Well, do you want to sit and stare at asteroids for 60 minutes or do you want to shoot ships and earn 15 million credits in 60 minutres?
I know what I want to do.
High res logging?
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Well, do you want to sit and stare at asteroids for 60 minutes or do you want to shoot ships and earn 15 million credits in 60 minutres?
I know what I want to do.
And that's fine. You sense aggression where there is none. You made a very unclear response with just "we really have jumped the shark.sheesh". Clearly it communicatoed annoyance or dissatisfaction, but at what, and by what supporting reasoning you did not say.
Your follow up here however does - which is why I asked.
And you probably did not read the whole thread or the whole OP - I don't personally care which position anyone supports, although I lean towards letting people do whatever they want with trade or high-res logging.
The only issue, the only topic I raised in the OP was there were vocal opponents of trade logging in various threads recently, but no high res logging opponents.
And in my mind, you have the perfect right to logically support both, condemn both, but is bizarre to rationalize support for one but not the other - since both are uses of a mechanic by players to get around time issues.
In the case of RES, not because of bank balance. Got an A-rated Conda or Python and you end up shooting wanted Adders and Sidewinders rather than Pythons and Clippers? Now that is boring. And please don't give me the "go to a Combat Zone" guff.
What about people who combat log against NPCs? Those who maybe shouldn't have survived then go on to fight another day with the same amount of credits and/or ship.
I was really excited about planetary landings and being able to directly extract resources... but now I'm worried about being punished for logging...
Once again (as with Trade Logging) how do you expect this to be governed exactly?
You logged out in a RES, so you must be exploiting?
What if:
- I got disconnected
- I went to the toilet
- I went to take care of my injured child
- I went to get a snack
- I went to bed
- I got bored and wanted to play something else
- I saw a hostile ship and wanted to leave rather than get tangled in a fight (It's not combat logging if you aren't in combat ^^ ).
Etc etc ...
dayrth
Volunteer Moderator
Resource extraction sites are supposed to be for miners. The high intensity ones are supposed to provide more minerals to extract but also have a higher risk of piracy. If that risk was big powerful pirate ships appearing all the time though, it would make the site unusable. I know people want to bounty hunt and make lots of money, but it seems unfair to demand changes to a feature designed for others that would ruin it for them. Bounty hunting should be about hunting down your quarry not having them line up in front of you like a shooting gallery. Got to any system with an anarchy faction in it and you will find many pirates is sc for you to interdict.
Oh, not that old chestnut. Whilst we do have pirates in RES then make it work consistently. Otherwise, take it out.
And once again you miss my point - the OP and every follow up I've made in this thread.
I don't care whether trade logging and high res logging is - or is not - enforced. I don't care if people decide to do one , both, or none.
What I asked because I cared enough to be puzzled by what seemed to be the dichotomy, perhaps even mild hypocrisy, was -
-IF you are for both forms of logging, fine
-IF you are against both forms of logging, fine
-IF you are for one, but not the other - THAT is what I believe is irrational.
Log out against an NPC?
Why?
All you need to do is full engines, spam boost, jump out.
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What about logging out for station take offs, if you are lazy and can't be bothered flying out of mass lock.
Relog and boom, 10K out from station.
Nope. Your premise is false. Conflation.
It's like saying "I can't understand people who don't like marmite but who do like jam. If you are for one, but not the other - THAT is what I believe is irrational."
And really what you are trying to do is force a non-existent argument.
Close the thread, it's a waste of time.
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You say that word as if you know what it means, but clearly do not. You analogy is a false substitution. The more correct analogy to paraphrase your own would be:
"You say you like jam, but you don't like people that like jam"
There is no conflation, one goes with the other.
-Trade logging is using the game mechanic of logging out to save you the time of manually flying out of the station, saving you time
-Hi-res loggig is using the game mechanic of logging out to save you the time of manually flying out of the hi-res instance, saving you time
What part of the above are you confused or disagree with? Saying conflation doesn't make it so. If you don't believe the above is what trade logging and/or high-res logging is, explain so in actual substantive form.
In the analogy I paraphrased - logging out is jam. People who high-res log out are using that jam and liking it.
But then those same people who say trade loggers who eat that same jam (logging out to save time), they dislike or disapprove.
That is irrational.
Not being able to understand this extremely simple comparison without misunderstood, non-substantive retorts like conflation where none exists, is a waste of time.
In short - YOU - are a waste of time.
Close your contribution to the thread if you feel it has no value. Clearly it does to some.
And once again, you have missed MY point.
The one being that it is pointless arguing about something which cannot be rectified in any meaningful way by an arbiter (in this case, FD).
Sure, you could wage a little one-man campaign and try to influence people into claiming that people who do X are smelly, evil gubbins who should be shunned by society. But even if you got the whole of your small, local community to agree with you (eg, people on these forums), if there's no way of executing any meaningful jurisdiction in the greater community (eg, the actual game), then the whole point is really a bit moot.
There's no value in discussing it.
So I'm not sure why I am even posting here anymore, come to think of it...
Ok...
Hopefully at least that drives the point home... maybe...
dayrth
Volunteer Moderator
I don't think I can agree with this. Just because you can't change something, doesn't mean you don't have an opinion on it. I can't see the problem with asking others what there opinion on it is, either.
P.S. I'm not convinced that no action could be taken anyway. If FD decided it was unacceptable.
I think what I was trying to get across on this particular point is that there are too many variables involved in this sort of thing.
It would be a maintenance nightmare for FD, not to mention the number of players that would get annoyed if they were penalised for just leaving the game when they want to.
Which (imo) should be the basic tenant of any game, really. A game shouldn't force you to stay in the game. Examples of where this goes wrong are in games like Dota and CS where the "punishment" for choosing not to play any more (even fro legitimate reasons) are ridiculously harsh and over the top.
(Again, just my opinion)
Once you start employing these sorts of things, this is where the game starts to encroach dangerously on the real lives of players and which is why we start to see these things in the news about neglect and the like. It's a slippery road, really. And all because of someone out there in cyberspace who didn't like people having a sense of free will...
It would be a maintenance nightmare for FD, not to mention the number of players that would get annoyed if they were penalised for just leaving the game when they want to.
Which (imo) should be the basic tenant of any game, really. A game shouldn't force you to stay in the game. Examples of where this goes wrong are in games like Dota and CS where the "punishment" for choosing not to play any more (even fro legitimate reasons) are ridiculously harsh and over the top.
(Again, just my opinion)
Once you start employing these sorts of things, this is where the game starts to encroach dangerously on the real lives of players and which is why we start to see these things in the news about neglect and the like. It's a slippery road, really. And all because of someone out there in cyberspace who didn't like people having a sense of free will...
My point is though, why should FD ban people or effect any other kind of punishment for people who log for any other reason other than PvP combat logging (as it makes no difference to anyone else but the individual doing the logging)?
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