Need a tip explorers

[Kancro Vantas]

HAHA sorry for the caps but laughing loudly. Okay I'm flying a ASP! I have the best for the rest of the slots but the fuel scoop (A1) Sucked lol. I was just wondering what to actually shoot for cause running around everywhere trying find one was driving me nuts. I want out of Civ space. I feel dirty here and need to get back out! I have 7.2 million right now but when I get back I will be able to buy the best one but I need the best that I can afford right now. Thanks for the replies and stupid on me for not letting everyone know what I was in.

Hmm definitely you can do improvements on that!

See, the letter tell us about the qualities of the module and the number about its size. A number 1 is the smallest possible. A letter A is the highest and best performance module. So this one, "is small but performs wonders"

The Asp has 7 internal compartments -

1 size 6
1 size 5
3 size 3
2 size 2

You can put a number 3 in a size 5 compartment but not in a size 2. It won't fit.

So, sure, you can fit a number one in any of those, but, wouldn't that be wasting space and potential performance?

You want big, and high performance module!! Provided you got the credits, the highest possible scoop in the Asp is a 6A.

With that being said, turns out that the 6A costs millions and millions and the performance is not all that much better than a 6B which is much cheaper.

From then on, you can use any combination that suits you better. Remember, B are high performance but also heaviest, D are the lightest ones, C are better than D in performance but also heavier, and not as good performance as B, etc.

I have an Asp, and because I dont mind spending 3 mins scooping, I have a 3A. 6A is 42 secs refueling,but also 28MM cr. 6B is only 5 secs slower but at 7MM saves you 21MM in comparison.

5A is 55sec but 9MM credits. So forth and so on.

Scoops have no mass so no effect on the jump range.

You can play with the options in ED Shipyard

 

[EUS]

IMHO the best value for money, and fill time is the B6, it peaks at 752Kg/s, very quick to fill that 32T tank.

 

[mono]

I use a 6C (627Kg/s) @1.2m, refill every jump (if poss) and temps rarely get above 66C from the (approx) 10s I spend scooping.

 

[Mike W]

OP, knowing what ship you are flying would help us to help you! IF you already have the top of the line scoop available for your ship, you will need to buy a larger ship then.

Let us know.





This is not entirely true. Some of us might have been quietly hoping some sort of self correction and self awareness to eventually kick in. Hoping you realize that the biggest font is not needed, as no one else's uses it?

Flipping tables, In the thousands and thousands of posts I've read, you seem to be the only one complaining that the ENTIRE forum has small fonts. ;-)

Turn the tables lol,, i think you need to learn to read, i was not, did not, never have, and never would, take the time out of my day to complain, whine or any other about such a petty, trivial thing lol,, what i did say, for the benefit of those at the back, was that i was using bigger type because it makes it a little easier for people using their phones for this,, have a pop by all means if you feel the unbearable urge to do so,, but get your facts straight first

 

[Alex Traut]

I run a 6B in my Asp as well, for deep-space exploration and ratting. I had a 6C for a long time, and it was adequate--but IMO the B really makes a difference for my purposes. I am often sprinting at high speed, especially if I'm trying to get to a client who needs refueling. Any seconds I can shave off of my jump cycle are worth it.

 

[WR3ND]

Turn the tables lol,, i think you need to learn to read, i was not, did not, never have, and never would, take the time out of my day to complain, whine or any other about such a petty, trivial thing lol,, what i did say, for the benefit of those at the back, was that i was using bigger type because it makes it a little easier for people using their phones for this,, have a pop by all means if you feel the unbearable urge to do so,, but get your facts straight first

Hi, Mike. I appreciate your consideration as I do sit quite a ways away from my monitor (AKA "TV"). However, I use the zoom function of my browser so that I can read the text on the screen. For me, that's the developer edition of Firefox and is Ctrl+ + or - to zoom in or out. I also use Firefox on my phone and do desktop by default view on it instead of the mobile setup. On my main screen, I even use a lower resolution (1366 by 768) for my desktop view so I can see things better and not have to deal with the zoom compatibility issues inside of Windows.

Long story short: Since most people use the default text size, I adjust my settings to that as needed. So overall, I'd say it's better to go with the flow.

 

[Kancro Vantas]

Turn the tables lol,,

Thanks for the correction! English is not my native language thus sometimes I slip a mistake or two. However, you did get the point! Rep for that!

i think you need to learn to read, i was not, did not, never have, and never would, take the time out of my day to complain, whine or any other about such a petty, trivial thing lol,,

Turns out it isn't so "trivial". In a forum where posters are obligated to communicate mostly by text, the form and ways of such text gain a relevant importance.

And because I was afraid you were going to say so, have a go to the Official Forum Rules, from Michael Brookes himself, regarding this "inconsequential" subject:

5.-Do not create TOPICS OR REPLIES IN ALL CAPS.
The forums will attempt to automatically lower-case or title-case your post or topic if such item is found to be excessively in use of capital letters or text.

