Hear! Hear!
Why just the other day I ran across a system with "Discovered by CMDR Blue Chicken [don't ask]" and I thought...Hey, he still owes me $20!
First Discovery Tags
- Thread starter Ziggy Stardust
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Hear! Hear!
Why just the other day I ran across a system with "Discovered by CMDR Blue Chicken [don't ask]" and I thought...Hey, he still owes me $20!
Almighty Bob
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Romeo got there first (before route planning). That is all that matters in exploration.
Lose that and FD lose all.
Lose that and FD lose all.
TBH I've found this thread a little disappointing. I was under the apparently false impression that explorers, by and large, were a broad church. I thought as a sub-group of ED we were one were we, by and large, recognised that there was no "right" way to approach and exploring and therefore no set of goals any of us particularly subscribe to other than an enjoyment of travelling out to the black, seeing what there is to see, and for some of us, leaving our mark behind.
Looking at the great age of European explorers, who is famous now? Its those with the memorable firsts - first to get to the Americans, first to circumnavigate. I think that Elite makes that something is the game, and something I enjoy, is a great feature and one I'd be sorry to see go. I can appreciate some don't like it... well its hardly a big imposition is it? Its not like that the FD tags impact the way anyone needs to play the game.
Looking at the great age of European explorers, who is famous now? Its those with the memorable firsts - first to get to the Americans, first to circumnavigate. I think that Elite makes that something is the game, and something I enjoy, is a great feature and one I'd be sorry to see go. I can appreciate some don't like it... well its hardly a big imposition is it? Its not like that the FD tags impact the way anyone needs to play the game.
I think we still are the "broad church" as you put it. And while the recent bug on FD's has reduced my desire to detail scan systems, I don't do it for ego. I do it for the fun of the discovery. Seeing something no one has discovered is fun. It increases the value of the game for me rather than reduce it when I see someone else has "claimed" a stellar body. If it's a good one, I'm still going to scan it because it shows as "undiscovered" to me. And when I scan it, even as an omnivorous explorer, I still get a bit of excitement when it completes...the third time b/c the first was bugged and the second was corrupt...
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When I scan a ELW, do I expect to see Zefram Cochran's warp signature .02Ls outside of the orbit? Of course not; exploration in this game isn't that advanced yet. A small part of me still hopes so. The same part of me that likes to see recognition given to those first explorers to reach that point. The same part that circles around the dark side of said ELW looking for lights.
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When I scan a ELW, do I expect to see Zefram Cochran's warp signature .02Ls outside of the orbit? Of course not; exploration in this game isn't that advanced yet. A small part of me still hopes so. The same part of me that likes to see recognition given to those first explorers to reach that point. The same part that circles around the dark side of said ELW looking for lights.
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I like them, it's an intangible reward for Explorers but it's nice to see a name I recognise - be it someone I know on here or just a random name and think 'I've seen that before - oh yeah it was on my last trip about 12kylies over that a way, what are the odds of our paths crossing like this so far apart...'.
Sometimes you think 'aww, this is really sweet - wish I'd got here first' but even that adds something to the game.
Sometimes you think 'aww, this is really sweet - wish I'd got here first' but even that adds something to the game.
I love tag malarky - for most of the reasons any pro- tag CMDR has posted here (so won't bore on in repeating).
Also - it is just a game, so if it all went Pete Tong tomorrow it's no big deal. Someone elses name would be on the headstones and we would still get all the first tag love reasons posted by the OP and others with the new first(second,200th tag peep).
I love your posts usually Zig but *shrugs* is it such a big deal if it is important we see only the 1st visited - or is your arguement not that you get to see "A" commanders name there but it HAS to be the 1st? Because a lot of what you posted was about seeing "A" commanders name.
I love the idea of an option tab of turning on/off what you see about a system. I couldn't give two large infected boils in seeing who got there first, but I would suffer 3 large infected boils to see a list of who had got there. I often wonder when I pass a "dull red sun" and see B Finknottle 1st here, how many other weary boil infested explorers have wiped their dusty space grimed feet on it's dull doorstep.
But then this is just me, and after all, it's all about opinions....
Also - it is just a game, so if it all went Pete Tong tomorrow it's no big deal. Someone elses name would be on the headstones and we would still get all the first tag love reasons posted by the OP and others with the new first(second,200th tag peep).
I love your posts usually Zig but *shrugs* is it such a big deal if it is important we see only the 1st visited - or is your arguement not that you get to see "A" commanders name there but it HAS to be the 1st? Because a lot of what you posted was about seeing "A" commanders name.
