High res logging?
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come on people are we not getting a little too political correct !!
If I come to a semi dead HIRES I will reset the instance, if that is deemed banable : Bye , Bye Elite.
If I could ban FD for things not working, Things not working as intended, things missing, things still not fixed , I guess Fd would resume game making some time in 2375...
Now I know this is not something FD is calling for so they are of the hook..
Cant we just agree upon that behaviour that directly negatively affects/ruins the game for other people are bannable offenses.
As for combat logging, it is in fact more complicated when you think of it and I dont see a "fair" solution to it anytime soon.
What does make my urine boil though, is that the Cmdr's instigating combat are very often those that combat log.. figure that out..
Cheers Cmdr's
If I come to a semi dead HIRES I will reset the instance, if that is deemed banable : Bye , Bye Elite.
If I could ban FD for things not working, Things not working as intended, things missing, things still not fixed , I guess Fd would resume game making some time in 2375...
Now I know this is not something FD is calling for so they are of the hook..
Cant we just agree upon that behaviour that directly negatively affects/ruins the game for other people are bannable offenses.
As for combat logging, it is in fact more complicated when you think of it and I dont see a "fair" solution to it anytime soon.
What does make my urine boil though, is that the Cmdr's instigating combat are very often those that combat log.. figure that out..
Cheers Cmdr's
......... So I have an empty res.
I fly out and in again to reset. Suddenly there is a totally different set of ships from before. Loads of pythons. Yay.
Now. Is this realistic?
Nah, I'll log out all the same chaps. I think there are a few to many people who are forgetting this is a game. Played for fun. If your idea of fun is waiting for more ships to spawn ( sorry - fly in) then good for you.
I'm off to work. That's my real life.
I fly out and in again to reset. Suddenly there is a totally different set of ships from before. Loads of pythons. Yay.
Now. Is this realistic?
Nah, I'll log out all the same chaps. I think there are a few to many people who are forgetting this is a game. Played for fun. If your idea of fun is waiting for more ships to spawn ( sorry - fly in) then good for you.
I'm off to work. That's my real life.
Nah, its either that or fly tediously from station to station for a half a mill at a time... So really, If i don't like trading I've got very little choice.
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......... So I have an empty res.
I fly out and in again to reset. Suddenly there is a totally different set of ships from before. Loads of pythons. Yay.
Now. Is this realistic?
Nah, I'll log out all the same chaps. I think there are a few to many people who are forgetting this is a game. Played for fun. If your idea of fun is waiting for more ships to spawn ( sorry - fly in) then good for you.
I'm off to work. That's my real life.
Exactly.
Was hoping to not make this thread about combat logging - that's been rehashed and deemed bannable. So case closed.
And was hoping to not argue whether trade logging or high-res logging by itself is good or bad. Because from my pov - whether I agree or not that trade / high-res logging is good, bad, an exploit - is less important than simple consistency which is why i asked the question in OP. (both are good, both are bad is consistent belief. but mixing one is good, one is bad is odd logic)
If you think trade logging is fine, ok good. If you think high-res logging is fine, same thing.
But if you think one is good, but other is an "exploit" - that seems inconsistent because both achieve the exact same thing via the exact same means. As there has been no one in this thread of that point of view, seems like case here is closed too. As in, the people who are willing to be vocal in other threads as against trade logging but probably ok with high res logging don't want to speak out when it is obviously pointed out that their position seems inconsistent in that regard.
And was hoping to not argue whether trade logging or high-res logging by itself is good or bad. Because from my pov - whether I agree or not that trade / high-res logging is good, bad, an exploit - is less important than simple consistency which is why i asked the question in OP. (both are good, both are bad is consistent belief. but mixing one is good, one is bad is odd logic)
If you think trade logging is fine, ok good. If you think high-res logging is fine, same thing.
But if you think one is good, but other is an "exploit" - that seems inconsistent because both achieve the exact same thing via the exact same means. As there has been no one in this thread of that point of view, seems like case here is closed too. As in, the people who are willing to be vocal in other threads as against trade logging but probably ok with high res logging don't want to speak out when it is obviously pointed out that their position seems inconsistent in that regard.
I don't have a problem with trade logging as such. I'd not do it though, there is precious little activity while trading as is, getting my Anaconda through the slot is about as exciting as it gets...
I agree with this, and in the spirit of the OP, it's no different than logging of any sort, even combat logging, other than the fact that it irks the customer base which is why it's frowned upon. It's still using the logging aspect to alter intended gameplay to gain an advantage.
