Creating The Explorer's Nation(s)

Sounds like a great idea. I'll join up with what's already started. I just got back from a short exploration jot and decided to try out some other stuff besides exploring. It's the first time I've even looked at Powerplay since it came out, so I'm still figuring it out. I just joined Li-Yong Rui, but haven't done much yet. Should I leave and start building rep with SEPP?
 
Thank you all for your replies! I consider this a very important discussion to have. Quiet honestly, the second most interesting thing to play with in the game IMHO is the background simulation. Having been able to be a explorer but at the same time part of a group/community that is working together, I think it doesn't get any better than that!

Here some replies:

Count me in Kancro. As you know curently inbound to Neutron fields and Sagittarius A* so I am definitely going to support long term exploration based faction(s).

I like the idea of a community of explorers and would join. I am not involved with any of the PP powers and can’t see me wanting to join in that side of it. What does seem to be more in keeping with the Lore is to be aligned somehow with the Pilots Federation.

Lol, as explorers we will probably spend the next millenium arguing where to go and what to do. Therefore it makes perfect sense (to me anyway, which is not necessarily a good benchmark) that we go with what we have already started on. So count me in Kancro, I will visit Eleu when I get back from the void and have picked up my shiny new smelling Condie.
Thank you guys!!! You are all welcome to come to ELEU and visit! Hope you like it around here. However, let me be clear, the SEPP originally controlled ELEU -hence the name- but another faction overthrew them. I am now pushing for a regain of the control of our rightful seat. As of now, is the most popular minor faction in ELEU, while controling SANTJALAN and we just this week expanded to ALOWIS were the numbers are growing.

So joining to the SEPP cause is actually joining to a nation that comprises three systems already -agricultural, high tech and extraction- and working on having them all controlled. Our goal is to control all three and then expand. We want to remain independent, power play free as long as we can possibly enforce it and allow it, but if we need to, in the future, become a power JUST to avoid being taken by one, we want to be strong and big enough as to qualify for such. So, we don't want to become a power or being involved in that, but if we need to form a power to avoid being bothered, we want to have the option.

Plus, who knows? If becoming a power will also allow us to manipulate pricing on Asps, or paying more for exploring data, why not? But this is way, way ahead of ourselves. For now, lets settle, stabilize, and thrive.


I love the idea for an explorer based faction, sign me up :) I had a similar thought, but would ideally want a system that's a bit out of the bubble - and then I read FD's writeup that it basically needs to be in an inhabited system in the bubble. Shoot. Perhaps they'd consider making an exception for the explorer community if enough people get interested?

Anyway, it's not coreward, but Rigel would make a nice system for a base :)
So what is the most coreward inhabited independent system? Some backwater infested with pirates? A religious enclave? Prison Colony? I'm not that far from the bubble right now. I could do a little recon. My fit needs tweaking anyway.
ELEU is not in the outermost regions of the bubble, but is pretty close to it and is coreward, only ever so slightly above the galactic plane. If you check your GalMap, you will see it. Also, filter the Powerplay Map, you will see we are not anywhere interesting for the powers -at least for now.


What are the advantages of an explorer nation? How could a minor faction in control of a single system support explorers?
As mentioned above, might not be immediately but in the future, that we can get the type of benefits I was talking in the OP: reduced prices on equipment, or more for our data.

Also, a safe place to return to. That's imprescindible so our explorers come back with no issues -and no shields, as usual.

Besides that, it would be cool if we all hang around the same system -area. Meet people, share histories, check out our ships, etc.

Finally, be an organized community/group will give you enough leverage to be a force to be reckon with in the Galaxy and -more importantly- in the development of it. Your opinions to the FD will have more impact when talking from a community than by yourself.


I'm at work and away from a galaxy map. Where is ELEU? And how many people are in your group, approximately?

Count me in for ELEU. Since a system is already found i think sticking with it is the best solution instead of infinite arguing. The only problem i see is keeping it with the powerplay mechanics: vast majority of us is out there 90% of the time.
On the practical side what we should do? How to partecipate? Does it require to join a private group (wouldn't mind personally)?
Oh dear AKIRA, trust me when I tell you I know that pain first hand! I left ELEU and SANTJALAN for expedition, totally under control and stable, came back to mayhem! I have learnt a lot in the last 7 months that I have been playing with the SEPP and have learnt the hard way! We are currently only two people, with some contributors that have come and go during crisis or pivotal times. So, I haven't done it all by myself, but many CMDR's that have helped but were involved in similar projects.

