Racial diversity among the powerplay lead figures

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Katkon

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Adept said:
Way to miss the point. That is precicely what makes him brilliant on so many levels.

a) Elba is an astonishing actor. He has the physical build for the role, and a truly remarkable voice.
b) Elba has an intimidating presense, which is great for Heimdall
c) The Gods in Marvel are aliens. They look human but they aren't. Heimdall's skintone is no more strange than his eyes, and can be seen to being linked to his powers.

d) The best reason. It brings the unthinking prejudices of the viewers out in public. People who are outraged or disturbed by a black viking god shoudl take a good look in the mirror and think about why this bothers them so much. Heimdall is practically a non-entity in the comics, but Idris Elba's character is great in the movies.

And this is, in part, why these pictures matter here as well. Scince Fiction matters. Good Sci-Fi is aware of the issues of the day, and deals with them. It's not just an easily digested burger.
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Thanks for making me laugh out loud! With the above logic you should be able to rationalize Reese Witherspoon playing Rosa Parks.
 

HeimdallofHavn

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Commander Starcloak said:
Hear hear. With all due courtesy to Cmdr Tenshi, that is simply incorrect. Those "inherent tendencies" are a myth, often pushed as an excuse to explain current imbalances when in fact such myths are often the very things responsible for holding back greater male-female equality as the social perception is that there is some kind of "inherent nature" which makes the female candidates less capable. In short, it's a self-perepetuating myth that contributes to the very imbalance it seeks to explain, whilst also serving as an apologist way of shutting down discussion about the causes behind it.

As for the other diversity issue in the thread, sad to say it does now seem to be descending into some folks saying it isn't needed and waving in outrage at political correctness, whilst others try to rebut them - instead of discussing the topic at hand.
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You are simply incorrect.

There is pretty much a scientific consensus (not that science is decided that way, but it is an indication) that gender differences are significant and that they exist from birth.
 

Defacto

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X2Eliah said:
Ditto.

Does anyone here disagree with the actual premise? (Specifically: More diversity for faction leaders would be good) Anyone opposing that? If no, then chill, please. Nobody's coming to take your games away.
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I think it's hard to disagree with that.

I see a lot of people here who appear to be terribly panicky about how this discussion is somehow compromising FD's visions or whatever, and must immediatly be closed. I really don't see the problem.
I've wondered a lot about how the ethnic and cultural division of the galaxy looks like. Since up until pretty recently, travel times were counted in weeks, I think that distant regions could develop pretty interesting and different cultures. It would be interesting to see how FD would represent things like these.
 

Gidio

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Adept said:
Way to miss the point. That is precicely what makes him brilliant on so many levels.

a) Elba is an astonishing actor. He has the physical build for the role, and a truly remarkable voice.
b) Elba has an intimidating presense, which is great for Heimdall
c) The Gods in Marvel are aliens. They look human but they aren't. Heimdall's skintone is no more strange than his eyes, and can be seen to being linked to his powers.

d) The best reason. It brings the unthinking prejudices of the viewers out in public. People who are outraged or disturbed by a black viking god shoudl take a good look in the mirror and think about why this bothers them so much. Heimdall is practically a non-entity in the comics, but Idris Elba's character is great in the movies.

And this is, in part, why these pictures matter here as well. Scince Fiction matters. Good Sci-Fi is aware of the issues of the day, and deals with them. It's not just an easily digested burger.
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To counter your "best reason": People who first see the skin color of a character before all the other aspects of that character are the ones who should take a good look in the mirror and think about why this bothers them so much.
I wouldn't like to bring up Freud because he was rubbish psychologist, but a lot of his theories about latent issues could apply to people like you who only see the color of a person instead of who he/she is.

Maybe you are so afraid to be considered racist, that you radicalize the other way, basically creating a zealot. Extremes are almost always bad, try to stay in the middle.
And that's what I believe Frontier has done very well with these characters, they're not all white men, but they aren't black women either. They're a mix of all kind of characters and, if looking at the subtle details, personalities. Which is the diversity we should be looking for, not the diversity of color, but the diversity of personality.
 
