Hatred (the game)

[Hexen]

Just saw trailers of the upcoming game Hatred

Sure I had a lot's of fun in games like GTA, Postal, Red Faction, Carmageddon and so on. But those games were either detached from current reality or did not forced some specific mindset on the player. Some games like GTA series are always backed by a great story behind it too. Sometimes I feel this is where spirit of the 80-90's action movies gone. It's violent, it's spectacular but then you relise that it's all just bogus, fake, fantasy story with endless ammo in guns, ketchup rivers of blood and primitive "characters" in majority of cases. It might be fun for entertainment reasons but it doesn't promote hate against people as it is. I don't hate people from watching movies with Arnold Schwarzenegger or Sylvester Stallone either. Those are brilliant actors who made whole genre by themselves.

I never thought I'd say it in regard to computer game but in my opinion Haterd is just purely wrong. There is distinct line between provocative titles like Postal and purely offensive titles like Hatred. Sure I did not seen Hatred yet (nor I intend to) and it's early to judge but what I've seen was enough for me to feel revulsion and disgust. It's not even about the kids who might somehow get their hands on the adult oriented game. And they will. It's just... so totally wrong. It doesn't even intend to scare you (and it's not easy for a game to do so) like Dead Space series tries to. And Dead Space is a brilliant game in it's own right. But Hatred... I fail to see anything good behind it. It promotes extrimist ideas and does not even bother to deny it. How something as atrocious like that managed to even reach the market?

 

[pippo]

Never heard of the game until you mentioned it.
Went to watch the trailer and got the point after 20 seconds.
You are completely right.
I must be getting old.

 

[Geers]

If you want to support video games as an art form you shouldn't be trying to blockade it, or any other game, on the basis of its subject matter.

I don't like the look of it, it looks like a one-trick pony being edgy to be edgy but it has every right to be sold. Don't want it? Don't buy it. Simple as that.

[video=youtube;vFb06S6F0gA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFb06S6F0gA[/video]

NOTE: The game was reinstated and does currently have a listing on Steam.

 

[Hexen]

If you want to support video games as an art form you shouldn't be trying to blockade it, or any other game, on the basis of its subject matter.

I don't like the look of it, it looks like a one-trick pony being edgy to be edgy but it has every right to be sold. Don't want it? Don't buy it. Simple as that.

NOTE: The game was reinstated and does currently have a listing on Steam.

In theory I should if this is something that offends me deep enough. And it is. But on the other hand it's a game and there's 90% chance that it will be banned in my country anyway so I'm not going to indulge in a crusade against it. But I will not support it and will not recommend it. That being said this is my personal opinion and I respect opinion of others (that doesn't mean that I have to agree though). Whole point of that thread is to understand what other people think on the subject so thank you very much for your input.

P.S.
Yeah, Steam banned that game but then Lord Gaben personally intervened.

 

[Geers]

In theory I should if this is something that offends me deep enough.

I really don't agree. Not unless it's being forced upon you, which it isn't.

I hate goreporn movies. I think it's puerile, disgusting, and it boggles my mind that people can watch it. But if someone wants to watch Saw or the Human Centipede than I have no right, and frankly no reason to try and stop them. How does it affect me if someone else is curled up on their couch watching people dig keys out of their eyes? It doesn't. At all.

It's not the developer's responsibility to ensure that their adult game is kept in the hands of adults. That's entirely within the hands of parents and it's unfair to blame content creators who submitted their product for ratings and received a rating, for kids getting their hands on it.

I haven't seen much of Hatred besides the trailer and the discussion around it but I fail to see how it "promotes" extremism. The plot seems to literally consist of a guy thinking "I hate everyone, let's shoot them", and then the player goes and shoots them. I wouldn't call that a promotion. It doesn't seem to have any messages directed toward the player. It's like calling a movie racist because there's a racist character, showing something does not endorse it.

 

[nedeaalex]

The same response Postal and early GTA's got. Failed they have not. This game the same is. Shoot people is all you do. Bad publicity making wrong is. A game this is after all, and mentally ill people buy this game should not be able to anyway. So safe we are...unless we live in America. I hope some kid does not just decide to be a "video game hero" and shoot people on the street with his father's shotgun...

