Should have just combat logged.

[scorpyon]

PP and the recent changes make tracking down players much easier than before. And obviously they need to be online to find them.

If your serious in wanting to know and put in the effort (since it takes some) and not just tolling/scoffing, I can PM. But I wouldnt post it here to broadcast the method so people learn how to avoid it.

 

[jacozilla]

If you're Wanted, I'll shoot without warning.

If you're Hostile I'll shoot without warning.

If a mission requires me to kill civiian ships and you happen to be in the target area I'll shoot without warning.

If I want to get a reputation as a ruthless killer with the associated bounty on me, I'll shoot without warning.

All of the above are in the spirit of the game.

It is a factual statement that all you have pointed out is allowed by the game. It is purely your opinion only whether that is the 'spirit of the game'.

Just because something is allowed doesn't mean it makes it right.

*not giving up your seat on a bus or train to an elderly person is allowed
*taunting someone in grief at a funeral is allowed
*evicting tenants into homelessness long as code and regulations are followed are allowed

Doesn't mean it doesn't make you a miserable human being far as many in society are concerned.

 

[Blindiside6]

In solo - I would like the game to be offline with a save/ reload feature. In absence of a reload earlier save option combat logging before ship destruction is the next best thing.

In open – it’s different. Combat logging is clearly an exploit and cheat. So I’ll either surrender cargo if trading or accept destruction if beaten fairly in combat.
However asking for goods to be marked ‘abandoned’ is also IMO an exploit. If a pirate insists on this I insist it's stolen or bye-bye...

 

[Hacker#451563]

It is a factual statement that all you have pointed out is allowed by the game. It is purely your opinion only whether that is the 'spirit of the game'.

Just because something is allowed doesn't mean it makes it right.

*not giving up your seat on a bus or train to an elderly person is allowed
*taunting someone in grief at a funeral is allowed
*evicting tenants into homelessness long as code and regulations are followed are allowed

Doesn't mean it doesn't make you a miserable human being far as many in society are concerned.

Not using RL examples for game-play in a make belive future is also allowed.

 

[GluttonyFang]

Fold

Um... one should kind of expect that in open... just saying?

Combat logging doesn't win anything but shame.

What ship were you in when the Clipper was chasing you? Were you high-waking? If you're not as fast as a Clipper, why did you not circle the Clipper for high wake?

You're sticking to Solo because you can't stand that there are different kinds of people in open? Instead of learning how to deal with them, you just want to run away from them. Okay then, enjoy.

This feels like more of a momentary rage thread, hope you recover...

 

[scorpyon]

Um... one should kind of expect that in open... just saying?

Combat logging doesn't win anything but shame.

What ship were you in when the Clipper was chasing you? Were you high-waking? If you're not as fast as a Clipper, why did not you circle the Clipper for high wake?

You're sticking to Solo because you can't stand that there are different kinds of people in open? Instead of learning how to deal with them, you just want to run away from them. Okay then, enjoy.

This feels like more of a momentary rage thread, hope you recover...

Its maybe worth noting that I didnt combat log. Never have. Never will. But you can see why people feel the temptation.

I was in a clipper. Kitted for trading but no cargo. So I should have been faster. Bu thats a moot point anyway. It doesnt really matter. Though you shouldnt be able to outrace another clipper with hard points out. And especially when firing continually.

No, I'm not sticking to Solo. Just using it for non combat stuff since tht is apparently the way FrontDoor Dev want it to work.
I'll pop back into Open to kill other players as thats what people say Open is all about.

And yeah, it was a momentary rage thread, but also was supposed to be in good humour as te final paragraph suggests. But I guess some people dont appear to have read to the end before succumbing to the urge to write a scathing retort! Heh heh!
(Not referring to you here in case you woder)

 

[jacozilla]

Not using RL examples for game-play in a make belive future is also allowed.

Always makes me chuckle that people like you believe a simulation that involves real human beings within the social sim, played in real life, somehow does not count as "real life". Are you not in the "real world" when you are in college because you are in your college bubble?

Are you playing Elite within some special hologram with no other real humans?

