Elite Dangerous..........

[kreuzbichler]

im not saying that he wont get released but if he fail to deliver what they promised then the uproar would be huge ;p

i have checked out this game and from what I see it launches with all the same that ED is promising they just work on everything at the same time and launch with everything at the same time, which is massive.
they even do a story for single player, I didn´t know that, how much work it is one can only imagine.

I think they could have launched with only space and no player character long ago, just generating lots of space and let you trade some commodity with an abstracted list? It would have been finished long ago.

 

[m3ntal]

No. If you bother to come up with serious criticisms based on even a rudimentary understanding of the game, sure. But random insults won't entice me to educate you. You don't like/get it? Fine, but how is that my problem?

Keep it Elite Dangerous silly billy. I get the game, which is why I now only play for a few days after an update. My point here silly billy is simply to say Elite Dangerous WILL crash and burn, the slope has started happening already, there is no more hype surrounding the game, many of its players have left or play the game very little these days. Like Ive said, Elite is very good for what it's done at this point in time, it really is, it's benefitted the whole space genre and enticed new players into the genre, but it's simply a stepping stone game for future games, it will not have a following when game like Star Citizen etc etc. the die hard fan boys felt just the same about other Elite releases, what happened to those. Get some balls silly billy and admit to yourself your not going to play this anymore when the forum dies and there is no longer any players left in the mmo just a handful of fanboys. Please educate me regarding what I've just said here then I won't tease any more I promise Anyway, it's the next 6 months to a year that will tell you everything, people are going to be more and more dissatisfied with the procedural universe.

Let's break the Power play patch down, it's brilliant that FD have introduced this for the die hard fans who actually care about something a little different in the game, but realistically all it is basically is a slightly different way of playing things, to make things slightly less monotonous of the usual grind. However it's still only a hand ful of fan boys getting a little more for their money interacting with NPC factions, that's it NPC factions. If that's all FD have come up wth so far apart from a few bug fixes and a few new ships then it's already crashed in my honest opinion. Why did they release Power Play, I personally think they listened to critiques, people like myself both in this post and other posts I've made on this forum and introduced something that is supposed to keep people happy away from the usual grind, and unfortunately that's what the game has become for many people simply a grind. It's not just me buddy it's all over the Internet, apart from die hard fan boys people are losing interest.

A game cannot and will not last t test of time like EVE unless they consistently attract new players to buy into FD games, unfortunately people are not going to keep buying into the game simply because it boring now doing the same old same old. Maybe they should of stuck with the single player as opposed to sucking in a few more people buy calling it a mmo, it's a mmo most definately, but it's that bloody big there's no point in even travelling the system to only encounter NPC's and the same old quite frankly boring and monotonous graphics. There's always going to be fan boys like yourself in whatever game you play, then there's other people who just enjoy variety and buy the most interesting and exciting games they can, it's what we gamers do. Look at things like this, if you had to pay a monthly fee to play this game ? If a lot of people would then it may not crash as Eve hasn't after 10+ years. Would you go and pay $150 for a ship in this game ? No you wouldn't because there is no appeal to the majority of real gamers out there, who really don't want to constantly play against NPC mechanics, that's what we have single player games right ?

You our can shoot me down as much as you want in here buddy it's cool I won't get offended, I love to critique and talk and debate, it's good to do this, that's what helps move things forward and change.

Hopefully speak on here soon buddy

 

[AirpainFood]

IMHO, I feel that Frontier told the public about this games existence too early. If nobody knew about it, they would have more time to make the game better. However, the game was announced very early in its development, and they didn't want to keep everyone waiting for full release. Really, this should be considered a beta. There just isn't enough here to justify it being a full game.


~AirpainFood~

 

[Patrick_68000]

IMHO, I feel that Frontier told the public about this games existence too early. If nobody knew about it, they would have more time to make the game better. However, the game was announced very early in its development, and they didn't want to keep everyone waiting for full release. Really, this should be considered a beta. There just isn't enough here to justify it being a full game.


~AirpainFood~

I think that the financial resources were insufficient to continue to develop the game and attract the investors for the company. This would explain the premature release of the game

 

[m3ntal]

I think that the financial resources were insufficient to continue to develop the game and attract the investors for the company. This would explain the premature release of the game

Another good point there buddy, didn't look at it that way before either, but thinking about it now it does make quite a bit of sense.