I love the idea of an option tab of turning on/off what you see about a system. I couldn't give two large infected boils in seeing who got there first, but I would suffer 3 large infected boils to see a list of who had got there. I often wonder when I pass a "dull red sun" and see B Finknottle 1st here, how many other weary boil infested explorers have wiped their dusty space grimed feet on it's dull doorstep.
But then this is just me, and after all, it's all about opinions....
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My bet is that in a few years time there will be a handful of explorers whose preference is to spend all their time trying to retrace the footsteps of some earlier explorer they have heard about, preferably in the same size craft. So alongside the Tourists, Completists, ThereandBackAnotherWayists, Awestruck Gazers, Compulsive Camera Clickers and Neutron Nabbers of today we will have a few Pennine Wayfarers...
Err I don't mean to offend - but this is a game yeah?
The being an explorer and actually discover for me mean the 1st. The gameplay element I described as well.
Seeing another name also has more significance if you can think: nicely found CMDR
But the recognition of the name would be the same if it was for instance: last visited.
Hence a list of explorers would be of note to me.
For 1st explored to have any more or leass meaning is to automatically infer I know\heard of that explorer to get that same warm feeling you have had in your tum (and what a lovely tum it is).
No. It infers you encounter loads of tags from people you don't know, but sometimes are fun to have either way (CMDR Bubble at the Bubble nebula)
And the occasional one of the CMDR you do know. Brennan.
When you read my OP, did you think these were the only 2 tags I encountered?
edit: list is good as well. List is fine. Bring on the list! Just to the side please, not on the map itself
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This is the only game I know of where you can genuinely go where nobody - not even the developers - have gone. The fact you can then put your name on it is the draw.
Everquest 2 had a similar mechanic. After release if you were the first discoverer of anything in the game - from a plant pot to a vapourising sword of random uberness your name was attached to that item from then on. You could get world first discoveries and server firsts. When some raid bosses had never been beat until months after release of an expansion and you got a world first disco on the drop - that was an amazing feeling.
I get the same buzz in ED.
Everquest 2 had a similar mechanic. After release if you were the first discoverer of anything in the game - from a plant pot to a vapourising sword of random uberness your name was attached to that item from then on. You could get world first discoveries and server firsts. When some raid bosses had never been beat until months after release of an expansion and you got a world first disco on the drop - that was an amazing feeling.
I get the same buzz in ED.
No. It infers you encounter loads of tags from people you don't know, but sometimes are fun to have either way (CMDR Bubble at the Bubble nebula)
And the occasional one of the CMDR you do know. Brennan.
When you read my OP, did you think these were the only 2 tags I encountered?
edit: list is good as well. List is fine. Bring on the list! Just to the side please, not on the map itself
Of course I read your first post - or there would have been little point posting, I am not a johnny come lately to a thread who only looks at the last troll
I responded to the 1st tag bit, also I knew you would do the bubble one in response, but there are only so many hilarious play on names like CMDR PainfullBoil finds system BOIL ASS-1 POK-ER moments in even the Billions of systems. (I don't have boils by the way - all though I do seem fixated with them for some reason).
I thought your magic sword being taken away blurb at the end of your post was more immediate and more relevant.
Also FD will paste the system map with not only who found the system but with what they were wearing!! Sigh...
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The gameplay element is just as relevant. Although I feel it difficult quantizing relevancy here.
As long as the list shows 1st discovered, I can still paint systems red.
As long as the list shows 1st discovered, I can still paint systems red.
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I do? That's weird since we're talking about opinions.
I wouldn't want to be quantizigged. Sounds painful.
I wouldn't want to be quantizigged. Sounds painful.
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That's already happening. I've had a few PMs and emails via YT from players that have retraced the Distant Suns expedition, some literally episode to episode. Its really nice to know players are enjoying the stories, explorers diaries, and video content all of us are building here in the early months of EDs history. I played Ultima Online years ago and remember one of the great things that came out of that era was the history the community built, and the great stories and adventures players had and preserved via websites and blogs (no YouTube back then though). dognoshes stickied thread is one of the most important threads on these forums as he's recognized the importance of archiving peoples stories and blogs.. something that future players of ED may one day find interesting reads.
In that sense, discovery tags are a great thing to have as they help preserve some in-game history. My only issue has been that I wished it would have taken a little more interactive gameplay mechanic to earn them.