The person I responded to used specific justifications as to why he is allowed to do what he wants - I did the same. Calling one non-real life and the other real life when both involve social interactions betweens humans is just silly. What you are trying to parse and make separate is ONLINE interaction between humans vs. face to face interaction.

BOTH are real life. If you don't believe so, that just makes the future of human evolvement a bleak one if more people think like you as online interaction is obviously here to stay, and grow.

 

[askavir]

You lost a ship / fight mate, it just happens every once and a while, don't need to get angry about it.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

 

[Blindiside6]

It is a factual statement that all you have pointed out is allowed by the game. It is purely your opinion only whether that is the 'spirit of the game'.

Just because something is allowed doesn't mean it makes it right.

*not giving up your seat on a bus or train to an elderly person is allowed
*taunting someone in grief at a funeral is allowed
*evicting tenants into homelessness long as code and regulations are followed are allowed

Doesn't mean it doesn't make you a miserable human being far as many in society are concerned.

Aside from the irrelevance to the game these examples are flawed.

*Giving up your seat to an elderly person could be taken as an insult. It's ignorant to assume they old and therefore frail.
*Taunting at a funeral would be seen as breach of the peace and public disorder. In the UK you would tangibly be breaking the law.
*Evicting a tenant that cannot pay (or perhaps will not) is subject to very strict laws that some would argue favour the tenant. That aside it is not the property owners responsibility to house the homeless this is the responsibility of the state. If people are homeless then wider society has failed them.

 

[{SAS}Stalker]

Um... one should kind of expect that in open... just saying?

Combat logging doesn't win anything but shame.

What ship were you in when the Clipper was chasing you? Were you high-waking? If you're not as fast as a Clipper, why did not you circle the Clipper for high wake?

You're sticking to Solo because you can't stand that there are different kinds of people in open? Instead of learning how to deal with them, you just want to run away from them. Okay then, enjoy.

This feels like more of a momentary rage thread, hope you recover...

Just this ^, if you "HAVE" to do anything then high wake, its faster anyway!

 

[CMDR Malkov]

This thread is just getting silly.

I think the point the OP was trying to make is that even though he was a little angry about this incident and it didn't fit with his ethics on how people should behave he managed at least to accept it with a little grace by not combat logging and instead vowing to avenge the act. Fair enough..

 

[scorpyon]

This thread is just getting silly.

I think the point the OP was trying to make is that even though he was a little angry about this incident and it didn't fit with his ethics on how people should behave he managed at least to accept it with a little grace by not combat logging and instead vowing to avenge the act. Fair enough..

Boom!
Was wondering if I had completely not got the message across! Heh!

 

[FredTA]

Did you have bounties in other systems? If he kill warrant scanned you and saw a big bounty elsewhere...that's fair enough IMO, and wouldn't make him a greifer

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Residual cleanup

Little uncalled for dude, how exactly will insulting this guy help? If anything it will make him more frustrated, IMO if anyone's blowing things outta proportion here, sorry but it's you..

 

[scorpyon]

Did you have bounties in other systems? If he kill warrant scanned you and saw a big bounty elsewhere...that's fair enough IMO, and wouldn't make him a greifer

No, wasnt wanted. But no scan either in any case. Just der pewpew. Lol.

 

[FredTA]

No, wasnt wanted. But no scan either in any case. Just der pewpew. Lol.

In that case ouch, that sucks

 

[lonewarrior]

I've always been against the idea of combat logging. It feels a bit of a cheap win.

So I lost an interdiction battle for the first time ever the other day to some schmuck pirate. No matter.
I try and talk to the guy. Ask what he wants. Nothing on me anyway aside from some supplies which are worthless.
No reply other than lasers to the face. Yay another griefer.

I'm not kitted out for a fight this time so I have no choice other than to run. But somehow this oter clipper is faster than mine even with 4 pips to Engines and repeated boosting. He's able to stay right on my tail and non stop firing. Which is obv nonsense anyway.

So I die.
And yes I'm peeved.
And yes I'm going to stick to Solo for doing Power Play since its a lot easier to do what you want there to screw over the idiots who seem to love KoS like its some sort of ePeen.

That said...
I'll be back for that guy with my vulture when i'm done. Nobody cheap shots my ass without payback. Fancy clipper? Fancy spacedust soon...

