the point he deployed hardpoints. The moment he did that all arguments went out the window. He had ample time to escape especially given I screwed up and was not in supercruise for a full unsafe FSD cooldown after the second interdiction. Instead i return to supercruise to see him still vectoring in on the RES site. Ship saftey was the least of his concern at this point to me.

Sorry for the double post

 

[EdzUp]

TLDR

I have been flying in Eravate again and there have been LOADS of pilots over there which didn't end up in a laser slinging match, for me if you get attacked its a battle of Witt's and skill. If I lose tuff its a game, if I win its some creds my way hopefully they were wanted

Heck even flying back to Cleve hub I was interdicted twice still no annoyance

 

[rekina]

So long story short you in Anaconda got rekt by Orca player? lmao

 

[TerrorTrooper]

Although some people do have some annoying experiences at the hands of bloodthirsty players,
The Galaxy isn't the "free for all kill zone" such threads make it out to be.
The Galaxy is a big place, there's more than enough room for all of us to play in, a few of my Favorite areas are surprisingly quiet in terms of other CMDR's, some evenings I will be lucky to see one.

It also really depends whare you're flying. I'm very nomadic, don't normally stay in an area long enough to make friends or enimies, but a good example is The lave cluster, it is a bit of a "rough neighbourhood", this is common knowledge, and you really have to keep your wits sharp around there, I fly around in an asp, admittedly it's a fully equipped warship Asp, but it's rare I get into a scuffle with a CMDR that I'm either not confident in being able to either win or chase them off, or if needs be, run screaming like a little girl. Cruising around the starter areas or lave cluster in a semi equipped ship, even a Conda is just asking to be attacked.

The sheer beauty of the elite universe is its open for all to do what they want, this is both exciting, and terrifying as you never know what the next hollow blob on your radar is going to do. To be a part of this adds a whole new exhilarating level to the gameplay but you really need to either be prepared, or be elsewhere.

 

[knowles2]

A noob in a anaconda, I feel sorry for the Anaconda such a beautiful ship shouldn't be stuck with a noob pilot behind her joystick.

I have always played in open play and I have rarely ever encounter another human pilot and when I do it usually in systems which can be easily avoided like lave, which let face it is the toughest neighborhood in Elite.