Rank 5 not worth it for PP

The trouble is PP isn't worth the effort, full stop. If I wanted to play a Command & Conquer/Risk type game, then I'd buy one. Trouble is I hate that style of game. But each to their own ... ;)
 
1) stop grinding
2) Search the forum for "bucket list" posts
3) do interesting things for a few weeks. Ignore credits per hour entirely

Now you will have found interesting mechanics to keep yourself occupied
 
How much merits are you even making off of bounties? you would need to make almost 3k merits each week off of bounties plus the 400 tonnes per day, 400x7= 2800, needing 5400 each week to maintain 50 million, and that's only after actually getting to 10k merits and maintaining 10merits for a full week cycle

I guess you didn't read this bit:

If you're rank 5,

I'm not going to disagree, you need to put in some hard yards in one week to hit that, but once you hit it, sustaining it is a lot easier. If it seems hard, use *exactly the same logic* i used there to maintain Rank 4. It's 10% of the effort for comparable rewards.

How many merits off bounties? 15 merits per supercruise kill. 3000 / 15 = 200.
But 7 days of 400 tonnes is 2800, so you actually only need 2600 off kills, so it's 2600/15 = 173.33 (175 for a nice round figure of 25 per day)
Bounties in the combat zones are 1 merit each and, imo, need rebalancing. So I take the path of least resistance.

Also, I'm guessing the thought of gradually working your way up to Rank 5 didn't cross your mind. Yeah sure, it's going to be a hard slog to get 10,000 merits in one week, but maybe you get 2500 for three weeks, which puts you up to roughly 4.3k merits, then slog out one week for 6000 merits, then you can sustain that for another week or two. Maybe it slips and you drop rank,, but rank 5 isn't meant to be easy.

I'll personally probably sit around Rank 4 easily enough. But there's people who'll comfortably rope in rank 5. Some already have...
 
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Its amazing how we get 20 threads a day, 10 are about how nobody can get rank 5 because of the decay woe is me what an awful game, and the other 10 are about how rank 5 isn't worth anything why would anyone want it woe is me.

Its almost like rank 5 both doesn't matter and wasn't intended to be bought

I honestly wish there was a better barometer for these things other than the extra threads about how everything is bad and FD should feel bad. I'm out of energy for the white knighting. All I can do is just keep enjoying what they've done and hope the threads don't change it for the worse.
 
I already have more money than i need. I just do it for the rosy glow of satisfaction you get for a job well done. A bit like volunteering at the local food bank...
 
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Many of us on this forum were talking about if you earned 5.33-5.334k merits per week you could stay at 10k merits and earn rating 5 bonuses each week. Problem is we assumed it would still cost 100k to reset the system that unlocks the commodity purchase from controlled systems(starts at 10 tons at rating 1). It's 10 thousand merits per commodity, for example; it's costing me 150k to unlock 15 commodities. The idea of being able to make credits off this system was you would get to rank 4, pay 40-50 million credits to get to rank 5, then pay 12.5 million each week to stay at rank 5 but now it would costs far more to get to rank 5 then you could pay, and I can't imagine making it to rating 5 unless without paying to unlock commodities unless you're coming back to your computer every half our of every day, or are really good at gaining merits through combat, and investing a LOT of time, so much time that you could easily be making more elsewhere. I'm creating this thread because I'm at a loss of what I can do in elite dangerous right now, I came back for powerplay hoping there would be interesting mechanics to keep myself occupied with, and there is, but I'm not really making many credits and I'm kind of stuck in a Type 7 until I can grind out another 40 million to get a Python with a couple basic upgrades.

Where did you get these values?

If you start at Rating 1 and 0 merits and will pay for the reallocation of the actions, you will spend ~90-100M Cr to get 10000 merits. As you are Rating 1 you will get only 1000 Cr during the first cycle only of course.

Then 1/2 of your merits carries over to the next cycle, meaning that you will have 5000 merits carried over and will have to earn 5000 merits. You will pay around ~40M Cr for that and you will get 50M Cr at the next Cycle switch.

During the third Cycle you will have 1/2 of the merits carried over from the Cycle 2 and 1/4 from Cycle 1, i.e. you will have 7500 merits, and you will be lacking 2500 merits to maintain rating 5. This is going to cost you around ~20M Cr and you will earn 50M Cr.

During the fourth Cycle you will have 1/2 of the merits carried over from Cycle 3, 1/4 from Cycle 2 and 1/8 from Cycle 1, i.e. you will have 8750 merits, with 1250 merits lacking to maintain rating 5.

This means that if my understanding of merit decay is correct, starting with Cycle 6 you will be making ~40 Cr per cycle.
 
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Rank 2 for Hudson is currently giving me 40% increased bounty turn in isnt it? For 100 merits, which you can get for killing 7 ships. Just say I get 2 mil bounties in an hour, I get 600k of extra credits due to being rank 2? Surely that is worth it or have I got it totally wrong?
 
I don't understand why when I kill someone in a CZ I get a bond for tens of thousand cr and a PP kill gives me 100cr.

Bc in case one they have to pay you to make you do it bc you are a mercenary
and in case to they don't ( bc you are a volunteer ) which means that they will save money and be able top reecruit mercenarys on top of having you around...
 
Where did you get these values?

If you start at Rating 1 and 0 merits and will pay for the reallocation of the actions, you will spend ~90-100M Cr to get 10000 merits. As you are Rating 1 you will get only 1000 Cr during the first cycle only of course.

Then 1/2 of your merits carries over to the next cycle, meaning that you will have 5000 merits carried over and will have to earn 5000 merits. You will pay around ~40M Cr for that and you will get 50M Cr at the next Cycle switch.
First cycle you keep 100% of credits then they decay. So if you get 10000 merit cycle 1, you still have them until end of cycle 2 - get rank 5 reward and then your credits from cycle 1 are halved. At least that is how it appears to work.