Thank you for replying

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IMHO, I feel that Frontier told the public about this games existence too early. If nobody knew about it, they would have more time to make the game better. However, the game was announced very early in its development, and they didn't want to keep everyone waiting for full release. Really, this should be considered a beta. There just isn't enough here to justify it being a full game.


~AirpainFood~

Unfortunately this too seems very true indeed, again though I think that's more of a money thing, but I guess you can't blame them for that, FD are only there for the business much like every other software company, unless of course you produce an Indie release that blows socks off

Thank you for replying buddy

 

[m3ntal]

are you a backer?

Hello buddy, yes I'm both a backer of Elite and Star Citizen, I was excited by both titles and wanted to see more games of this genre, unfortunately no longer excited by Elite and more about Star Citizen, but that's only natural for gamers though right ?

Thank you for replying buddy

 

[m3ntal]

dunno graphics are not the strength, not because what is there does not look good enough, but there is just not much of it

the cockpits are all run off the mill same interface/layout
the actual ship interiors are still misssing for walk
visual representation of cargo missing
no people anywhere all we have are 10 pictures of people
stations are just a handful with very minor procedural (?) variation
the space itself was probably very easy to make when they got the algorithms already early on
etc.

what is there looks okay though, nice fx

Have to agree with you there too buddy, the whole graphical lay out of warps and backdrop of space has been done before in a few other games, including games on the iPad, but again what they have done with the graphics have moved on slightly which I understand too, but nothing really there to get excited about now unfortunately though. I was blown away by the glimpse videos before the game was released in before beta, which is why I was so excited, it blew me away so to speak, now I'm not so excited because there are other amazing games coming in this genre which appear to have taken things to a new level, which is only a good thing and therefore we can be thankful to FD for trying so hard and moving on development of other games in the not to distant future by other software companies.

Thank you for replying buddy

 

[Patrick_68000]

Another good point there buddy, didn't look at it that way before either, but thinking about it now it does make quite a bit of sense

Yes, David has always said that the level of requirements of the players is very high. And a company of medium-sized as Frontier, can not satisfy the high level of requirements in a very short time for of software development, especially for a game, extremely complex as ED

 

[m3ntal]

6 months since release. Some people want Lave on a stick!

6 months plus buddy and it appears to me the game is still in beta, and all we be had to show is Power Play where you can help NPC factions ??? NPC factions for heavens sake buddy, where is the whole mmo aspect ??? Or maybe they should of just left the game as single player ?

Let me know what you think buddy and thank you for replying

 

[m3ntal]

Yes, David has always said that the level of requirements of the players is very high. And a company of medium-sized as Frontier, can not satisfy the high level of requirements in a very short time for of software development, especially for a game, extremely complex as ED

Maybe be that will be another factor in its crash and burn buddy, it has to satisfy, every game that we pay for has to satisfy, or we move on to the next best thing right ? that's the whole point of a business isn't it ? If it doesn't attract and keep attracting then it's obvious it's going to crash and burn. Which leads on to the other point you made by satisfying a high level of requirements in a very short time, I wouldn't really same that it's complex though buddy, in fact it's not complex at all really is it ? You have your usual storyline as other games do, then you either work towards your own goal or choose to help NPC factions or ships, if your talking about the flight mechanics then that's certainly not complex, could you let me know what is complex about the game ??

Anyway, I went off on a tangent there for a second, getting back to the point you made about satisfying requirements in such a short time, that simply leads to points others have made on here when they say the game was released far to early, it's barely out of beta if at all. However as I've mentioned I can see why they've done that, simply for the money aspect, it's a business as I've said, just like other companies, release games with a huge amount of problems when they shouldn't ie Ubisoft, but that's a different debate altogether there.

Let me known your views buddy and what you believe to be complex about the game.

Thank you for replying

 

[Nicodemus]

M3ntal, you say keep it about Elite Dangerous yet you've been posting about STAR Citizen, one would have to point it out that you too need to keep it about Elite Dangerous Anyhow, each to their own, Elite needs and will receive more updates/bug fixes/content over time. All this dancing on soapboxes, tub thumping your disgruntlement is really just hot air currently. No game is perfect at launch, and that old army saying of "no plan survives contact with the enemy" is also very true for games. What "we" want and over hype ourselves for in a game has to be tempered with reality. Elite is no different from any other game, it has the potential to be fantastic IF it is given time to do so. EvE took more than a year to start to evolve from being a mining simulator in space. Bit by bit it evolved into the Goliath it is now, the patient stuck with it, the impatient and the ignorant left early, and many just kept dipping their toe in from time to time to see what had changed and if it was for them.