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Nicodemus

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Not having read the entire thread I may state something that someone else already has, if so apologies. After x thousands of years I would expect that humanity has interbred so much that skin tone is almost universal. This doesn't mean that there isn't some diversity and that some societies have largely stayed unchanged due to whatever political/social/religious reasons but I would sort of expect that we'd be more in universal harmony with each other than not. If I remember correctly the Mass Effect games mentioned something quite similar although it wasn't that obvious.
 

DidierDrbois

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Good! Following that eye-poppingly ridiculous article on Polygon, a healthy dose of political correctness, social justice, and neo-liberalism is just what ED (and Frontier I'm sure) needed.
 

Varrag

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Perhaps this has something to do with the target market for ED? Because, according to some polls that I've seen, this game is being mostly played in Europe, more specifically - Britain.

I am only guessing here. For as long as I am concerned, all those guys/gals could have been all Chinese, Indian, or an ultimate mix of all races on Earth which should result with light-brownish people with Asian eyes.
 
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Vandaahl

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Gidio said:
To counter your "best reason": People who first see the skin color of a character before all the other aspects of that character are the ones who should take a good look in the mirror and think about why this bothers them so much.
I wouldn't like to bring up Freud because he was rubbish psychologist, but a lot of his theories about latent issues could apply to people like you who only see the color of a person instead of who he/she is.

Maybe you are so afraid to be considered racist, that you radicalize the other way, basically creating a zealot. Extremes are almost always bad, try to stay in the middle.
And that's what I believe Frontier has done very well with these characters, they're not all white men, but they aren't black women either. They're a mix of all kind of characters and, if looking at the subtle details, personalities. Which is the diversity we should be looking for, not the diversity of color, but the diversity of personality.
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Bravo :D
 

LeetNoob

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Nicodemus said:
Not having read the entire thread I may state something that someone else already has, if so apologies. After x thousands of years I would expect that humanity has interbred so much that skin tone is almost universal. This doesn't mean that there isn't some diversity and that some societies have largely stayed unchanged due to whatever political/social/religious reasons but I would sort of expect that we'd be more in universal harmony with each other than not. If I remember correctly the Mass Effect games mentioned something quite similar although it wasn't that obvious.
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Southpark believed that too

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digitalscream

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Tinman said:
This thread has 15 pages.
The actual Powerplay update (patch) thread has 8.

Well...I guess people need something to do while waiting for the update to become available...
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To be honest, it seems to me that this thread is incontrovertible proof that no matter what FD do, there will be large sections of this community who just want to complain about every update...and will find reasons to do so regardless of the actual point of the update in the first place.
 

Helgarth

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The revelation of the characters should have been a great moment of joy for FD and instead of that, it should be a nightmare for them right know... Thank you to the OP and all the guys who see problems where there is no need to...

At their place I would suppress the Power Play thing and leave the game just like that!

Sad community...
 

jabberwalkie

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digitalscream said:
To be honest, it seems to me that this thread is incontrovertible proof that no matter what FD do, there will be large sections of this community who just want to complain about every update...and will find reasons to do so regardless of the actual point of the update in the first place.
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I thought most posts when something is changed from the status quo was indication of that.
 

Aute

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Gidio said:
To counter your "best reason": People who first see the skin color of a character before all the other aspects of that character are the ones who should take a good look in the mirror and think about why this bothers them so much.
I wouldn't like to bring up Freud because he was rubbish psychologist, but a lot of his theories about latent issues could apply to people like you who only see the color of a person instead of who he/she is.

Maybe you are so afraid to be considered racist, that you radicalize the other way, basically creating a zealot. Extremes are almost always bad, try to stay in the middle.
And that's what I believe Frontier has done very well with these characters, they're not all white men, but they aren't black women either. They're a mix of all kind of characters and, if looking at the subtle details, personalities. Which is the diversity we should be looking for, not the diversity of color, but the diversity of personality.
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this..thought its a bad joke when i saw the thread
 
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