 

[Geers]

I hope some kid does not just decide to be a "video game hero" and shoot people on the street with his father's shotgun...

This doesn't happen unless that kid is already mentally unstable. Don't perpetuate that myth.

 

[Tusken]

I read the wiky, but can't realy see the problem.

By reading your post i though the game might target specific group(s) of ppl.
But hatred for all human beings.. Thats ok i gues.

I both love and hate humanity.. I mean realy just look at what we are either doing or let happen in the world... Its horrible!

Then again if you look back a few genarations you'll see how mutch we have chanhed for the better. Hopefull.

Anyway in RL i show my love for humanity by beeing loving and helpfull.
Hell in MP games like Elite i'm the same way.

I would love a chance to vent my anger with a game like that.
Thinking about it as i type this i already notice a evil smile developing on my face.

Thanks for the heads up, i think ill check it out tonight and see what the game is like. I hope its horribly realistic.

 

[Hexen]

But hatred for all human beings.. Thats ok i gues.

Hm, not something I can agree on or understand but thank you for sharing.

 

[1500]

Its no different than what Manhunt went through. Valve has every right to not distribute it if they do not want to. It would be like telling book stores they have to sell hard core sex mags just because they sell Home and Garden.

 

[Geers]

So this happened:

[video=youtube;cD0SfDadDzs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD0SfDadDzs[/video]

I'm just going to copy-paste the response I gave on the forum I saw it on:


"soon virtual violence won't be enough and people will need more violence to be satisfied"

If those aren't the words of a crazy person I don't know what is. I'm not watching that video because it's just going to p*ss me the hell off and frankly if anything was going to trigger a murderous rampage in me it would be ignorant newscasts broadcasting that kind of slander.

 

[DjordjeDtW]

I understand. It is about the crime spree. You have players who have goal only to kill. The merciless killing.
A game title says it all. For this game a man must be mad. Hateful. Will this be psychotherapy for the potential killer's?

Frightening thing.

If you have a wife and kids do not play this game. Divorce is guaranteed.

And how should the game be realistic to satisfied the violent nature in the man?
Perhaps the purpose of this game is coaching.

 

[DjordjeDtW]

Hatred is released...

This is description:
Hatred fills your whole body. You\'re sick and tired of humanity\'s worthless
existence. The only thing that matters is your gun and the pure Armageddon
that you want to unleash

You will go out for a hunt, and you will clear the New York outskirts of all
humans with cold blood. You will shoot, you will hurt, you will kill, and
you will die. There are no rules, there is no compassion, no mercy, no point
in going back. You are the lord of life and death now - and you have full
control over the lives of worthless human scum

You will also run, you will need to think, you will need to hide and fight
back when armed forces come to take you down. You will have no mercy for
them, because they dare to stand in your way

Only brutality and destruction can cleanse this land. Only a killing spree
will make you die spectacularly and go to hell

This game coaching violent nature, only for sociopaths.

 

[Vasea Azure]

How many of you actually played this? From what I saw so far its pretty average and I`m sure I can do wors mayhem in GTA V and see much more violent in TV. But the drama is sweet \o/

 

[AndyC77]

Go to YouTube and search for worth a buy. He does great game reviews and he posted his hatred review last night.

 

[Vasea Azure]

Go to YouTube and search for worth a buy. He does great game reviews and he posted his hatred review last night.

Yea I like his WTB a lot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsOwwQT3hJw

Total`s vid is up too (he sums up this whole drama nicely imo):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWKSopTFf2U

I bet no one will even remember this title in a few months.