Also, you want to check the Forum Etiquette, from our own moderators, who also bothered with trivialities such as font size:

Forum etiquette.

• Do not use all caps its considered to be SHOUTING, this also apples to increasing the font size excessively.

I know! Petty, isn't?!

what i did say, for the benefit of those at the back, was that i was using bigger type because it makes it a little easier for people using their phones for this,, have a pop by all means if you feel the unbearable urge to do so,, but get your facts straight first

Your compassion and empathy have been probably misunderstood or even taken as an attempt to raise your opinion above all others. It is now, after your explanation, that we realize you are just being CMDR HERO for all those cell phone users that are squinting their eyes right now to read this post! So please, by all means, forgive us and keep writing in all caps!! I just can't rep you enough!


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Now, just to keep in line with the topic of the thread -cause not doing so is also breaking the rules- I applaud the OP's initiative to change his ship's Fuel Scoop to something more suitable for a long trip! As Alex Traut comments above, a 6B might be exactly the one he needs!

 

[lorrad]

Turn the tables lol,, i think you need to learn to read, i was not, did not, never have, and never would, take the time out of my day to complain, whine or any other about such a petty, trivial thing lol,, what i did say, for the benefit of those at the back, was that i was using bigger type because it makes it a little easier for people using their phones for this,, have a pop by all means if you feel the unbearable urge to do so,, but get your facts straight first

Speaking of getting facts straight, your motive for posting in large font is not in fact a fact that needs getting straight but a conclusion requiring the reader to know the unknowable operation of the dusty recesses of what you call your mind, never mind your reason not being in evidence at the outset but being possibly post hoc ergo proctor hoc invention post hoc.

To wit no whining whinger thread is complete without a whinger whining about whining whingers and to [expletives deleted].

so what modules do you to like

A's the flash with cash, the stable of ships set
B's the upper middle climbers, the first shot is the good stuff, the rest cheap, can't tell after the first one right?
C's the all round suburban mom mobile, general use land rover jeep class
D's hard working poor don't stand a chance class, you can cheap out on most stuff right?
E's or less students and peasant scum, cannon fodder better be quick witted set

 

[newman1702]

I put a 6B scoop on my Asp, it's very, very fast. The scoop costs around 7 million, and unless you're rolling in credits the 6A probably isn't worth the extra 20 million (ish). You can get a stock clipper for that price difference, a bit crazy

 

[ThoroughlyLostExplorer]

Sorry for not paying attention closely while the large-font debate was going on, but has anyone mentioned temperatures and the importance of running a cool ship for surviving problematic situations with multiple / neutron stars? Having an A grade power generator (possibly of lower class) seems something the OP may consider spending money on while buying a slightly chaper, decent grade scoop.

I think that is, by and large, my opinion if I may be so bold to say so. Maybe the OP can capitalize on that. As for all others in this great forum, even small details may make a large impression. Though I must also make a point that I comma hardly complain in a sci-fi oriented forum if anyone boldly goes on this grand adventure.

 

[piugattuk]

Got a 6 D fuel scoop it's cheap and works very well.

 

[Alex Traut]

Sorry for not paying attention closely while the large-font debate was going on, but has anyone mentioned temperatures and the importance of running a cool ship for surviving problematic situations with multiple / neutron stars? Having an A grade power generator (possibly of lower class) seems something the OP may consider spending money on while buying a slightly chaper, decent grade scoop.

This. The rating of a plant is all that matters when it comes to its heat dissipation--a 2A is as good as a 5A if it gives you the power you need when you need it. This is my build:

http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=70g,0Wg,2-3I8S7_6Q5K8S8I,52C08c0KU0Ko5fa2jw2UI

I run a 2A plant on my Asp. With no weapons or shields, this provides more than enough for all of my concurrent power needs. There is absolutely no reason to not disable power hogs like the AFMU when they're not actually in use, and I typically run with stuff like the Sensors and Distributor disabled when I'm far from the bubble.

 

[Lucky Dice]

As others have said, use the biggest slot to buy the largest scoop you can afford. However, what hasn't been discussed here, is that you can also use a smaller fuel tank to speed up scooping. For example, if you use the stock 32t fuel tank on an Asp with a 6A scoop costing 28mil (link here) you can fill up the tank in approximately 32 seconds. If you drop that down to a 16t tank, you can fill up the tank in 31 seconds with a 6D scoop costing 449k (link here). You'll also get better jump range.

This is a bit of a pointless thing to say. A smaller tank doesn't fill faster, it fill just as fast. If you scoop after every jump you're tank size doesn't make a difference, you just refill what you've just used and the time that will take is entirely dependent on the fuel scoop. If you get to the point a 16T fils faster than a 32T tank it means you would have been out of fuel with 16T tank...

