A BIG Rant

[Wicz]

If they put this forum "in game" then everyone would have something to do!

You win

 

[Krait_79]

Everyone should have to pledge to a power?

I role play my commander as a mercenary and whilst i did pledge for a short time to see what the fuss was about it totally didn't fit with my commander's ethos

Remember we are supposed to be blazing our own trails. We shouldn't be forced into anything.

As for all the complaints well some people backed this game with a lot of money. They have a right to voice their concerns as a result

 

[Vasea Azure]

Everyone should have to pledge to a power?

I role play my commander as a mercenary and whilst i did pledge for a short time to see what the fuss was about it totally didn't fit with my commander's ethos

Remember we are supposed to be blazing our own trails. We shouldn't be forced into anything.

As for all the complaints well some people backed this game with a lot of money. They have a right to voice their concerns as a result

I was about to say the same, o7

 

[Achilles7]

Here is my opportunity to get my big rant out of the way!

I love ED, but it could be a bit better!..erm that's it, really! Okay, I admit, my ranting needs some work..

 

[Sergio Smegolia]

I have played both old and new games all my life, from both sides of the spectrum

Wait, wut?? It was DOUBLE-SIDED? You could flip it over and it had another keyboard and everything on the other side? WHY DID NO ONE EVER TELL ME THIS!!

And just to nitpick, a spectrum doesn't have sides. That's what makes it a spectrum

 

[FredTA]

The thread is a waste of space - it will just turn into a discussion/argument between people like you and people like me and serve no actual purpose. At least the complaint and criticism threads generally have ideas and suggestions in them, whether of any use to FD or not - at least people are talking about the game itself and not talking about people talking about the game!

It's a optimistic thread, does it really hurt to have a thread of a guy being positive towards the game?
Often the criticism threads (not always, but often) are completely unconstructive, there was one yesterday titled "This game is so pathetic" and the guy was spreading hate towards the devs for his own mistake of flying without insurance

 

[Achilles7]

Wait, wut?? It was DOUBLE-SIDED? You could flip it over and it had another keyboard and everything on the other side? WHY DID NO ONE EVER TELL ME THIS!!

And just to nitpick, a spectrum doesn't have sides. That's what makes it a spectrum

I've had enough of this forum with your fancy 3 digit IQs..I'm off to find an Xbox specific site..

 

[Soliluna]

Phew, I thought you would be ranting about the game, a guy the other day was complaining about how the game asks you for conformation to "save and quit" I just wish the "fanbase" would give FD a freakin break!

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It's a thread urging people to give FD a rest, they've worked like hell since the start and all people seem to do! IMO this thread is very welcome

They've worked like hell - and have been adequately compensated with game sales and wages lol, I don't mean to detract from the fabulous work they have done with the game but this argument always irks me. "They've worked so hard!!", yeah and been paid. So time to go to work again. Like the rest of us.

 

[LeetNoob]

It's a optimistic thread, does it really hurt to have a thread of a guy being positive towards the game?
Often the criticism threads (not always, but often) are completely unconstructive, there was one yesterday titled "This game is so pathetic" and the guy was spreading hate towards the devs for his own mistake of flying without insurance

It's not optimistic, it's actually really negative about the communities active feedback and suggestions, and the members of the community.
It's head in the sand fanboy defensiveness and comes across as quite arrogant and condescending.

I agree there's is lot's of overly negative and unconstructive threads started here too, but the answer is not to create overly defensive and unconstructive threads either.

The game is still good but has lot's of problem's and also lot's of potential. That is why there is so much discussion on these forums. If the game was perfect there would not be. Much worse, if the game was a lost cause there also would not be.

We don't need people to start threads on how we all should shut up because he thinks the game is perfect and 'will somebody please think of the developers'.

 

[FredTA]

They've worked like hell - and have been adequately compensated with game sales and wages lol, I don't mean to detract from the fabulous work they have done with the game but this argument always irks me. "They've worked so hard!!", yeah and been paid. So time to go to work again. Like the rest of us.

Back in beta they were some nights were there were constant updates, that's some serious overtime and hard work, I'm fairly sure a lot of us don't work that hard!

 

[tarks382]

Here is my opportunity to get my big rant out of the way!

