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OillyRag

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Isn't everyone getting a bit bored with this.

Beachlight is never going to accept that this is a PC game no matter how carefully reasoned the arguments, and although he is being polite (If a little snide at times) he is exhibiting classic troll like behaviour and i thing we should just stop feeding him. Eventually he will have to go away or at least change the bloody subject.
I will start by committing not to contribute to this thread anymore

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Beachlight7 said:
I put a lot of effort into making my views known, trying with SC mods and CIG to get console debate going, it was extremely difficult with mods deleting everything I said, until they eventually made a PC vs console thread, as if that was what I wanted. All I wanted was not to compare but to just promote the console market for space sim.
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Mods please take this of topic it has nothing to do with elite and a lot to do with Beachlight's personal crusade.
 
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Memnoch

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The Space Pirate said:
Piracy is a non issue; if that was a real concern for devs. there would be no AAA games on PC...
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It always was. The real enemy to them and the publishers is the second hand sales market. The whole point of DRM was never to stop piracy as it couldn't. It was to stop legitimate purchasers from getting cheap copies of their games without giving any money to the people that made them.

DRM and the publishers are the enemy, not some kid with a de-compiler. :)
 

The Space Pirate

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Memnoch said:
It always was. The real enemy to them and the publishers is the second hand sales market. The whole point of DRM was never to stop piracy as it couldn't. It was to stop legitimate purchasers from getting cheap copies of their games without giving any money to the people that made them.

DRM and the publishers are the enemy, not some kid with a de-compiler. :)
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Yeah well they've killed the 2nd hand PC games market stone dead, haven't they? You don't get PC games these days without them being tied to some goddamn account or other.

Still, what with Steam sales and such like, I don't feel the need to buy 2nd hand any more. The vast majority of my games these days are bought really cheap from Steam sales.
 

Memnoch

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That would work. And once again Steam have done their level best to incentivise having all your games under one account, what with the Community, Items, trading, badges, your Steam "level". All of it, other than the forums, fairly pointless fluff to most people I would guess.
 

Im_Lost

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The Space Pirate said:
Yeah well they've killed the 2nd hand PC games market stone dead, haven't they? You don't get PC games these days without them being tied to some goddamn account or other.

Still, what with Steam sales and such like, I don't feel the need to buy 2nd hand any more. The vast majority of my games these days are bought really cheap from Steam sales.
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Well. A lot of people just sell the account along with the game in these situations so it doesn't really prevent it (I have done this myself in the past). Just make sure you don't create accounts using your real details and theres nothing linking it to you personaly :)

But yea, when you can pick up games for £3 on steam it's usually not worth it.
 
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Lestat

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I did find a good read when my nephew told me he had to upgrade his hard drive on Xbox 360 for Battlefield 4. When I look up Battlefield 4 and consoles I found a lot of the same issues. In small writing It says it not compatible with his hard drive.

So Consoles have issues just like PC.

Just do a search on "xbox360 need hard drive to play battlefield 4"

I know what the lame excuse will be. Well it a older unit or it a Xbox 360.
 

huwthomas

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The Space Pirate said:
Piracy is a non issue; if that was a real concern for devs. there would be no AAA games on PC - no Call of Duty, no Mass Effect, no GTA, no Fifa, no Battlefield or Bioshock - the list goes on. And yet there they all are.

What are the reasons for - let's say - Fight Night not coming to PC? Madden was on PC until a few years back, but never Fight Night. What, do EA think Madden is a more mainstream game than a boxing game is??

I spent some time at the WWE games forums and the overall impression I got from the console gamers there were that a PC version would somehow detract from the console version (funny joke, that).

Before, there were multiple excuses. No decent controllers for example - well that hasn't been the case for years. Besides, don't all games start life on a PC to begin with?
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Piracy was only one potential issue that I mentioned as an example. It might be that none of the reasons for console-exclusivity withstand scrutiny, but if the managers and financiers (not the gamers!) believe a reason stands ... then for practical purposes, it does. Even if it leads to arguably wrong-headed outcomes like customer-hostile DRM.

The point I really wanted to make was that yes, there are console exclusive games but so what? ED does not exist to remedy that perceived unfairness, it exists to be a great space sim and to make profit for Frontier. (There may well be valid reasons for not wanting a console port, but "t1t-for-tat" is not one of them).
 

huwthomas

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"The one valid reason I can see for Elite being PC-only is if console support would risk crippling the PC version. I'm confident that it wouldn't, but reassurance from Frontier on that subject would save a lot of forum-noise IMO."
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I just read this and though, wow, that sounds sorta childish (no offence). There are completely unrelated reasons why lot of console to PC ports are done badly - mostly because they are cash in, developed in much shorter time period, etc. etc. GTA5 PC version will take long time come - but it will look multiple times better. Still, does it mean console version is that bad? Not really.
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Did I say it would be bad? From what I understand of the PS4, it seems technically quite feasible to do a decent port in due course.

I don't think FD doesn't have to promise anything. It is their game, after they deliver on backer's promises they have free reign to do what they want with their copyrighted work. They're aware about issues with console limitations, and they have drawn developer plan *first*, thus indicating that they want to get named features one way or another. It's doable, just it takes more time than cheap ports we see a lot these days. As far as ED PC vs. console discussion goes, they have biggest expertise in this matter.
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I just said it would save forum noise if they did. Specifically, if they do decide to do a console port, I think they would be very wise to reassure the existing backers. Can't see how that's childish. (see Chris Roberts's response to similar concerns, nipping in the bud what (IMO) might have been a lot of forum rage).
 
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Beachlight7

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Trying to find a point we can all agree on is that there should be an announcement from Frontier about PS4 and Elite. It has been a year now, their plans must be quite well set so far time for a bit of sharing. But maybe Sony needs to see the final game in order to do a deal I don't know. But only a few months to go.
 

tooterfish

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Eh, that's a pretty entitled point of view.

Frontier have said they'll look into console ports at some point in the future, there's your announcement right there.

They can't say either way whether there will or won't be, because they don't know themselves yet. I wouldn't expect a definitive answer for quite some time.
 

Beachlight7

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tooterfish said:
Eh, that's a pretty entitled point of view.

Frontier have said they'll look into console ports at some point in the future, there's your announcement right there.

They can't say either way whether there will or won't be, because they don't know themselves yet. I wouldn't expect a definitive answer for quite some time.
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So you are making a categorical statement that Frontier dont know what they are doing?
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http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Elite:_Dangerous_FAQ



That's fairly clear I think.
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Perfectly clear, but time has passed since then. They may have set some plans in place, they could share a plan even if it has not began.


They might not know yet, but if they do they should let us know if they are able to.
 
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Robert Maynard

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Beachlight7 said:
So you are making a categorical statement that Frontier dont know what they are doing?
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I don't think he was making any such statement. Rather that Frontier may not yet have made any decision regarding console releases. As to whether Frontier know what they are doing, I would hazard a guess that most backers are content that FD are going about their business and in this instance creating the PC (then Mac) releases of Elite: Dangerous.
 

Beachlight7

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I'm content they are working on Elite, I would like to know any updates on plans seeing as a year has gone by.
But I can wait until March.
 

insanephoton

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The priority has to be the PC game. If the PC game bombs, they might just make the Mac version, as they seem to be obliged to, but that would most likely be it.

If the PC game is a success, then it's entirely up to Frontier whether they make console versions or not. The same argument goes for a Linux version.
 
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