I am conscious that most of us are out 90% of the time. However, I started this project even before we had wings in game. Chatting was not possible. And I am aware that this nation won;t be built exclusively by Explorer's: we need traders, we need miners, we need security and some army for defense. We need that support to keep the stability to provide for a safe haven for explorers. At least until the numbers grow in such a way, that we permanently have a population of explorers at home, big enough as to keep the nation running and avoiding collapse.

The idea is that once you return home, if you want to do mining, trading or pew pew to change pace and take a break, you can do so all within our nation, which will in return help to keep the stability.


And even when all of this sounds great and nice, I just want to make sure, before moving forward that we do not step on any colleague explorer or CMDR efforts in creating a similar idea. I want us and everybody to act upon and within the consideration of this wonderful community that I am proud to be part of! Without you, and this forum, the game would have never make so much sense! Thanks!
 
Just doing a last bit of sight seeing around Veil West and then heading for a dock to sell some data.

SANTAJALAN-ELEU are less than 1500ly away and seem as good a place to head for as any without requiring an extensive transit of the bubble from here, might as well go and flog it there :)
 
Just checked and ELEU is still under corporate control, and back down to 67%. What happened Kancro? They were approaching 90... :( Needs more help I suppose. Maybe we can organize a big push, or is it still under cooldown status?
 
Never heard of First Great Expedition ?
Already a well organised exploration group, they even have their own forums (non mandatory). I am only an observer rather than participant ATM, but there is no need for lots of small groups.
 
Understood, when I'll be back in the bubble ELEU will be my new home. I have a Viper for pew pew but was planning to get a Volture. Could increase some Combat. So i do Res for factions against yours, and sell bounty at your station faction, right? Never done mission but can start, maybe we will wing!

Only problem is that I'm currently 16kly out zig-zaging in the core area and my route is still red (outbound), so really dunno when I'll be back. But ELEU is my new home, and given my zero understanding of politics I'm at your command.

I have those pics to give you from months, the Green Square is you.
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Understood, when I'll be back in the bubble ELEU will be my new home. I have a Viper for pew pew but was planning to get a Volture. Could increase some Combat. So i do Res for factions against yours, and sell bounty at your station faction, right? Never done mission but can start, maybe we will wing!

Only problem is that I'm currently 16kly out zig-zaging in the core area and my route is still red (outbound), so really dunno when I'll be back. But ELEU is my new home, and given my zero understanding of politics I'm at your command.

I have those pics to give you from months


There are no RES, but there are plenty of bounty hunting missions that will help you earn reputation with SEPP and spread their influence to nearby systems. The money is about twice that of Exploration :) but it's not about the money so much as it is about setting up a home and safe haven for explorers, with better exploring rewards, exploration modules, and a way of tying in the exploration mechanic to scientific advancement and helping the human race as a whole. There are many mission types available that will advance SEPP and help establish the homeworld that all explorers crave.


Just FYI to all here, the stations in Eleu and Santjalan are some of the beautiful in the entire game. The planets are very nice to look at too :)
 
Just doing a last bit of sight seeing around Veil West and then heading for a dock to sell some data.

SANTAJALAN-ELEU are less than 1500ly away and seem as good a place to head for as any without requiring an extensive transit of the bubble from here, might as well go and flog it there :)
Excellent plan CMDR.

FOR ANYONE HERE INTERESTED IN JOINING THE SEPP: if you can land on a small or medium pad, please proceed to MARTINEZ CITY in SANTJALAN. That's the Scientific Outpost that holds the Exploration Headquarters for SEPP.

If you can only land in large pads, please proceed to CANTOR TERMINAL in SANTJALAN. That's the temporary Capital of the SEPP until we regain control of Finney Dock in ELEU.

By selling your data to SEPP you will gain reputation with the faction and probably become allied with them. Reputation with faction is different from Influence of the party. Your reputation with the party will see immediate effects. Any missions or trade done with the SEPP will increase its influence in the system but that won't be reflected until after 24hr. -they update once a day.

Just checked and ELEU is still under corporate control, and back down to 67%. What happened Kancro? They were approaching 90... :( Needs more help I suppose. Maybe we can organize a big push, or is it still under cooldown status?
As Anuranium explained to me, we triggered an expansion into ALOWIS. As a consequence, we dropped significant points in the influence. As of now we are in the cooldown period. Next objective is to bring SEPP above 70% in ELEU while keeping SANTJALAN around 50-60%.


