Pirates? Out here?

[Sapient6]

i hope you are right. Exploring does feel a little too safe.

Don't get me wrong, safe is nice and relaxing But sometimes a little excitement wouldn't go amiss.

C.

It would take some really imaginative story telling to sell me on the idea that pirates should be encountered that far out. Given that piracy is a means to making money, any pirates you find 500+ LY from the nearest station are absolutely terrible at their job.

I'm not against some occasional danger added to deep space exploration (beyond glitchiness like hyperspacing through a star), but there are some stipulations. The danger ought to make sense. If it's going to be a significant and immediate threat, as opposed to the cummulative threats we experience now, then we ought to have some way to protect our data. Barring that, if there has to be significant threat and no way to protect long term exploration data, then the reward for deep space exploration had better see a dramatic increase.

 

[HailVectron]

It would take some really imaginative story telling to sell me on the idea that pirates should be encountered that far out. Given that piracy is a means to making money, any pirates you find 500+ LY from the nearest station are absolutely terrible at their job.

I'm not against some occasional danger added to deep space exploration (beyond glitchiness like hyperspacing through a star), but there are some stipulations. The danger ought to make sense. If it's going to be a significant and immediate threat, as opposed to the cummulative threats we experience now, then we ought to have some way to protect our data. Barring that, if there has to be significant threat and no way to protect long term exploration data, then the reward for deep space exploration had better see a dramatic increase.

I agree - I reckon you should occasionally find rogue platforms way out from the main bubble. Somewhere where maybe 'illicit manufacturing' takes place (so could be a source for smugglers). They'd potentially be a good magnet for pirates and other unsavouries...

 

[Bannon_Orcus]

I know this isn't really deep into the black, but what are pirates doing 650 LY from Sol? It's not exactly on a trade route, is it?

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Maybe a little R&R that you undoubtly ruined!

 

[TD Bauer]

I came upon a weak signal source 1200ly out from SOL last night. Decided to check it out of course. Found a wing of three cobras, lawless...pirates. They scanned me and didn't bother me as I had an empty cargo hold.

But that brings me my Asp, the SOLAR FLARE. I know a lot of explorers go our in ships that are light and can make long jumps. No me. I would hate to be out exploring when they do an update the suddenly there are Thargoids flying around everywhere... I am armed, I have heavy shields, I have a point defense system, shield boosters, shield cell boosters... you get the idea. I can only jump 26.7ly...but that is okay with me. I feel better knowing I have options out in the deep, and a means of protecting myself.

 

[Lestat]

Well if it a place where players tend to go let take SAGITTARIUS A. Or in real life Mount Everest where the challenge is going to point a to point b and live. Now your not the only one trying to do this. I do expect this. So I think there should be a chance to see a pirate or fellow explorer.

 

[Sapient6]

Well if it a place where players tend to go let take SAGITTARIUS A. Or in real life Mount Everest where the challenge is going to point a to point b and live. Now your not the only one trying to do this. I do expect this. So I think there should be a chance to see a pirate or fellow explorer.

Pirating an explorer is less productive than squeezing blood from a stone.

 

[Sir Reginald Barthold III]

Pirating an explorer is less productive than squeezing blood from a stone.

"Right, Mr Explorer! What have you got? Empty gin bottles and pizza boxes, Red Dwarf Series 1, 2 & 3 box set, and what's this? Eeew, that's disgusting."

 

[Lestat]

Pirating an explorer is less productive than squeezing blood from a stone.

It might be. But right now exploration is Boring and having a pirate attack once in a great while keep us on our toes.

I do have a reason why a Pirate would attack me while exploration. I am a Miner/ explorer I tend to have Painite, Platinum and Plladium.

I could have up to 2 Million in Ores when I get back to a base.

 

[Sapient6]

It might be. But right now exploration is Boring and having a pirate attack once in a great while keep us on our toes.

I do have a reason why a Pirate would attack me while exploration. I am a Miner/ explorer I tend to have Painite, Platinum and Plladium.

I could have up to 2 Million in Ores when I get back to a base.