You are pledged to a power, you probably got killed by another CMDR from an "Enemy" power, he wasn't a griefer, it's a completely 100% legit and endorsed method of play, he doesn't need to send a message as that takes time in which you can escape
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He can waste time and space on his ship with scanners while you escape or high jump away or he can assume you in the system to undermine it or he can just shoot you to stop you getting or returning merits, all of which helps his power and/or damages yours

 

[jacozilla]

Aside from the irrelevance to the game these examples are flawed.

*Giving up your seat to an elderly person could be taken as an insult. It's ignorant to assume they old and therefore frail.
*Taunting at a funeral would be seen as breach of the peace and public disorder. In the UK you would tangibly be breaking the law.
*Evicting a tenant that cannot pay (or perhaps will not) is subject to very strict laws that some would argue favour the tenant. That aside it is not the property owners responsibility to house the homeless this is the responsibility of the state. If people are homeless then wider society has failed them.

Well we can both toss around the word flawed but of course only I am right, since in your examples refuting mine - your entire debate is predicated on one single assumption - that social interaction between humans is not "real" because it takes place online vs. in person.

-So by your standards, being rude to an elderly person online, is just fine - long as you don't do it to their face on a physical bus

-Taunting at a funeral - say a memorial erected ONLINE for victims of whatever disaster on Facebook would also not be 'real life' as that too is online social interaction

-I did say as long as code and regulation are followed re: evicting - sad truth is I do know the laws, and while correct - it is not imo moral - I admit that is my opinion but I think many share that belief, that just because you CAN evict people doesn't make it right.

So the flaw remains in your response - you predicate social interaction as somehow not of equal measure for owning consequences of your actions whether you do that in a social medium that is new to humanity - online technology having provided this new forum - vs what used to be a mandatory requirement for human social interaction - all the good as well as cruelty possible.

 

[Kazacy]

I've always been against the idea of combat logging. It feels a bit of a cheap win.

So I lost an interdiction battle for the first time ever the other day to some schmuck pirate. No matter.
I try and talk to the guy. Ask what he wants. Nothing on me anyway aside from some supplies which are worthless.
No reply other than lasers to the face. Yay another griefer.

I'm not kitted out for a fight this time so I have no choice other than to run. But somehow this oter clipper is faster than mine even with 4 pips to Engines and repeated boosting. He's able to stay right on my tail and non stop firing. Which is obv nonsense anyway.

So I die.
And yes I'm peeved.
And yes I'm going to stick to Solo for doing Power Play since its a lot easier to do what you want there to screw over the idiots who seem to love KoS like its some sort of ePeen.

That said...
I'll be back for that guy with my vulture when i'm done. Nobody cheap shots my ass without payback. Fancy clipper? Fancy spacedust soon...

Translation: i lost a ship in a surprisingly fair fight and now i am hurt. Get over man, we talk about pixels in a virtual fantasy.

 

[Blindiside6]

Well we can both toss around the word flawed but of course only I am right, since in your examples refuting mine - your entire debate is predicated on one single assumption - that social interaction between humans is not "real" because it takes place online vs. in person.

-So by your standards, being rude to an elderly person online, is just fine - long as you don't do it to their face on a physical bus

-Taunting at a funeral - say a memorial erected ONLINE for victims of whatever disaster on Facebook would also not be 'real life' as that too is online social interaction

-I did say as long as code and regulation are followed re: evicting - sad truth is I do know the laws, and while correct - it is not imo moral - I admit that is my opinion but I think many share that belief, that just because you CAN evict people doesn't make it right.

So the flaw remains in your response - you predicate social interaction as somehow not of equal measure for owning consequences of your actions whether you do that in a social medium that is new to humanity - online technology having provided this new forum - vs what used to be a mandatory requirement for human social interaction - all the good as well as cruelty possible.

I’m already scolding myself for responding the first time. Never argue with a fool, other people can’t tell you apart.

 

[ZaphodBeeble]

Sure - and this is precisely why people have been asking for some sort of PvP flag / similar since 1.0!

It would rectify all the problems and nobody would be able to claim they were unfairly killed because they would have had to enable the flag.

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.