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Chris Roberts is a good guy, he gave ED a shout out when we were struggling in the middle of the Kickstarter. He was interviewd with David Braben during the Kickstarter. Badmouthing his game seems like poor form to me. There's plenty of room for both and I actually quite like that they have gone down different roads it should lead to two completely different experiences.
I have. And it doesn't look good to me.
Made up pledge numbers, apparent/suspicious funding (size), (project is) house of cards, Hangar Module is rubbish, 90% is utter fluff, <snip - paraphrasing redacted - Styggron>, and the show is a joke - even when CR answers questions, all about dollars over there.
Just to quote some of what you said. The evidence speaks for itself. You are indeed bad mouthing the game too - in addition to bad mouthing the project in general.
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nicely done, there is no room for any negativity around here!! now where is that familar woof woof!
You've quoted lots there but not once quoted where i said that the game would likely be great and ive said that a lot. I'll even say it again ... i think the game will be great...will be a bumpy road but i think it'll be great in time. If your going to pick all the "bad" quotes in your opinion but ignore the others then whats the point eh?
The opinions you've quoted are my feelings on the company and on how they are running themselves. They are my opinions as an above average pledge backer over there and yeah maybe they are strong but then I feel they have alot to prove to the SC community.
I stand by my comments as they are what i think of the company by my experience. Nothing more. I'll judge the game when theres a game to judge but so far they have very little other than shiny expensive mousemats, hoodies etc etc and a buggy room with some ships in it unlike ED which has a lot more substance to show for their work.
The opinions you've quoted are my feelings on the company and on how they are running themselves. They are my opinions as an above average pledge backer over there and yeah maybe they are strong but then I feel they have alot to prove to the SC community.
I stand by my comments as they are what i think of the company by my experience. Nothing more. I'll judge the game when theres a game to judge but so far they have very little other than shiny expensive mousemats, hoodies etc etc and a buggy room with some ships in it unlike ED which has a lot more substance to show for their work.
Agree CR is a good guy and he has made great games
There is plenty of room for space sim and SC will be a great game
I am all for valid criticism for both ED and SC. However, as regular of these forums I wish not to see name callings, personal attacks, slurs, or wild claims of provocative nature. Sure, WH seems to be light on details for me too, but I can understand community building aspect of it - we also need more of this Also claiming that SC backer/money numbers are fake sound plain jealous. CIG and Roberts are more successful to attracting people's attention at this moment, there's no denying it, and ED community should not be 'elitist' (pun intended ) and see new ways how to inform and make people interested about ED.
Cheers people. We will get ED in few months! Don't worry about backers numbers that much.
Also claiming that SC backer/money numbers are fake sound plain jealous. CIG and Roberts are more successful to attracting people's attention at this moment, there's no denying it, and ED community should not be 'elitist' (pun intended ) and see new ways how to inform and make people interested about ED.Cheers people. We will get ED in few months! Don't worry about backers numbers that much.
In fairness I said that IN JEST though again in fairness i didnt make it very clear and in reality I do not think that they make the numbers up.
Remember i am a backer there and I want it to succeed as much as anyone. So no jealousy issues here.
Another downside is that you must devote scarce resources (of money, staff and management/vision) to the marketing ... take it far enough and the marketing becomes the business model. I don't want to see that here, and I don't think it's Frontier's nature to do that.
Don't forget that the ED kickstarter funds make up only a small proportion of the resources available for the game development.
Judging by this interview with David Braben, the kickstarter was mainly about gauging whether or not a market exists for the game, but most of the financing comes from the stock flotation (£10m) and money in the business already (and given that FD is a company with around 200 employees and has been about since the early 90s that could add up to a considerable amount).
All in all, it wouldn't surprise me if the actual ED development funds are comparable or greater than those raised by SC - just coming from different places.
PS - good luck to Chris Roberts and Star Citizen regardless.
OK, then sorry being too harsh
I am curious and maybe sometimes a little bit angry myself that ED doesn't get attention it deserves, but I have to admit it is problem we and later FD can only solve.I think it's pretty obvious.... at least it's true in my case.
I played the original Elite when I was young (on my Amiga 500 and on a friend's C 64) and I loved it.
The only reason why I backed Star Citizen are my fond memories of playing Elite (didn't play much Wing Commander or any of the other CR's games).
That said I will definitely check out Elite...
BUT I'm not ready to pay hundreds of euros for an alpha. If I could just preorder my Elite copy and would get access to the alpha (see SC), I would already be playing (have even dusted off my joystick - the last game I played with it was XWing Alliance).
I bet that most of the SC backers would also be backing Elite if alpha access was handled the same way as in SC.
I really don't understand Frontier's concept here - they're either too greedy or they intentionally want to restrict the number of alpha testers. I would even pay 100 euros for alpha access + game but never, never, never will I be paying 200 pounds!!!
I think Frontier is realling missing out on a huge chance here.
A lot of SC backers are waiting for the dog fighting module. Now it has been postponed for at least a couple months. The Elite alpha looks really nice and I believe most would give it a try - just to be sitting in a spaceship's cockpit again.
So hear me Frontier. Drop the alpha (and beta) entrance fees, refund early backers that paid them and give access to every backer who buys any game package starting with the normal digital copy.
--> numbers of backers will increase insanely!!!
But hey, I'm just an ordinary person with common sense, so I'm probably wrong........
I played the original Elite when I was young (on my Amiga 500 and on a friend's C 64) and I loved it.
The only reason why I backed Star Citizen are my fond memories of playing Elite (didn't play much Wing Commander or any of the other CR's games).
That said I will definitely check out Elite...
BUT I'm not ready to pay hundreds of euros for an alpha. If I could just preorder my Elite copy and would get access to the alpha (see SC), I would already be playing (have even dusted off my joystick - the last game I played with it was XWing Alliance).
I bet that most of the SC backers would also be backing Elite if alpha access was handled the same way as in SC.
I really don't understand Frontier's concept here - they're either too greedy or they intentionally want to restrict the number of alpha testers. I would even pay 100 euros for alpha access + game but never, never, never will I be paying 200 pounds!!!
I think Frontier is realling missing out on a huge chance here.
A lot of SC backers are waiting for the dog fighting module. Now it has been postponed for at least a couple months. The Elite alpha looks really nice and I believe most would give it a try - just to be sitting in a spaceship's cockpit again.
So hear me Frontier. Drop the alpha (and beta) entrance fees, refund early backers that paid them and give access to every backer who buys any game package starting with the normal digital copy.
--> numbers of backers will increase insanely!!!
But hey, I'm just an ordinary person with common sense, so I'm probably wrong........
Yes - this often gets forgotten when it's talked about "over there".
I think I worked out from some figures I saw (can't remember where) that it's about £17m here which was about $26m equiv - don't quote me on the figures.
And yes FD is long established whereas CIG are just over a year old as a unit and are going through major growth spurts/pain.
It's probably this. When they're ready for thousands of players, there will be thousands of players. Patience.
You probably right when you say that the numbers will increase if alpha is at lower price
But FD has enough money to make their game, they have enough alpha testers ... so why will they do that ?
The numbers of players will increase at the release (or in beta phase) ...
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But CIG haven't used any money on marketing or ads. This is a myth. Repeating it doesn't make it any more true.
What they have done is making "commercial videos" about new ships. Then there are some mousepads and stuff you can buy in the store. But no marketing budget exists, as I know.
This is - again - just slander, taken out of thin air.
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