I love ED, but it could be a bit better!..erm that's it, really! Okay, I admit, my ranting needs some work..

Yes, I'm afraid it does. Some CAPITAL LETTERS, preferably attached to some CRUDE SUPERLATIVES are an easy place to start. A bit basic bit you'll enjoy the sense of MINDLESS NOISE that it engenders. Then you can nip over and join our friend below, who intrinsically understands how its done.

I've had enough of this forum with your fancy 3 digit IQs..I'm off to find an Xbox specific site..

Yours,

His Pompousness Prince Kwa Kwa da Diddly Kwa Kwa.

 

[Jarsil]

The first Elite may not have a campaign, but the next ones ?

To be honest, the only thing "similar" to a campaign in both FE2 and in FFE was the Naval or Imperial progression. I still have FE2 and FFE on my Dosbox, and can't find a single prearranged campaign in the game...

 

[jabokai]

The people who criticise the devs in any kind of personal way are idiots. There are plenty of legitimate concerns, not voiced by idiots, that warrant discussion. Anyone who think the OP is "optimistic" scores zero in the "I kan readz" scale.

The devs deserve much applause - the sound, the galaxy, the graphics, the feeling of space flight. The devs deserve some criticism - the P2P networking, the (continuing) incongruous design decisions, the lack of desire to fulfil the dreams of the Kickstarter/DDA.

Nothing's perfect, nor ever will be; discussing the issues is a good thing.

 

[SirGirard]

It is time I vent my spleen, yes this is going to be a rant, there are some things that just makes me shake my head in disbelief:

THE ROADMAP
It seems that every second thread someone will complain that FD are keeping the vaulted and mythical 'Roadmap' secret and it just isn't fair. Well what do you expect! I haven't seen too many games that the developers release a complete list of their intent with dates of intended implementation. Can you imagine just what would happen if FD did release such a document:

• One third of the players would scream that the feature THEY wanted isn't included and they will personally hold everyone at FD responsible until all other projects are cancelled and their feature gets maximum effort to be developed immediately. They cry, they rant, they bleat that if their brilliant ideas aren't listened to, the game will be dead before Christmas
• One third will kind of agree with what is on the Roadmap, but will demand 'minor amendments or adjustments' to every item on the Roadmap just because they 'think' they know more than the Devs and could do the programming in a few minutes (wonders why they aren't working in the industry then huh). They cry, they rant, they bleat that if their brilliant improvements aren't implemented, the game will be dead before Christmas
• The remaining third will like what is listed in the Roadmap but totally disregard reality and demand that all features are finished and the patch released by Friday at the latest. They cry, they rant, they bleat that if the patch isn't released by Friday, the game will be dead before Christmas.

Come on guys, the staff of FD do know what they are doing, and are trying to please a very diverse group of players over a varied set of operating systems. We don't know what their plans are, maybe that is all they are are plans. Let them do their job without the continuous demands for things we may think are urgent but in the overall scheme of things could still be years away.

THE UNIVERSE
Another continuous whine I hear in these forums is: I never see another Commander, this is suppose to be a MMO, where is the PVP, there is no one to 'interact' (read shoot and annoy) with.

So lets look at the facts: The games boasts 400 BILLION (that is 400,000,000,000) Systems. Now lets assume that each system, on average has 4 planets/moons/things to fly into - that is 16,000,000,000,000 objects in the Universe. And you want all players to be jammed into a corner so you can see them? Get real, space is B I G, really really big. If FD were to introduce any semblance of realism, once you leave your starter world you would probably never see another real player again - the odds are just against it!

FD has tried to help, for those that crave human contact there are Community Quests, PowerPlay, even the creation of RES points but don't expect every player to want to participate in any of those, it isn't compulsory is it. Now FD are bringing in CQC just so those that have whined the most can engage in some pretty meaningless pew pew for bragging rights. Meanwhile the rest of us will be out exploring the galaxy.

POWER PLAY
Admission up front, I have not pledged to a power, never thought of pledging to a power, don't even read the posts about Power Play. Why, it is simple, I don't have to. And that is where I think FD made a strategic error. They let PowerPlay exist on both Solo and Open (not sure about groups but would assume there too) and then surprised when a lot of players do the dangerous stuff in Solo where they are safe.

