Dear FD - ED we paid full price for this game

[Han Brannigan]

Way to ignore the point of the post and completely miss the part you quoted. I said players want to try everything, that means do a spot of bounty hunting, trade for a while, explore, mine, fight a war, have a nose into powerplay, whatever. How that led you to visiting 400 billion systems is beyond me.

So its only everything as you define it? Not the real everything. Solid logic there. Also even within your definition you are wrong:
- I have not mined nor do I plan to ( for example )
- I have seen numerous ppl posting that they have not nor will they ever trade

So no.

 

[Tinman]

Frontier have stated they will not sell credits for cash. They talked about it during the Kickstarter campaign, but eventually backed out of the idea. However, I believe that in the future Frontier will sell Merits for real world cash. Or at least there will be some equivalent that allows players to get an advantage in Powerplay with cash. The entire design of Powerplay works towards that idea. I give it a year tops.

They also said there would be an offline mode.

I am sorry but if anyone cannot see that Powerplay has been designed from the ground up to be real money compatible then they are in denial. I just hope that when that day comes they introduce a premium subscription option. Just like most other F2P MMO's.

If we are going to be picky they actually first said that they WOULD sell in-game credits for real money during the Kickstarter...they later decided not to do that due to people not liking the idea.

Or as Michael wrote when people complained about having to buy paintjobs:

The original Kickstarter also said that you could buy credits for cash - which has been negatively received. Would you prefer that?

Michael

How many companies have "gone back on their word" in that direction? Always BREAKING THEIR PROMISES!!!

Give credit where credit is due!

 

[Snarfbuckle]

Several things could have been done to make PP a lot better and more accessible without having to remove all social life for weeks in order to gain ranks.

They could have:

-Tied Ranks to a reputation system
-Gained Ranks/Reputation with a PP Mission Board (With missions that actually PAY well.)

Oddities with current PP:

-Gain no 15 merits for killing enemy agents within owned systems (why, whats different from shooting them in their own system?)
-Skewered reward for participating in combat zones (1 merit per kill but 15 if I go to another factions system???)

 

[Kirk-Fu]

So its only everything as you define it? Not the real everything. Solid logic there. Also even within your definition you are wrong:
- I have not mined nor do I plan to ( for example )
- I have seen numerous ppl posting that they have not nor will they ever trade

So no.

Players, in general, not you or any individual specifically. You wanna stop this nitpicking crap now and make a point like a grownup or are you going to continue your mindless pedantry?

 

[Xodz]

If we are going to be picky they actually first said that they WOULD sell in-game credits for real money during the Kickstarter...they later decided not to do that due to people not liking the idea.

How many companies have "gone back on their word" in that direction?

Give credit where credit is due!

A major reason I bought the game (it's not Pay2Win). With that said, game gets boring as soon as you learn how it works. Haven't played in a few months now and it seems PP failed to add much in terms of content, probably won't be playing again any time soon.

Reassuring to see the fan-base is as active as ever and that the OP's valid criticisms can be so easily addressed with the "well don't play it then" throw-away.

I decided PP wasn't for me in Beta, and have happily ignored it ever since. My only concern is that FD seem to think PP was really what the majority of folks would like/want.
I think they got that completely wrong. PP is a very light overlay to the existing mechanics it just adds a mini-league table within the game, it's just all fetch & carry, pay to beat the timer restrictions. Gahhhhh......awful.

Where are major space-battles, ship boardings, planet landings, walking around ships and space stations?
Why is there no video/audio interaction with the game (other than the canned station announcements which are the same at every station)?
When I beat a guy in a fight, why does he have to get destroyed? Why can't I take his ship, cargo and percentage of his credits as my prize?

Lots of ways the game could go, PP wasn't their only option (IMHO).

I can play as much as I want (I am retired) but PP does not make we want to play ED any more than I usually do because I see it as a boring drudge and completely non-immersive/addictive.

Each to their own.