See, that's part of my issue with this concept. Sure, maybe a pirate could get something from you while you're exploring, but by and large a pirate out in the black between Sol and Sag A is going to spend his days completely alone. Every now and then he might see a blip near a star. On a good month he might get to interdict someone one time, but that person is almost certainly not going to be you.

So he's going to be lonely and poor, and a lousy pirate.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be anything out there, I'm saying what is out there should make sense. Pirates away from regularly traveled trade routes (or mining routes, whatever) don't make sense.

There are plenty of things they could put in that would make sense and keep us on our toes, but if they do add something that would keep us on our toes then they better address the other end of the Risk:Reward ratio at the same time to compensate.

 

[D'Kaeth]

It might be. But right now exploration is Boring and having a pirate attack once in a great while keep us on our toes.

I do have a reason why a Pirate would attack me while exploration. I am a Miner/ explorer I tend to have Painite, Platinum and Plladium.

I could have up to 2 Million in Ores when I get back to a base.

That is kind of cool that you are doing that (mining while exploring, I mean) but you are in a minority of a minority there. You'd be a fortune for a pirate, but their odds of finding you wouldn't make it worth their while.

 

[Lestat]

See, that's part of my issue with this concept. Sure, maybe a pirate could get something from you while you're exploring, but by and large a pirate out in the black between Sol and Sag A is going to spend his days completely alone. Every now and then he might see a blip near a star. On a good month he might get to interdict someone one time, but that person is almost certainly not going to be you.

So he's going to be lonely and poor, and a lousy pirate.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be anything out there, I'm saying what is out there should make sense. Pirates away from regularly traveled trade routes (or mining routes, whatever) don't make sense.

There are plenty of things they could put in that would make sense and keep us on our toes, but if they do add something that would keep us on our toes then they better address the other end of the Risk:Reward ratio at the same time to compensate.

I want you to think about it this way. He not a pirate but a fellow explorer who not twiddling there thumbs and not willing to share in exploration spoils so he attacks you. That how I see it.

That is kind of cool that you are doing that (mining while exploring, I mean) but you are in a minority of a minority there. You'd be a fortune for a pirate, but their odds of finding you wouldn't make it worth their while.

I looking at it this way. While exploring I do get tired of just flying and exploration. So I can stop and mine for a while just so I have more then one thing to do.

Having combat once in a great while not going to hurt anyone.

We also have to look at people who turn in the exploration info. Who get that info and what do they do with it. Do they explore it. We also have to factor in how many years did people started exploring when they started hitting Hyperspace and super cruse?

 

[who?]

What's the blob at the bottom in the original pic? Is that some power who's expanded out in the middle of nowhere?

 

[Cliff Dobbs]

What's the blob at the bottom in the original pic? Is that some power who's expanded out in the middle of nowhere?

That's Utopia. They've taken over one of the Sirius Corp systems near Sothis.

 

[Sapient6]

I want you to think about it this way. He not a pirate but a fellow explorer who not twiddling there thumbs and not willing to share in exploration spoils so he attacks you. That how I see it.

This was about explorers encountering pirates in deep space. I'm not going to come around to the view point that pirates in deep space are a good idea via the argument that they aren't pirates. I'm already in favor of not pirates.

Maybe we aren't even arguing at this point?

 

[Lestat]

This was about explorers encountering pirates in deep space. I'm not going to come around to the view point that pirates in deep space are a good idea via the argument that they aren't pirates. I'm already in favor of not pirates.

Maybe we aren't even arguing at this point?

Let say both of us are heading to Witch Nebula or horseshoe nebula. Now we meet in star system knowing we have basically the same info and who turn it in first get the most loot. How do you prevent that. It either head back asap or kill them and keep going.

I see a prate that steal something. In exploration there nothing to steal unless your setup like me. Miner/Explorer. But you can prevent someone from getting home so you can continue onward.

People we are not being attack all the time. It very rare. It also adds to stories to players like me who are Role players. Who like a little fear and unknown in exploration. Not the hold my hand exploration that we have now.

 

[Sapient6]

Let say both of us are heading to Witch Nebula or horseshoe nebula. Now we meet in star system knowing we have basically the same info and who turn it in first get the most loot. How do you prevent that. It either head back asap or kill them and keep going.