 

[rootsrat]

Just saw trailers of the upcoming game Hatred

Sure I had a lot's of fun in games like GTA, Postal, Red Faction, Carmageddon and so on. But those games were either detached from current reality or did not forced some specific mindset on the player. Some games like GTA series are always backed by a great story behind it too. Sometimes I feel this is where spirit of the 80-90's action movies gone. It's violent, it's spectacular but then you relise that it's all just bogus, fake, fantasy story with endless ammo in guns, ketchup rivers of blood and primitive "characters" in majority of cases. It might be fun for entertainment reasons but it doesn't promote hate against people as it is. I don't hate people from watching movies with Arnold Schwarzenegger or Sylvester Stallone either. Those are brilliant actors who made whole genre by themselves.

Hang on a sec... GTA detached from reality and not forcing specific mindset on the player? What? Are you talking about "GTA: Fantasy Edition" or something, because if you're talking about the GTA we all know, you're talking rubbish. GTA not imposing a certain mindset on a player??? Which GTA, the "GTA: Be A Good Guy" edition or something? Again, rubbish.

Also, are you suggesting that a very realistic game filled with extreme violence and promoting "gangsta" life style is perfectly fine and fun to play because it has a great storyline, and another realistic game filled with extreme violence is not OK, because it doesn't have a story?

Just listen to yourself.

 

[Geers]

Hatred is released...

This is description:
Hatred fills your whole body. You\'re sick and tired of humanity\'s worthless
existence. The only thing that matters is your gun and the pure Armageddon
that you want to unleash

You will go out for a hunt, and you will clear the New York outskirts of all
humans with cold blood. You will shoot, you will hurt, you will kill, and
you will die. There are no rules, there is no compassion, no mercy, no point
in going back. You are the lord of life and death now - and you have full
control over the lives of worthless human scum

You will also run, you will need to think, you will need to hide and fight
back when armed forces come to take you down. You will have no mercy for
them, because they dare to stand in your way

Only brutality and destruction can cleanse this land. Only a killing spree
will make you die spectacularly and go to hell

This game coaching violent nature, only for sociopaths.

Yeah no. It really isn't. You're starting to sound like Fox News. It's just a generic twin-stick shooter with a laughable main character "Only my weapon understands me!"

It's really hard to actually take it seriously.

[video=youtube;iWKSopTFf2U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWKSopTFf2U[/video]

Also watch this:

[video=youtube;HXsE-Zwb_j4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXsE-Zwb_j4[/video]

 

[Hexen]

Hang on a sec... GTA detached from reality and not forcing specific mindset on the player? What? Are you talking about "GTA: Fantasy Edition" or something, because if you're talking about the GTA we all know, you're talking rubbish. GTA not imposing a certain mindset on a player??? Which GTA, the "GTA: Be A Good Guy" edition or something? Again, rubbish.

Also, are you suggesting that a very realistic game filled with extreme violence and promoting "gangsta" life style is perfectly fine and fun to play because it has a great storyline, and another realistic game filled with extreme violence is not OK, because it doesn't have a story?

Just listen to yourself.

A bit aggressive approach to a discussion don't you think? I expressed my opinion and you are disagree with it. Fine. But would you be pleased if I brand everything you just said as "rubbish" too?

In my original statement I provided plenty of games with rather dubious plots and activities. GTA just one of them. Postal 2 is even more crazier so what? That was not my point. Those games were giving you a choice, different approach to solve ingame quests, missions and such through various means. Game which have "Kill All Humans" as a plot behind it are somewhat different in my book. It's not "kill all bad guys" or "save the princess" either.

I bet no one will even remember this title in a few months.

I thought I already did... But yeah, I guess you right.

 

[Geers]

Y

A bit aggressive approach to a discussion don't you think? I expressed my opinion and you are disagree with it. Fine. But would you be pleased if I brand everything you just said as "rubbish" too?

In my original statement I provided plenty of games with rather dubious plots and activities. GTA just one of them. Postal 2 is even more crazier so what? That was not my point. Those games were giving you a choice, different approach to solve ingame quests, missions and such through various means. Game which have "Kill All Humans" as a plot behind it are somewhat different in my book. It's not "kill all bad guys" or "save the princess" either.

You're giving this game far too much credit. Go watch TB's review or something because frankly the game is not particularly special in any way other than the fact it inspired a big wave of clickbait articles and pompous nonsense.