Most of what you want will be in some other game, but as this is not the forum for that game I will not mention it. Also, I will not mention that it will likely end up being a pay2win game, or whatever you want to call paying for an advantage. Either way, it is the game I am waiting for now - though I am hoping it won't be too pay2win.

 

[SteveLaw]

Oh seriously!!! Tell you what you go off on a merry yravel round the world for 3 months. See if your boss pays you while your off doimg your thing. Thats if you hsve a job....infact are you old enough to drive a car or travel alone?

That's not an appropriate analogy. Faction reputation has nothing to do with a job or getting paid.

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No and no. The design choice is logical for his game ( like trading is profitable and possible but ( to many ) boring - however this does not pose a big problem as its avoidable ). And no ppl are not - or do you actually believe ppl are going to visit every system ( for example ) ...

You don't need to travel to every system to be an explorer. You can reach Elite status in exploring and not have visited the tiniest fraction of systems. No one player is every going to be able to visit every system.

 

[Dingus Maximus]

Yes, we have a thing where I work called leave of absence, I still get paid and I dont get demoted.

Yes, I have a job and I am in full time employment (what does this have to do with anything.)

Yes, I am 65 years old, have been driving for many years.

Yes i have holiday pay too but u dont get paid for taking longer than your allotment

Yes in the game were self employed self employed dont generally get holiday pay. So if you dont get how that relates to the fact that pp rank IS payment for your services........

 

[Han Brannigan]

(why, whats different from shooting them in their own system?)

Bc its easier to shoot them in your own system - you don't get a bounty and locals will help you ...

 

[Han Brannigan]

You don't need to travel to every system to be an explorer. You can reach Elite status in exploring and not have visited the tiniest fraction of systems. No one player is every going to be able to visit every system.

Fine - what does this have to do with my post?

 

[medwyn]

You don't have to play PP, or buy new ships, or trade and explore. You don't have to do anything.
That's really great position.
You don't have to play ED. Dock somewhere and go to forums. Here is so much to do!

Spot on - the biggest offer of ED is the forums. It really has a meaningful progression here, everyone in one instance (however the ignore list makes some glitches I guess), and lots to learn and play.
Heck I even have the illusion that what happens here matters!
Why for the white feathered duck ED can not give me that?

 

[SteveLaw]

Fine - what does this have to do with my post?

It's unrealistic to expect anyone to visit every system so using that to reject the idea of trying everything is meaningless. If you can reach the highest rank in everything, without visiting every system, what does visiting every system have to do with trying everything? You might argue that you need to visit every system in order to DO everything, but it is not required to TRY everything.

 

[Dingus Maximus]

That's not an appropriate analogy. Faction reputation has nothing to do with a job or getting paid.

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You don't need to travel to every system to be an explorer. You can reach Elite status in exploring and not have visited the tiniest fraction of systems. No one player is every going to be able to visit every system.

In pp you get money for the rank you obtain do you not? Unless things have changed radically overnight being paid for your services is the sames as doing a job. So if you do jack all for a period of time you dont get paid for it. In game thats a deduction of merits which drops your rank resulting in loss of pay.

I found it odd that i could ally myself with a minor power then do nothing for them for 6 months and yet still be allied...you should loose rep for doing nothing. It logical that you do.

 

[FuzzySpider]

I found it odd that i could ally myself with a minor power then do nothing for them for 6 months and yet still be allied...you should loose rep for doing nothing. It logical that you do.

It's not logical at all.

Consider Frontier. Many people, posting right here in this forum now, backed the Elite kickstarter on the strength of the old Elite games which were released over 20 years ago. Due to powerplay and the slide towards MMO mechanics many of those players would not do so today.

Reputation is trust. And trust is based on what people do, not how often we see them. "Doing nothing" wouldn't degrade a reputation, working for the opposition would.

So for example Empire faction reputation should degrade if someone works with the Federation, and vice versa.

Another example is anarchy faction ranks should degrade if someone hands in a lot of bounties or works for lawful factions, and vice versa.