As for the OP, I think it is spot on that you cant simple buy it all and then make a massive profit. The trick is to earn as much as you can for no cost and then buy the remainder.
 
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Rank 2 for Hudson is currently giving me 40% increased bounty turn in isnt it? For 100 merits, which you can get for killing 7 ships. Just say I get 2 mil bounties in an hour, I get 600k of extra credits due to being rank 2? Surely that is worth it or have I got it totally wrong?

No you are not wrong. However its a bit of a special occasion bc Hudson being ranked very highly amongst the powers...
 
Rank 2 for Hudson is currently giving me 40% increased bounty turn in isnt it? For 100 merits, which you can get for killing 7 ships. Just say I get 2 mil bounties in an hour, I get 600k of extra credits due to being rank 2? Surely that is worth it or have I got it totally wrong?

You better stop making sense. People might start actually enjoying the rewards. What would we come to the forum for then? I can't wait for that 100% increase from Arissa that I assume stacks with the rank 2 and also the exploitation bonus. Even if it doesn't, 100% increase man...
 
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No you are not wrong. However its a bit of a special occasion bc Hudson being ranked very highly amongst the powers...
As someone who mainly does bounty hunting even at the standard 20% I would still be making a sizable additional profit (2mil) on say 10mil bounties in a cycle. All for something I managed to do whilst eating my breakfast this morning.
 
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Where did you get these values?

If you start at Rating 1 and 0 merits and will pay for the reallocation of the actions, you will spend ~90-100M Cr to get 10000 merits. As you are Rating 1 you will get only 1000 Cr during the first cycle only of course.

Then 1/2 of your merits carries over to the next cycle, meaning that you will have 5000 merits carried over and will have to earn 5000 merits. You will pay around ~40M Cr for that and you will get 50M Cr at the next Cycle switch.

During the third Cycle you will have 1/2 of the merits carried over from the Cycle 2 and 1/4 from Cycle 1, i.e. you will have 7500 merits, and you will be lacking 2500 merits to maintain rating 5. This is going to cost you around ~20M Cr and you will earn 50M Cr.

During the fourth Cycle you will have 1/2 of the merits carried over from Cycle 3, 1/4 from Cycle 2 and 1/8 from Cycle 1, i.e. you will have 8750 merits, with 1250 merits lacking to maintain rating 5.

This means that if my understanding of merit decay is correct, starting with Cycle 6 you will be making ~40 Cr per cycle.

That's assuming you have a couple hundred million credits to start with, and even then you're investing so much time and you're only getting a little bit back, you're math is wrong at the end, at the end you will be needing around 5300 credits earned per week to keep yourself at 10k merits, which you would have to pay 50 million to maintain, which means after 6 weeks of investing a LOT of credits and time you're still in the hole.
 
That's assuming you have a couple hundred million credits to start with, and even then you're investing so much time and you're only getting a little bit back, you're math is wrong at the end, at the end you will be needing around 5300 credits earned per week to keep yourself at 10k merits, which you would have to pay 50 million to maintain, which means after 6 weeks of investing a LOT of credits and time you're still in the hole.

Guess what you can also do. Go kill ships in enemy territory for 15 merits per kill, all for the low low price of fuel and minor ship integrity costs that you'd be spending with the cargo route as well.
 
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Guess what you can also do. Go kill ships in enemy territory for 15 merits per kill, all for the low low price of fuel and minor ship integrity costs that you'd be spending with the cargo route as well.
In a type 7? and I'm not going to sell that for a vulture if that's what you're thinking.
 
That's assuming you have a couple hundred million credits to start with, and even then you're investing so much time and you're only getting a little bit back, you're math is wrong at the end, at the end you will be needing around 5300 credits earned per week to keep yourself at 10k merits, which you would have to pay 50 million to maintain, which means after 6 weeks of investing a LOT of credits and time you're still in the hole.

Where did you get it from?

Your merit total from the previous cycle is halved then added to your current cycle value. After two cycles, its value is halved again before being added. After three cycles, the value is halved once more. After four cycles the value is no longer added.

Of course, I assume that you already have 100M Cr to get there.

C1 = 10k Merits, 95M Cr spent;
C2 = 1/2 x C1 = 5k merits, you need to get 5k merits to maintain 10k merits; 41M Cr spent, 1000 Cr earned;
C3 = 1/2 x C2 + 1/4 x C1 = 5k + 2.5 k, 2.5k merits are required, 20M Cr spent, 50M Cr earned;
C4 = 1/2 x C3 + 1/4 x C2 + 1/8 x C1 = 8.75k merits, 1.25k additional merits are required, 10M Cr spent, 50M Cr earned;
C5 = 1/2 x C4 + 1/4 x C3 + 1/8 x C2 + 0 x C1 = 8.75k merits, 1.25k additional merits are required, 10M Cr spent, 50M Cr earned.

Where I am wrong?
 
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As someone who mainly does bounty hunting even at the standard 20% I would still be making a sizable additional profit (2mil) on say 10mil bounties in a cycle. All for something I managed to do whilst eating my breakfast this morning.

I agree. You are certainly right but I don't even want to go this way. PP is not about profit - its about helping a faction you believe in.

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In a type 7? and I'm not going to sell that for a vulture if that's what you're thinking.

Wrong ship then
 
I agree. You are certainly right but I don't even want to go this way. PP is not about profit - its about helping a faction you believe in.
Ahhh for you it may be but my back story is that I am a money grabbing merc. Will kill anything for a price. Dont get me wrong I am not all about credits but I am certainly not fighting for Hudson because of his sparkling personality.
 
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