Piracy and Risk

I see you've chosen to lash out at me rather than address the response you requested. A pity.
I am pointing out that your lack of experience in game has led you to make assumptions that are more destructive than constructive to your argument. If you want to play the "I am insulted" card, then I can do that all day, as well, with the amount of hatred my syndicate and my profession gather for me.

Btw, what did I request a response to?

Does the concept of rhetorical questions get lost somewhere in this forum?

(yes, these are rhetorical questions, as well, for your convenience)

Oh right I should include:

What a pity.
 
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Absolutly no offence to the OP.. but in my opinion.. if your in a T6 RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN...



annnnnnnnnd RUN.. just saying.
 
What lack of experience would that be precisely? I'm not sure how you evaluate that because I have had different experiences than you, they are somehow incorrect. I certainly wouldn't dare to say that because you haven't seen what I have that your experience is lacking. But do go on.
 
What lack of experience would that be precisely? I'm not sure how you evaluate that because I have had different experiences than you, they are somehow incorrect. I certainly wouldn't dare to say that because you haven't seen what I have that your experience is lacking. But do go on.

I have tried every professional thoroughly, can you say the same? Especially in piracy?

Do you have extensive player interaction experience with both in-game player groups and their respective embassy personnel?

Do you participate actively in/represent a well-known player group in the Elite Dangerous universe?

Do you work for diplomatic department of any well-known syndicate in Elite Dangerous that actively has to negotiate and interact with other player syndicates?

I have trading experiences, plenty of it, and the experience of being pirated. I am a well-known member of Code, who actively coordinate with CS and CTRL within the power of Archon Delaine. I thoroughly explored every profession within the game.

You have every right to state your opinion with your parameter of experience, but I am pointing out that the pool of anecdote you derive your argument from is too narrow and shallow.

It's simple, really. If you argue philosophy with no background knowledge in philosophy or very little of it, you do not sound as credible as someone who has a degree in the said subject.

If you do not speak two languages proficiently, then you are less credible than someone who is bilingual in the said two languages. In this case it is piracy and trade.

Of course there are exceptions, but with what I have seen in this post, nothing gave me that impression.
 
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I want to see how far one runs in a type 6 before getting one's Drive disabled...

Clippers and Orcas laugh at Type6 trying to run. Being masslocked and outrun at the same time is obviously a fun experience.

Mazuo said:
I've never witnessed a pirate provide any such protection offers.

I personally give a trader 12h of free reign after a successful cargo relocation. I precisely keep track of that - to the minute. Or at least I used to before a certain update destroyed any chance of profit.

Mazuo said:
What lack of experience would that be precisely?

You have never before met a pirate that uses his brain.
 
Truly, there is nothing more respected than self-awarded honors. Do you have anything further about the topic at hand or is simply patting yourself on the back the entire agenda currently?

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Clippers and Orcas laugh at Type6 trying to run. Being masslocked and outrun at the same time is obviously a fun experience.

Indeed. I'm not sure what can or should be done about this, but the present situation I find disagreeable.

I personally give a trader 12h of free reign after a successful cargo relocation. I precisely keep track of that - to the minute. Or at least I used to before a certain update destroyed any chance of profit.

That's certainly more respectable than the ones I've run into. That's of course not saying much, but still.

You have never before met a pirate that uses his brain.

Oh, I have. Just not in this instance this one time.
 
Truly, there is nothing more respected than self-awarded honors. Do you have anything further about the topic at hand or is simply patting yourself on the back the entire agenda currently?

Okay then, claiming to have more experience and support the said argument is suddenly self-awarded honors...

It's not the first day I play around with red herring, so don't even try it.

This is related, I am stating that your complaint is not well-constructed, then proceed to prove your lack of knowledge and experience which are necessary to construct a sound argument.

In the plainest language, I am disapproving your argument, not demeaning your character. Please don't make something that isn't ad hominem ad hominem.

Btw, you may want to reconsider that attitude. I want to see what it gets you if you tell your boss/professors to go away and pat themselves on their back just because they have more experience and knowledge than you do. Individualism is a great thing, but consider everyone to be equally competent in every subject is nothing short of extreme arrogance.

"The worse form of equality is to make unequal things equal"--Aristotle.
 
i dont know but just as comment to the op, maybe they can give traders a internal that allows them to drops fake booby trapped cargo , explosive or tracking beacon or other nastiness , lol its what i would do , lol would probably use on bh rig too lol just for those that that come a calling thinking im a trader :p be like sure have this cargo -evil laugh-
 
i dont know but just as comment to the op, maybe they can give traders a internal that allows them to drops fake booby trapped cargo , explosive or tracking beacon or other nastiness , lol its what i would do , lol would probably use on bh rig too lol just for those that that come a calling thinking im a trader :p be like sure have this cargo -evil laugh-

If something like that is ever introduced, be prepared for pirates to ask you to stay where you are as they pick up every cargo.

If you move, you get shot.

Plus there will probably be counter mechanics like a scanner module of some sort.

