Vaka hasn't been fixed yet. It has military strikes instead of crime sweeps, and the military strikes aren't even working. 
A Lavigny-Duval Supporters, Stop Prepping Peraesii and Guathiti
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Can somebody please explain to me how an extraction system with the cheapest Palladium prices in the civilised galaxy is not a good candidate for expansion.
It appears that expansion is driven by an arbitrary command factor and has frak all all to do with the actual system value.
What determines a systems CC value ?
It appears that expansion is driven by an arbitrary command factor and has frak all all to do with the actual system value.
What determines a systems CC value ?
Population?
"CC is received from systems under the control of a power. The bigger the population of a system, the greater the amount of CC can be exploited from it."
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Can it be made profitable ?
My *beef* is that PP has absolutely no frakkin clue about the true value of systems.
Peraessi can support a fleet of Condas draggin precious metals within sector and generating a lot of cash that can be invested in power moves.
The systems that are effectively high value by definition of PP are arbitrary and have less trade value but large CC generation.
Please prove me wrong with relevant metrics.
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I saw that post by the pro-goon-pro ( or was it the CODE ? ) and it seems to be that a number of 'infiltrators' have pledged to Arissa in order to cause over-spend and subsequent collapse.
A bit brilliantly twisted in their twistedly brilliant (and only mildly annoying) way. Fifth Columnists. Nerd-Ninjas.
But Hey! It keeps them off the streets.
I wish people like these goons would get a welfair paycheck increase, and be able to spend it on more weed, and chill on the couch a bit more.
The good thing is we can play this game without power play... if we see this to be broken and people doing stuff like that, its not like this game is EVE online where CCP did nothing to hinder this crap.
After the first cycle you will see where it gets you if you make the wrong choices early on. Lets see how the "Let people have fun and let them play" works out at the end. All I have to do is unpledge and join someone else if I don't like it after all. However, you are correct let them play.
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I am not telling anybody to do anything.
I am in full agreement that we should be having fun.
My point is simply that Peraesii is a bloody good system.
We're not telling people what to do. We're offering suggestions of better systems to prepare so that the power as a whole prospers. Whether or not they follow those suggestions is up to them. If there was zero communication and we just let people do whatever they want, I doubt Arissa would stay in the top 5 for very long.
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... and Guathiti is getting even MORE preparation now.
Vaka is confusing the hell out of me right now. It was reading a 16cc potential profit for Preparation. Now it's reading a 91cc potential profit for Expansion. I'm going to look into it now, and I'll try to break it down.
I'll also take a look at the situation with these other two.
So, you can have a group of xxx number of players organized to (for no logical strategic reason) take Vaka but others can´t organize themselves to do what they want?
Did i get that right??
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So it looks like Vaka's 91cc potential profit is including 10 Contested Systems with Patreus. I can't really tell what a Contested system means. My assumption is that no one gets the full profit from them. So, when we successfully expand here, we will probably only gain 16cc. I do wonder, though, if the Contested systems swing from week to week. That would be interesting and enjoyable.
Guathiti only makes sense as a 'buffer state' for the encroaching Patreus Expansion in Wangal. And as travel in Witchspace and numerous excursions into distant space has shown, a buffer state is totally pointless. If someone is pushing Guathiti as an "opposition" to Patreus, please, consider your actions. No one will ever try to lay claim to Guathiti, it is a pointless system. We have a potential income of -2cc on the map, Patreus would have a potential income of -4cc, and Torval -6cc. Everyone else would be below -10cc.
If you are seriously opposing the expansion of Wangal, that is wonderful, someone needs to. There are a few amazing options here. 1) Directly oppose their expansion. 2) Support the expansion of Lutni and Carverda, as they both surround his expansion in Wangal. 3) Prepare a system near Wangal that will stop his expanding protrusion in its tracks. Maiku (69cc) is in his way for next cycle; Tenchih (90cc) looks nice; Teliadjali (86cc) isn't a bad option; HIP 22286 (102cc) looks amazing.
My vote is for HIP 22286, but if you throw in Maiku and HIP 22286, it will make sense as a trade off in strategy and profit. None of the four systems I mention are in our Top 10, and they all seem like they'd do a good job of halting Patreus expansion. So if this is going to be your main focus, please, let us work together and do it in a coordinated manner so we don't throw 10,000data packets at the tiny isolated and lowly inhabited Guathiti.