I see a prate that steal something. In exploration there nothing to steal unless your setup like me. Miner/Explorer. But you can prevent someone from getting home so you can continue onward.

People we are not being attack all the time. It very rare. It also adds to stories to players like me who are Role players. Who like a little fear and unknown in exploration. Not the hold my hand exploration that we have now.

I get what you're saying. That's fine with me as long as there is some compensation towards explorers (either a way to protect data or an increase to reward).

If you want to call them "pirates" rather than "rivals" that's also fine, but the "pirates" I'm objecting to finding 500LY+ from Sol are the ones that scan your hold and complain that you've got nothing there. In other words: Pirates, as they are currently implemented in ED, do not belong in deep space. Their presence there is nonsensical and ought to be fixed.

 

[Lestat]

I get what you're saying. That's fine with me as long as there is some compensation towards explorers (either a way to protect data or an increase to reward).

If you want to call them "pirates" rather than "rivals" that's also fine, but the "pirates" I'm objecting to finding 500LY+ from Sol are the ones that scan your hold and complain that you've got nothing there. In other words: Pirates, as they are currently implemented in ED, do not belong in deep space. Their presence there is nonsensical and ought to be fixed.

You know I scan ships before I attack them it don't matter if they lawless or wanted or clean. So I have a choice of taking the cargo or not. or if they attack me or not. So dose that make me a pirate? No.

See the ships out in deep space are are not interdiction you. You are exploring Signal Strength everything to weak to Strong. Do you really think exploration should be super easy with no risk other then wear and Tear. I think there should be something for Role players.

I can look at the ship deep in space and make a story. There a ship destroyed and one ship left. Who know if they did it or not. they could of been part of a wing and attack by thargoid now looking for family or friend escape pods and then you show up. Believe you are to finish him off. Or they could be a pirate. Or trying to keep a base that close by hidden so the rule is to kill you. Or a fellow explorer who trying to prevent you from getting data back to bubble. Or a stranded explorer killed a fuel rat and you happen to enter the ss. All stories a Role player can make with that one ship deep in space.

The only thing I suggest for you. If you don't want to be attack by a ship. Don't enter in SS. Just explore deep space stars and Planets and moons. If you do want to go in SS areas then think smart and bring at least basic weapons and shields.

 

[Sapient6]

You know I scan ships before I attack them it don't matter if they lawless or wanted or clean. So I have a choice of taking the cargo or not. or if they attack me or not. So dose that make me a pirate? No.

See the ships out in deep space are are not interdiction you. You are exploring Signal Strength everything to weak to Strong. Do you really think exploration should be super easy with no risk other then wear and Tear. I think there should be something for Role players.

I can look at the ship deep in space and make a story. There a ship destroyed and one ship left. Who know if they did it or not. they could of been part of a wing and attack by thargoid now looking for family or friend escape pods and then you show up. Believe you are to finish him off. Or they could be a pirate. Or trying to keep a base that close by hidden so the rule is to kill you. Or a fellow explorer who trying to prevent you from getting data back to bubble. Or a stranded explorer killed a fuel rat and you happen to enter the ss. All stories a Role player can make with that one ship deep in space.

The only thing I suggest for you. If you don't want to be attack by a ship. Don't enter in SS. Just explore deep space stars and Planets and moons. If you do want to go in SS areas then think smart and bring at least basic weapons and shields.

It's like you aren't even reading what you're responding to. Never mind, I guess.

 

[Sir Reginald Barthold III]

Not pirates. Something much more interesting.

Right, there is definitely something going on out here.

I came across this lot in NGC 2451A Sector HR-W d1-35, 570 LY from the nearest occupied system.

This system is a G-class star and has 3 C4T and a WW (not C4T).

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They paid me no attention what soever, so I followed for a while. Then two Annis split off and jumped followed a minutes or so later by the rest.

After what's been going on in Sothis and Takurua, I suspect Utopia.

R.

EDIT: It seems that there is a limit to how much you can write in the reason for editing box

 

[HailVectron]

Can youhave 6 in a wing then?