I like the idea, though, it sounds fun and adds depth to gameplay.
 
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Tonight I was blown up after being interdicted trying to deliver metals to the Antal CG. Distressing, but as the materials were mined I only really lost my time and a modest replacement fee for a Type 6. However, what this event reinforced for me though is how currently only the trader assumes any significant risk.

There is skill involved in finding a target and forcing open its cargo bay to steal a few tons of valuable goods before player bounty hunters and NPC authorities swoop in to deal with the criminals. Unfortunately, that isn't ever what happens in-game. Instead pirates in vastly superior ships and wings prey on defenseless cargo carriers and are never in any danger. Pirates are given all the time they want to deal with targets and if they get frustrated with a slow response and blow up the ship, the consequences to themselves appear to be trivial. If trading should be dangerous, which I agree it should be, should not armed combat, theft and attempted murder be possibly even more dangerous for those who participate in such actions?

A pirate currently waits in a system, gets what they want from a passing cargo ship or destroys it and continues about their business.

Should actual theft be somehow incentivized to possibly deter murder? Should there not be systems in place for players and NPCs to actively hunt down pirates across systems putting some fear into them instead of always reserved for traders?

Well, when trading and being interdicted by player pirates, I would rather loose my ship and pay a 20 million re-buy cost then allow the pirate 1 tonne of cargo. If my hatch is blown open, I would stop trying to escape, turn around and destroy as many of the canisters as I can, or suicide ram the pirate. Traders that buckle under and willingly give-in to pirate demands are only causing you as a trader more problems in the long-run. If a pirate kills you without acquiring any cargo, consider this a win for you ;)
 
Well, when trading and being interdicted by player pirates, I would rather loose my ship and pay a 20 million re-buy cost then allow the pirate 1 tonne of cargo. If my hatch is blown open, I would stop trying to escape, turn around and destroy as many of the canisters as I can, or suicide ram the pirate. Traders that buckle under and willingly give-in to pirate demands are only causing you as a trader more problems in the long-run. If a pirate kills you without acquiring any cargo, consider this a win for you ;)

Great, at least you are determined and hopefully haven't made a complaint thread on the forum QQing.

That's character.
 
Well, when trading and being interdicted by player pirates, I would rather loose my ship and pay a 20 million re-buy cost then allow the pirate 1 tonne of cargo. If my hatch is blown open, I would stop trying to escape, turn around and destroy as many of the canisters as I can, or suicide ram the pirate. Traders that buckle under and willingly give-in to pirate demands are only causing you as a trader more problems in the long-run. If a pirate kills you without acquiring any cargo, consider this a win for you ;)

Yup, I've done that as well before. My preferred action even if arguably illogical, though it gets back to the one-sided punishment that currently exists.
 
If something like that is ever introduced, be prepared for pirates to ask you to stay where you are as they pick up every cargo.

If you move, you get shot.

Plus there will probably be counter mechanics like a scanner module of some sort.

I like the idea, though, it sounds fun and adds depth to gameplay.

eh i dont carry cargo its too boring for me , lol i would only get it to use them on the silly pirates that pull me out of fsd don't scan and see i dont have cargo and just demand it, lol i dont even have cargo racks :p more as a giggle before going after their bounty :p
 
Well, when trading and being interdicted by player pirates, I would rather loose my ship and pay a 20 million re-buy cost then allow the pirate 1 tonne of cargo.

Great, more target practice for us!
 
Great, more target practice for us!

I've never had a trader try to ram my cargo, but they'd be so dead. I rob Type 6's and sometimes Type 7's, and my Cobra is completely prepared to rip them to bits :)

Piracy is about fun between players, but it isn't a charity service. I show muscle and use fear tactics, as pirates did in the Caribbean, wand what pirate is better to roleplay than Blackbeard? :)
 
I've never had a trader try to ram my cargo, but they'd be so dead. I rob Type 6's and sometimes Type 7's, and my Cobra is completely prepared to rip them to bits :)

Piracy is about fun between players, but it isn't a charity service. I show muscle and use fear tactics, as pirates did in the Caribbean, wand what pirate is better to roleplay than Blackbeard? :)

Well, to be honest, I cannot imagine the space being without pirates. And it's a hard gameplay, no wonder here. I'm for the normal, sensible piracy as it were, and I would surely give my cargo for the Spaghetti monster sake. It's the interaction that is fun here, you play a gunman, I play a boat loaded with goods, you take my stuff, I fly away and call police ) and by the time they arrive there's no one there, something like that.
Now, we see so-called pirates flying out there having fun time laughing in face of non-combatant traders, bullying them even in out-of-game style for non apparent RP reason, just for feeling superior and considering everyone else inferior. You know they can't beat you, and you post your 'great encounters' naming the victim and shaming them even with a little editing of the story. Lying, to look like you're cool. Gosh, it's just low. You're just gaining enemies both in-game and out-of-game. I'm addressing to those who's 'gameplay' like this is to fulfil the absense of strength in reality.
 
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