I can see the community goals argument, really not so sure about faction influence or system flipping. Though I wasn't involved with those so can't really comment.
Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].
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I can see the community goals argument, really not so sure about faction influence or system flipping. Though I wasn't involved with those so can't really comment.
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Psst, he did that in Solo.
lol I know.. that is my point, rckstr is suggesting canning solo, and his response to my "but what about those with lower band internet" was "if your PC does not meet minimum specs tough"
which kind of makes no sense when it is his own suggestion which is suddenly making my machine sometimes not meet his new minimum specs.
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yes (at peak times where i am located at least)
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yes (made appropriate changes with port forwarding)
not on the forums, but on different platforms, so yes
no, i did not try the mobius group because i cannot bring my expectations on the line with their rules, though it is a valid game feature.
And the last cmdr's i met and talked to in open share my opinion. There a just not enough players (because, without commenting why, too many are in seperate modes)
And i guess if you are located at an expansion system that is the only left that goes head to head, or undermining and fortifying head to head, constantly updating, you should be allowed to expect friendlies and hostile.
There is a very common mistakes in thinking that someone who disagrees with you doesn't understand your point of view. We all do it. We keep explaining the reasons that we disagree with you in the vain hope that maybe if we just word it slightly differently you will suddenly "get" it. But it's not going to work. So good luck. Hope you find out why you can't see anyone and get it fixed. (I suspect that you just have to find the right system where they are, because there are like billions of them...)
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Well for one thing you are wrong in that you do not have influence over solo. As it has been stated many times, You have as much influence as someone in solo or in group. You keep failing to understand that. I think that it is because you keep this picture in your head that you believe must be true that everyone in solo/group is working against you. That is not true, those in solo and group are working all powers just as those in open are.
If a larger group of players decides to switch to Open and starts attacking authorities in a System just to lower the factions influence You have nothing in hand to stop them from doing this. Because they get enough people in the system you will never see them. You can only try to counter the influence they made with this action.
You say this is impossible..
"Real Freedom - Go where you like, be what you like - pirate, bounty hunter, trader, assassin, or some mix of all of these.
Fight - Take on the pirates or be one yourself"
How is that impossible? Where does it say "player" Key fact.. it doesn't You can be any of those things against NPCs or in Open NPCs and Players who decide to play in Open. You can have real freedom and you are using it. "Real Freedom" does not mean the freedom to force others to play your way so that you have targets.
All i wanted to say is that if your bandwidth is not reliable enough to maintain a decent multiplayer game, well then, in that moment, you don't meet the requirements necessary.
thank goodness then that Elite is a single player game as well then........ at least according to steam
There is a song about this, regarding a bucket with a hole in
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No i don't keep failing to understand that. You keep failing to understand that i don't want to deal with the consequences of another persons action exclusively. I would like to prevent to changes from happening.
Every Police officer would love to be able to stop someone right in time before he commits a murder. Not just to be able to arrest him after his action. That should be reasonable and my intentions are the same. I would like to be able to prevent someone from doing bad.
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thank goodness then that Elite is a single player game as well then........ at least according to steam
There is a song about this, regarding a bucket with a hole in
Thats it what you say? I give you a valid argument that indeed you sometimes don't meet the requirements and this is your answer?
Have you seen Minority Report? They had psychics and they still got it wrong, what's your plan?
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You have failed to understand it from the start, It has been stated and stated and stated that even in OPEN.. that you will deal with consequences of Others actions and have NO way to physically counter them.
And since you want to bring real life into this.. You vote for a candidate for mayor.. what you are wanting to do is set up shop in front of the voting booth you used and kill people voting against you or intimidate them. Then complain when your candidate lost and say the system is unfair and all of the other voting booths in the city are illegal because you couldn't physically guard each of them against people voting against you.
And we keep telling you that if people don't want to see you, they won't, but the message isn't going through. It's been like that from the start and it'll stay that way.
Oh he does meet the requirements, he can play Solo !