I backed this game knowing full well that the first time to actually start making disgruntled comments would be a year after launch, not 2 months, not 4 or 6 or 8, but 12 months after launch. If nothing had changed then I'd either vote with my feet or try and improve the game by being vocal. As it is, even though some aspects of what they have added aren't exactly my cup of tea, I'm happy they have added it. Too many on here are complaining about feature y or x or z not being implemented or changed or removed or fixed or whatever, and things do get changed/fixed/added but maybe not as quickly as some people want. Everything takes time, especially in an evolving game. What a lot of folks are forgetting, yourself included, is that what we have today may not be what we have in another 6 months, and instead of politely saying, "this currently isn't for me, what can we expect for the next update" we get the "I want, I want, I want, my opinion is the only one you should listen to" brigade posting negative thread after negative thread.

Constructive criticism is great, entitled negative feedback isn't. I, like you, want Elite to succeed and to improve, however unlike you, I have the patience to realise that "no plan survives contact with the enemy" and that what FD put out today may not necessarily be what I want to see, yet I also know that reality has to take priority over a wish list. Folks always harp on about the DDF, the DDF was never going to be "Included features" but more a guideline of ideas. Those ideas, for better or worse, may or may not be added, but it does not mean that those ideas don't bare fruit in the future.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

M3ntal, you say keep it about Elite Dangerous yet you've been posting about Scam Citizen,

regardless of anything else........ I think you calling Chris Roberts a scam merchant is way out of order...... I am a backer of SC too, and whilst Elite is my number 1, I am still confident SC (actually for me S42) will be a great game, and without proof you should not be calling it a scam

 

[Ian Phillips]

Please do not descend to mud slinging.

 

[Nicodemus]

Maybe, maybe not. I really don't like the method that they are using to gain money. So far, for all that money, very little has been produced for the paying public to experience, and yet they are still asking for more by releasing more ships to gain more features in a never ending cycle. I hope it does get released and that it is successful, but that does not stop me from labeling it for how I see it currently. So to counter you Mad Mike, until they release something of worth for all that money and continual raking in of money, I'll nickname that for now.

 

[Sabalias]

I think that the financial resources were insufficient to continue to develop the game and attract the investors for the company. This would explain the premature release of the game

Insightful......

Sabalias

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Maybe, maybe not. I really don't like the method that they are using to gain money. So far, for all that money, very little has been produced for the paying public to experience, and yet they are still asking for more by releasing more ships to gain more features in a never ending cycle. I hope it does get released and that it is successful, but that does not stop me from labeling it for how I see it currently. So to counter you Mad Mike, until they release something of worth for all that money and continual raking in of money, I'll nickname that for now.

I believe in innocent till proven guilty. No one has to throw much money at it, indeed, my beta access to SC was (far) cheaper than my premium access to ED.

 

[m3ntal]

M3ntal, you say keep it about Elite Dangerous yet you've been posting about STAR Citizen, one would have to point it out that you too need to keep it about Elite Dangerous Anyhow, each to their own, Elite needs and will receive more updates/bug fixes/content over time. All this dancing on soapboxes, tub thumping your disgruntlement is really just hot air currently. No game is perfect at launch, and that old army saying of "no plan survives contact with the enemy" is also very true for games. What "we" want and over hype ourselves for in a game has to be tempered with reality. Elite is no different from any other game, it has the potential to be fantastic IF it is given time to do so. EvE took more than a year to start to evolve from being a mining simulator in space. Bit by bit it evolved into the Goliath it is now, the patient stuck with it, the impatient and the ignorant left early, and many just kept dipping their toe in from time to time to see what had changed and if it was for them.

I backed this game knowing full well that the first time to actually start making disgruntled comments would be a year after launch, not 2 months, not 4 or 6 or 8, but 12 months after launch. If nothing had changed then I'd either vote with my feet or try and improve the game by being vocal. As it is, even though some aspects of what they have added aren't exactly my cup of tea, I'm happy they have added it. Too many on here are complaining about feature y or x or z not being implemented or changed or removed or fixed or whatever, and things do get changed/fixed/added but maybe not as quickly as some people want. Everything takes time, especially in an evolving game. What a lot of folks are forgetting, yourself included, is that what we have today may not be what we have in another 6 months, and instead of politely saying, "this currently isn't for me, what can we expect for the next update" we get the "I want, I want, I want, my opinion is the only one you should listen to" brigade posting negative thread after negative thread.