You can also choose not to refill your 32T tank for a while and keep it about halfway full and have the same jump range. With a 32T you do have still have to option to fill it up before you enter a region of non sequence stars.

Thinking of it, it would be pretty cool if you could dump fuel, so if get in a situation that you would need to increase your jump range a bit you could dump a few ton.

 

[Kancro Vantas]

This is a bit of a pointless thing to say. A smaller tank doesn't fill faster, it fill just as fast. If you scoop after every jump you're tank size doesn't make a difference, you just refill what you've just used and the time that will take is entirely dependent on the fuel scoop. If you get to the point a 16T fils faster than a 32T tank it means you would have been out of fuel with 16T tank...

You can also choose not to refill your 32T tank for a while and keep it about halfway full and have the same jump range. With a 32T you do have still have to option to fill it up before you enter a region of non sequence stars.

Thinking of it, it would be pretty cool if you could dump fuel, so if get in a situation that you would need to increase your jump range a bit you could dump a few ton.

True but somewhat impractical when covering long stretches of space. Let me explain.

The plotter always calculates based on the full tank mass and capacity. Plotting a route with a full tank of 32T is not the same than plotting it with a full tank of 16T. It doesn't matter if you are full or not, the plotter will consider that you have an scoop and then assumes that you will be full all way thru. This is somewhat disappointing because it will never take into consideration the lower mass and hence the longer potential jump as you go consuming that tank, which means what you must know by now: in order to squeeze that complete jump range, you must be running on fumes and plot the jump manually yourself.

Because of that, yes, having a 6B scoop with a 16T tank that refills in 10s, is faster, as your plotter will consider 16T instead of 32T for the fuel mass when jumping.

 

[Lucky Dice]

True but somewhat impractical when covering long stretches of space. Let me explain.

The plotter always calculates based on the full tank mass and capacity. Plotting a route with a full tank of 32T is not the same than plotting it with a full tank of 16T. It doesn't matter if you are full or not, the plotter will consider that you have an scoop and then assumes that you will be full all way thru. This is somewhat disappointing because it will never take into consideration the lower mass and hence the longer potential jump as you go consuming that tank, which means what you must know by now: in order to squeeze that complete jump range, you must be running on fumes and plot the jump manually yourself.

Because of that, yes, having a 6B scoop with a 16T tank that refills in 10s, is faster, as your plotter will consider 16T instead of 32T for the fuel mass when jumping.

If you put it like that it makes more sense. My response was mostly triggered by the time comparison to fill the tank though, that comparison just didn't make sense.

Regarding the auto plotting, yeah that could save you a jump here and there. Not sure how much of time safer it really is though, most jumps are not at absolutely maximum jump range anyway, but on a long journey there will be some.

I guess that part is more about personal preference. The only time it would really matter for me is when I want to reach a system that can only be reached by a minimum jump of for example 35ly and fully laden I can get only 34ly. The time I would safe from those few jumps I would be able to skip in auto plotted routes would be minimal in comparison to the time I waste at looking at pretty sights anyway. ;-) Also a bigger fuel tank allows you skip on scooping a few jumps earlier when you're almost back in inhabited space so that you could get a bit of time back.

 

[Cdr Voorheez]

I run my Asp with a 5C fuel scoop (412kg/sec/refuel time 1:17) and it costs a mere 567,106 credits. The fuel scoop rate is important to me not the time it takes to scoop. Go with the highest rate (XXXkg/sec) you can get. You dont have to spend squillions on a fuel scoop but next to the FSD its probably the most important piece of kit you can buy, so try and save for a good one. Im upgrading to a 6C after my trip to Barnards loop, see what that runs like then I will prob upgrade to a 6B after that. I will never buy a 6A simply because the diff between a 6A and a 6B performance wise is negligible for the price diff on offer: 6B: 752kg/sec @7.19 mil creds 6A: 878kg/sec @28.7 mil creds.
Mental difference.

 

[colprice2002]

Having finally afforded a 6B scoop, l have no desire to go back to a C or D.
I'm also running a 4t additional fuel tank for those long gaps between scoopables.
It's fun hearing "main tank drained" and still being able to jump 20+ ly

 

[Mango Fizz]

To OP. Did you get your scoop? I have an Asp and got a C6 scoop, costs about 2 mill cr I think. It works very well for me. I can top up in less than 30 seconds and keep the heat around 58- 64 while scooping. Fuel scooping was my weak point but a decent scoop makes it so easy.

 

[Manthing]

Thank you everyone! Getting on now to see what I will end up with. Thanks for the discussion and its helped a lot!

 

[Surly_Badger]

In my Asp I run a smaller shield and a larger scoop (invert the slots)
Your mileage may vary. But it scoops like a crazy thing.