Peraesii? It just doesn't make sense. It overlaps with Yao Tzu and is just insane.
Guathiti only makes sense as a 'buffer state' for the encroaching Patreus Expansion in Wangal. And as travel in Witchspace and numerous excursions into distant space has shown, a buffer state is totally pointless. If someone is pushing Guathiti as an "opposition" to Patreus, please, consider your actions. No one will ever try to lay claim to Guathiti, it is a pointless system. We have a potential income of -2cc on the map, Patreus would have a potential income of -4cc, and Torval -6cc. Everyone else would be below -10cc.
If you are seriously opposing the expansion of Wangal, that is wonderful, someone needs to. There are a few amazing options here. 1) Directly oppose their expansion. 2) Support the expansion of Lutni and Carverda, as they both surround his expansion in Wangal. 3) Prepare a system near Wangal that will stop his expanding protrusion in its tracks. Maiku (69cc) is in his way for next cycle; Tenchih (90cc) looks nice; Teliadjali (86cc) isn't a bad option; HIP 22286 (102cc) looks amazing.
My vote is for HIP 22286, but if you throw in Maiku and HIP 22286, it will make sense as a trade off in strategy and profit. None of the four systems I mention are in our Top 10, and they all seem like they'd do a good job of halting Patreus expansion. So if this is going to be your main focus, please, let us work together and do it in a coordinated manner so we don't throw 10,000data packets at the tiny isolated and lowly inhabited Guathiti.
Peraesii? It just doesn't make sense. It overlaps with Yao Tzu and is just insane.
We did not tell anyone to take Vaka, we have taken Vaka on our own, as a club set of commanders. Anyone who was with Denton, that came into the system we converted to ALD...
You haven't taken it yet, you simply prepared it. I wish you luck, and my first fortification load next cycle will be to Vaka, should we gain Control of it.
We did not tell anyone to take Vaka, we have taken Vaka on our own, as a club set of commanders. Anyone who was with Denton, that came into the system we converted to ALD...
Yeah, a "organized group of players" (your litle club) decided to take Vaka against any strategic valid argument.
Many Cmdrs opposed that, there was a thread about, don´t act as if you don´t know about it, i saw you there very enthusiastically defending your "brilliant" strategy.
Not me saying that, YOU are, remember?
Are folk getting mixed up between the value of a system for Powerplay, and the value of a system in general?
Just because a system has amazing RES, or cheap Palladium, or w/e, doesn't really mean much when it comes to Powerplay, particularly in the context of Powers within the Empire. If Amazing-RES-System is Controlled or Exploited by Patreus/Torval/Aisling/Lavigny, it doesn't really matter because we can still use the system unhindered as long as it's Empire.
Palladium and good RES are only important if you want to build an empire out of the Background Simulation.
CC is only important if you want to win at Powerplay. We don't need systems with good stuff in, we need strategically located systems with high CC.
Just because a system has amazing RES, or cheap Palladium, or w/e, doesn't really mean much when it comes to Powerplay, particularly in the context of Powers within the Empire. If Amazing-RES-System is Controlled or Exploited by Patreus/Torval/Aisling/Lavigny, it doesn't really matter because we can still use the system unhindered as long as it's Empire.
Palladium and good RES are only important if you want to build an empire out of the Background Simulation.
CC is only important if you want to win at Powerplay. We don't need systems with good stuff in, we need strategically located systems with high CC.
They want the passive Bounty Hunter bonus.
Though, conceivably, that is per pilot, not per system. Then again, if you can't turn in the Vaka bounties in a system that isn't Vaka, it does still apply.
Though, conceivably, that is per pilot, not per system. Then again, if you can't turn in the Vaka bounties in a system that isn't Vaka, it does still apply.
Thank you for the support...
So what are you saying, that we should do what others want, just take it and not do what is best for our club??? That seems a little silly to me, our club decided it wanted to make the system ours. No one was forced, and we even turned quite a few Denton followers also, when we told them he dont like bounty hunters!
It's not about telling people what to do, it's about what's best for the faction power. Feel free to not participate if you don't like sound strategic advice.
This. All of this. Someone fly out there and stop people from pumping more prep into Guathiti. Redirect them to these other systems. Steal their cargo, if you must.
Although, chances are more likely they're all in solo/private, which only exacerbates things.