We don't have that. We have an arbitrary steady fall in reputation no matter the faction and no matter who you are or how often you play. It's less of an organic universe and even more MMO gamey type game.

 

[Snarfbuckle]

Bc its easier to shoot them in your own system - you don't get a bounty and locals will help you ...

Nope.

There is no difference in effort.

-I still have to find them
-I still have to interdict them
-I still have to shoot them
-No-One is assisting me
-And yes, I DO get a bounty regardless of location.

The point is that the LOCATION of an enemy of the state should not affect merit reward - it's the fact that you shoot them down.

The enemy agent is in fact MORE dangerous if found within owned systems because that's where they operate.

Shooting enemy agents within their own borders would be like shooting an FBI agent on his commute to work as opposed to hunting down an FBI agent in Moscow.

And there is no higher risk for me regardless of system because the only threat in other factions domain are just the very agents I hunt. I have nothing to fear from law enforcement, stations, local navy.

 

[Han Brannigan]

Players, in general, not you or any individual specifically. You wanna stop this nitpicking crap now and make a point like a grownup or are you going to continue your mindless pedantry?

So bc your argument is flawed you resort to name calling? Players, in general, will play PP ( heck they already do ) but you as an individual do not have to as you do not have to be a trader an explorer or a miner.

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-No-One is assisting me
-And yes, I DO get a bounty regardless of location.

Not if they open fire first...

 

[Bragor]

In pp you get money for the rank you obtain do you not? Unless things have changed radically overnight being paid for your services is the sames as doing a job. So if you do jack all for a period of time you dont get paid for it. In game thats a deduction of merits which drops your rank resulting in loss of pay.

I found it odd that i could ally myself with a minor power then do nothing for them for 6 months and yet still be allied...you should loose rep for doing nothing. It logical that you do.

But it isn't fun and I thought that's what games are about ... and if we try to be logic, I should get much better rewards defending my own turf than on run to hinder other powers doing their stuff. Or why do I need to have an Elite rank in trading for a mission paying out less than 100k ? I mean, to get there, I've to make over a billion, so how appealing is that payout ? Logic isn't the mayor drive here.

It probably is too easy to get allied, but comming back to a minor faction after having run errands for them for a prolonged time before I went on some exploring, just to come back and see I'm now nobody ?

 

[Han Brannigan]

Reputation is trust. And trust is based on what people do, not how often we see them. "Doing nothing" wouldn't degrade a reputation, working for the opposition would.

Yes it would. Had Frontier done nothing for the last 12 months trust would have been lost.

 

[SteveLaw]

In pp you get money for the rank you obtain do you not? Unless things have changed radically overnight being paid for your services is the sames as doing a job. So if you do jack all for a period of time you dont get paid for it. In game thats a deduction of merits which drops your rank resulting in loss of pay.

No you're right, I confused the subject with faction reputation decay as you can see in my original quote. It's still not quite the same as taking leave from a job but it's not entirely irrelevant, even if it's a clumsy unengaging system.

I found it odd that i could ally myself with a minor power then do nothing for them for 6 months and yet still be allied...you should loose rep for doing nothing. It logical that you do.

This is what I disagreeing with. This is what makes no sense. It isn't logical. Reputation gain and reputation loss should be tied to your action not your inaction. Not playing a game shouldn't have a in-game consequence. Anyway, FuzzySpider explains it above.

 

[Han Brannigan]

But it isn't fun and I thought that's what games are about ..

Its a ( form of ) challenge. Challenges are fun. Its a question of interpretation. Also you will not be a nobody bc:
- minor faction relations don't decay
- major factions only decay from allied to friendly

 

[SteveLaw]

Yes it would. Had Frontier done nothing for the last 12 months trust would have been lost.

Only because they said that the game would be developed. They did something negative by not fulfilling a promise. If you buy a toaster, the best toaster you've ever had, and the toaster company releases no more products would you lose faith in the company?