While I understand (I think) what you are looking for in a (this?) game, I would respectfully suggest you are taking this a tiny bit seriously. Remember, for plenty of people, it is just a game, something they do for fun, to relax, it's not real.
So, let's just say that FD decide to create a second, Open only game, and gave everyone who already owns it, and everyone who subsequently buys it, a second CMDR, to play the second game. Who would play that game?
1. Players who play only Solo? I doubt they'd ever use their second free CMDR, since they don't play Open now, it would seem unlikely.
2. Players who currently play in Groups or Solo? As above, I cannot see their motivation for suddenly using a game mode that they have no interest in.
3. Players who mode switch to be able to play with friends in Open, and other friends in Group? Well, they might, assuming all their Open friends decided they wanted to play this Open only mode, although they would of course be disadvantaged when they go back to playing group as their Group CMDR would not have progressed while they were in Open only.
4. Players who mode swap between Open and Solo to respectively shoot and avoid being shot by other CMDRs? These are the contentious ones, and in the main, they are the ones that all these arguments are about. They are the ones who apparently build up their credits and ships in Solo and then leap out into Open, or burrow away beneath the scenes changing the galaxy where no one can interfere with them. I honestly don't see them choosing Open only mode, do you?
5. People who play Open only now, such as yourself? Maybe, I don't know. You presumably would, but there may be other people who mode swap for entirely benign reasons, mood, Internet availability, amount of time free to play the game. They really may not see the benefit of building up and maintaining two different entirely separate CMDRs.
The fact is, you would like FD to force all those players to be in Open all the time, essentially to enrich your ingame experience, and I'm pretty sure they won't do that. In order to try and accommodate the widest possible player base, FD give us the ability to play how we want, not how you want, and not even how they might want.
It may not be perfect, but it is after all just a game. You are free to take it as seriously as you like, but you cannot expect everyone else to do the same for your benefit.
I said in the very moment he is about to commit a murder. That doesn't imply some uberpowers, that does imply that all three parties are at the same place, at the same time and something bad will happen in the next moment, or it will be prevented.
That was just another example that you don't get what i mean, or, but i don't want to accuse you with this, you are twisting those details with intention.
I'm actually going to go and watch Minority Report. Enjoy.
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Another example. I know that i have to deal with the consequences and i know that i wouldn't be able to stop everyone individually. But separate modes spoil the opportunity i would have with just a single mode available. This was a part of my proposal/complaint all the time.
And don't bring election into this again. The mechanics behind an election should not be the same mechanics applied to how PP works. Because this would automatically exclude the skirmish and dog eat dog situations announced in kickstarter.
no I gave you the EXACT and objectively correct reason of why I DO pretty much always meet the requirements.
Solo needs a few MB per hr. with 2 yogurt pots and a piece of string (aka my PAYG mobile phone) I think I can manage a few MB per hr. it is not I behaving like an ostrich and burying my head in the sand sir. I bought this game knowing many of its mechanisms and whilst currently you can rightly argue it is failing some of them, the 3 modes is NOT one of these areas.
game advertises Solo.... Sometimes I have to use Solo. I knew this was an issue for me and hence why it was always an essential thing I looked into BEFORE purchase, and no I have no interest in 2 accounts for 2 characters thank you. at this current rate with 1 commander I may make triple elite before I die... but doing it on TWO accounts? no thanks!.
jeeez!. Sometimes I feel like that guy of scanners
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But he sometimes doesn't for multiplayer. Stop acting like you don't have any sense of understanding other peoples opinions and arguments.
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Have fun. Seems like you don't want to or are unable to respond without twisting minor details that would lead to a constructive discussion in this Open/Group vs. Solo discussion.
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But you sometimes do not meet them for multiplayer. That easy.
Quick question if you please. Since you know for a fact that after 2.5 years what you want is not going to happen, how many years will you keep making Ermintrude dizzy? You have expressed your opinion and that's absolutely right but consider that FD have also expressed their opinion and I'm happy to take a bet on which one prevails. I'm not sure how stating your case again and again in the manner of that Swedish King (that I cannot name due to bizarre forum filters) whom decided to stop the tide, helps things.
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