Constructive criticism is great, entitled negative feedback isn't. I, like you, want Elite to succeed and to improve, however unlike you, I have the patience to realise that "no plan survives contact with the enemy" and that what FD put out today may not necessarily be what I want to see, yet I also know that reality has to take priority over a wish list. Folks always harp on about the DDF, the DDF was never going to be "Included features" but more a guideline of ideas. Those ideas, for better or worse, may or may not be added, but it does not mean that those ideas don't bare fruit in the future.

Hello buddy, you started off quite negative immediately saying Scam Citizen ??? Not sure why, that's hardly what I expected from someone who obviously enjoys communication and as articulate as yourself.

All negative and non negative is constructive isn't it ? As long as it in some way sticks to the topic. Like you say though everyone has their own points of view, if they want to blast me or not I don't mind buddy, I'm just trying my best to reply to everyone and keep the debate open

I really did and still do hope Elite becomes a brilliant game which attracts players to keep the game alive for both us the gamers and for FD, it's just what they've given us so far including Power Play just isn't enough to keep people happy, and I know everyone can't be happy that's why they me on to the next best thing regardless of patience. You have to have patience with any game you play don't you ? However the patience people have with a game is their individualality though isn't it ? Most people can tell if they are going to have patience to continue with any game, either they do or don't, but if games don't appeal to so many people and they fail to attract new gamers to buy into their software then the game isn't going anywhere. This unfortunately is what I beileve is already happening with Elite, at the moment three is nothing like it, but when games do eventually materialise not just Star Citizen then people will buy into them. Elite has to do something drastic to entice more players or they will inevitably crash like so many other games. That's not bad buddy is it, there's always going to be something bigger and better down the line, and thank heavens it works that way right Eve knew they had to mix things up to keep up their player base, they tried to do that when they released there station add on for the ps4 which did benefit in game on the pc, then they mixed things up with zero zero. In Eve though pretty much everything helped and benefitted the players, not just helped NPC factions

Personally I can't see Elite standing the test of time unfortunately buddy, certainly no where near like Eve, if FD fail to attract new players regularly then we all know what's going to happen either way though I'm happy they brought the game out, and set a marker for things to come.

I don't mean any malice in what I say buddy, I think you know I really do want Elite to blow everything away and go from strength to strength, but if they don't soon then people will just move on, it's all about the business for FD and every other software company right, no clients providing money then no business and no money to pay wages and no one to move things forward. Fingers crossed they do improve right and attract lots more players by trying as best they can to keep people as happy as they can, but they have to keep the masses happy not just a few fan boys, I know you understand what I mean because of they way you have written and your thoughts and views

Thank you so much for replying buddy, love it Chat soon hopefully

 

[m3ntal]

I believe in innocent till proven guilty. No one has to throw much money at it, indeed, my beta access to SC was (far) cheaper than my premium access to ED.

I agree somewhat buddy, it's satisfaction or failure, fulfilment or disappointment, either way though I guess people like us don't really mind spending the money we do on games, it's my hobby so I don't care honestly, I'll invest in a game I think looks good and will play well, if not then so be it and I'll just move on.

Thank you for replying buddy

 

[Nicodemus]

Heh, M3ntal, read my above post to Mad Mike for my reasons

 

[m3ntal]

Maybe, maybe not. I really don't like the method that they are using to gain money. So far, for all that money, very little has been produced for the paying public to experience, and yet they are still asking for more by releasing more ships to gain more features in a never ending cycle. I hope it does get released and that it is successful, but that does not stop me from labeling it for how I see it currently. So to counter you Mad Mike, until they release something of worth for all that money and continual raking in of money, I'll nickname that for now.

Hello again

Just buy into every game you like, if it's a wrong choice then that's ok too, it's our hobbies right, some people collect this and that as their hobbies, we collect and play games, and we love it right

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Please do not descend to mud slinging.

I apologise for myself Ian, just want a good debate, I'll keep things on my part cool and fun