In my own opinion, I believe PP should be all encompassing. You should not have got an option whether to participate or not. On release, every player should have had to Pledge to a power, after that it was up to them if they got involved. But by pledging, they are part of the universe and get the benefits and the danger involved. You basically have the majority of populated space involved in a war of attrition yet (guessing here, but an educated guess nevertheless) the majority of players just don't care! If PD wanted PowerPlay to work, to become part of the Universe, then it should be an option and should be restricted to Open (i.e the rewards only come to those who complete the tasks in Open).

THIS SUCKS THERE IS NOTHING TO DO
God if I hear this whine one more time I am going to, hell I don't know, shake my head in disbelief. It seems there are a lot of players who are bored with the game, and I would guess that the majority of those come from a certain demographic age wise. They are use to having structured games, with everything laid out for them in a nice linear line. They need instant gratification, if they don't they don't know if they are progressing or not. They need goals, they need an End Boss to beat. What piffle, Elite was never about that, it was always about doing your own thing. If you can't think up something to do, then maybe the fault isn't with the game but with your lack of imagination. I suspect a lot won't do some of the less action things like exploration and mining because it doesn't rake in the credits and there is no bravado or bragging attributed. Be brave, be daring, try doing something that might sound boring, you might just find it is a lot more enjoyable than you thought.

Yes, FD could do some simple things that would offer more gameplay, we have all been told that such things are coming but again, people want them NOW, right NOW or they will tell mummy.

RANT OVER
I know I am going to get roasted over these comments, how dare I suggest people should have patience, to trust FD to deliver what they promised. Remember this game has been in gestation for nearly 30 years, it has been the vision of one guy since the original Elite, I think he knows what he is doing.

A defender of the Faith methinks!

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

The people who criticise the devs in any kind of personal way are idiots. There are plenty of legitimate concerns, not voiced by idiots, that warrant discussion. Anyone who think the OP is "optimistic" scores zero in the "I kan readz" scale.

The devs deserve much applause - the sound, the galaxy, the graphics, the feeling of space flight. The devs deserve some criticism - the P2P networking, the (continuing) incongruous design decisions, the lack of desire to fulfil the dreams of the Kickstarter/DDA.

Nothing's perfect, nor ever will be; discussing the issues is a good thing.

Mostly I agree with you..... not on the P2P being a bad thing necessarily - that just depends on how you view the game, personally I think P2P CAN work in a MP game but this is my subjective view and I am not pooh poohing your doubt... but all the rest i agree with you on

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To be honest, the only thing "similar" to a campaign in both FE2 and in FFE was the Naval or Imperial progression. I still have FE2 and FFE on my Dosbox, and can't find a single prearranged campaign in the game...

FFE had a scripted story. it was not continual, it just popped up from time to time, but it was there...... and actually it was pretty good!. It was a long time ago since i played (ie I am talking about the 12 months period that I bought it) and without cheating and using google I cant be 100% certain, but I think it involved making peace with the thargoids!. I know it ended up with you being given one of their ships, which after the initial wow had worn off, actually ruined the game for me. I never made elite because of this.

Motto of that story.... be careful what you wish for regarding uber gear!. Sometimes what you think you want you really dont!.

 

[newman1702]

On being forced to participate in Power Play: imho, the way to make people participate is to make said content interesting and rewarding at the same time, not force them. The beauty of this game is choice; you alone choose what you'll do in this universe. If you want to play a lone wolf character, you can, nobody should force you to be a joiner. I for one do not wish to be forced to pledge to a power that is currently thousands of ly from my position, and as such irrelevant to me.

 

[Roybe]

TLDR:

I hate these forums because most of the posters only post about things they do not like. What they do not like does not matter...the game is in good hands. Please, just shut up.

 

[Jukelo]

And just to nitpick, a spectrum doesn't have sides. That's what makes it a spectrum

Fine, I fixed the sentence.

 

[dayrth]

And just to nitpick, a spectrum doesn't have sides. That's what makes it a spectrum

Yes it does. Look:

 

[Globusdiablo]

...Remember this game has been in gestation for nearly 30 years, it has been the vision of one guy since the original Elite, I think he knows what he is doing.

Good point. Although I'm too old to bother making points. There's no point.