If you primarily do one thing, you're probably not going to complain about exploits that help you out, but you might complain about exploits that affect other aspects you don't even use.
I think in Open everyone should play straight up, no logging whatsoever for exploit reasons. In solo, who cares.
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Hear hear
If anybody finds the game so boring that they use logging to speed up the transition from dock to hyperspace then you really have to wonder why they are even playing. Logging to reset a RES is slightly different, in that it's absurd that a RES 'resets' at all and the entire problem comes from the fact that the way spawns are handled is bad.
I get why they have to reset on a technical level. But , just make HiRES have an 85-90% chance of spawning big baddies and be done with it.
Both need to be fixed, but I doubt the instance reloading can be fixed, the main difference between the 2 is, one is used to evade functionality in order to save time, the other could be considered as something that improves game play, I would expect a fix at some point, but in reality they aren't prominent bugs and they don't really affect anyone else's game play in a drastic manner.
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why not punish logging completely no matter the reason? man, this is an online game, nobody should be allowed to log out anyhow!
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Sorry, but i agree that combat logging is something that effects player interaction (in pvp). but all other reasons to relog, while beeing lame, are not to be prosecuted by the game, community or the devs (imho).
everbody should be able play this how he likes it up to the point where it affects others.
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why not punish logging completely no matter the reason? man, this is an online game, nobody should be allowed to log out anyhow!
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Sorry, but i agree that combat logging is something that effects player interaction (in pvp). but all other reasons to relog, while beeing lame, are not to be prosecuted by the game, community or the devs (imho).
everbody should be able play this how he likes it up to the point where it affects others.
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The practice doesn't harm other players, so I don't really mind if people do it, but I cant see the point. The time you wast doing this is surly not worth the profit you eventually make when you find a good instance.
I roll play in game and 'res logging' would totally destroy that. Here is a copy of A comment I made on a thread bemoaning the quietness of RESs:
I often drop in to a RES or a Nav for a spot of bounty hunting. Sometimes there is prey, sometimes not. When there isn't I don't start logging off and on or just hang around to see if anything turns up. Back in to SC and start interdicting. Plenty of wanted ships cruising about.
I roll play in game and 'res logging' would totally destroy that. Here is a copy of A comment I made on a thread bemoaning the quietness of RESs:
I often drop in to a RES or a Nav for a spot of bounty hunting. Sometimes there is prey, sometimes not. When there isn't I don't start logging off and on or just hang around to see if anything turns up. Back in to SC and start interdicting. Plenty of wanted ships cruising about.
All well and good, but when trying to fit out an Anaconda playing that way means it's going to take hundreds of hours to get ANYWHERE. Nothing happening for hundreds of hours is terrible, terrible game design.
Pretty weak reasoning there. I want to farm/battle pirates, where should i go then? Sitting on my butt waiting for a pirate to appear at random times if any isn't my idea of fun. Making it persistent for continuity is all good, only if it is given that something is happening at a steady rate. I don't mind waiting for 5 minutes if pirates would come out of super cruise bringing their friends with them fighting me and calling for reinforcement etc. But waiting for a vessel to appear for 15 minutes and seeing only 4-5 baddies in 30 minutes is just boring.
We really have jumped the shark. Sheesh.
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And me. In fact they can have my name, email address, account name and the number of times in a day I have to reset the instance to get a decent spawn.
Bug report here - https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=162479
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And don't forget "rank logging" - where, because naval ascension rankings are borked, people are logging in and out to spawn hundreds of charity missions so that they can get the frikkin' naval missions.
And of course "stutter logging" where people have to tweak their settings so the game doesn't stutter.
And of course "stutter logging" where people have to tweak their settings so the game doesn't stutter.
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Completely unclear what your response means other than you support high res logging.
Do you support high res logging and trade logging? Or do you support only high-res logging and somehow find trade logging to be an exploit?
The OP of the thread wasn't high res logging = good or bad, or trade logging = good or bad, but simply how can you support one but not the other, if that is a person's position.
You're trying to conflate the two things. I tell you what, I'll bite. I support any damn thing that is a workaround for a poor implementation of game mechanics.
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Exactly this.
I play and work from home.
If work related stuff comes up, I log out .
5 minutes later I'm back in game.
How is this cheating?
I live in RES,
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why don't they just make high intensity load the bigger ships?
Its stupid to only see Eagles and Cobras for hours...... Makes no sense.
I just don't understand why you would log in and out, talk about immersion breaking. If the only reason you play Elite is to increase your bank balance and that is the be all and end all then maybe but to me this means you don't really aren't understanding the game and will get bored of it.