Never heard of First Great Expedition ?
Already a well organised exploration group, they even have their own forums (non mandatory). I am only an observer rather than participant ATM, but there is no need for lots of small groups.
I'm also an observer member of the FGE. And as far as I can tell, they are also lined up to own a minor faction in the game. Which is all good but is quite not the same project. They are an organization based and oriented to exploration. We are trying to build a system for explorers. We'll be natural allies in any case. And BTW, it might be me being too focused on SEPP but I don't see LOTS of small explorers groups blooming.


Understood, when I'll be back in the bubble ELEU will be my new home. I have a Viper for pew pew but was planning to get a Volture. Could increase some Combat. So i do Res for factions against yours, and sell bounty at your station faction, right? Never done mission but can start, maybe we will wing!

Only problem is that I'm currently 16kly out zig-zaging in the core area and my route is still red (outbound), so really dunno when I'll be back. But ELEU is my new home, and given my zero understanding of politics I'm at your command.

I have those pics to give you from months, the Green Square is you.
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Thanks for the pics!!! Very nice gift indeed!! As mentioned before, proceed to either MARTINEZ -small and medium ships- or CANTOR -large ships- in SANTJALAN to sell the data.

CANTOR has shipyard, and outfitting. Is a High Tech station so should be good enough for most of your explorer's need.

In the current stage, as immediate goals, we need people willing to run missions to increase influence in ELEU and somewhat in ALOWIS. SANTJALAN should be better left at 50-60%, not more. We are aiming to trigger a Civil War with the faction that overthrew SEPP in ELEU, and for that, we need 70% or more of influence there.

Right after, when the war ignites, we will need fighters. But in these two stages, until after we stabilize the three systems under SEPP control, and because we are just a few, we need committed CMDR's to the cause.

Those of you in the deep black - nothing to do now. We will be working to have it all settled by the time you come back to your new home. I expect that to take some 2 to 3 weeks.

Those of you pledged to a Power - as long as you can run some missions and help, you don't have to quit your power yet. Instead, because we want to avoid any power intervention, you can give us feedback and visibility into the doings of that power and if any plans are triggered to expand to our Nation.

As per the name change - I know some people might not like Social Eleu Progressive Party -or SEPP- as a faction name. However, I am researching and waiting on FD response on whether changing name will send us back to square one of not owning any system. If so, we'll be better off just keeping SEPP so we don't lose any ground.

Safe travels CMDR!! let's do this!! :p:cool:
 
Just popped down too SANTJALAN , as a good neighbour ( 100ly away ) i'm going to help out with what I can , but I doubt if I will join as I can't stand power play.
( One of the reasons my homeworld is out in the back waters).:p
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You asked for miners....you got one ( didn't see anywhere to min tho lol..........we.......that's under 90k out :eek: )
 
Just popped down too SANTJALAN , as a good neighbour ( 100ly away ) i'm going to help out with what I can , but I doubt if I will join as I can't stand power play.
( One of the reasons my homeworld is out in the back waters).:p
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You asked for miners....you got one ( didn't see anywhere to min tho lol..........we.......that's under 90k out :eek: )

Hi CMDR. Thanks for the support! Appreciate it! Just want to clarify once again, WE ARE NOT DOING POWER PLAY. As it is right now we are only dealing with the BGS. PP is one possible options that could or couldn't happen many months down on the road and only if a series of unfortunate comditions converge.

As per mining, please proceed to ALOWIS. It has pristine rings and you can sell/repair in the Song outpost. Be warned though, platinum is not found there.

For mining missions requesting Platinum from Cantor Terminal in Santjalan, you can go to the 20 OPHIUCHI system nearby. That's not part of the Sepp but close commercial partner.
 
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Kancro @ Cantor Terminal
Looks like we got lots to do I'm in, my Cobra and Conda is huntin, kilin and tradin as usual for SEPP, not afraid to lose a ship for our cause and protecting explorers! Been crazy around Sant J in the last few months ... 5 wars, plague, stations shutdown, pirates and blockade. Now its quiet after the storm and we can work on securing our home and control of the systems. Than I can finally head into the void and raise my explorer rank.
 
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Man, I haven't flown in ED in almost three weeks now. Kancro, I should be back from my trip in a couple of days, I'll see where you guys are at that point and try to lend a hand :)
 
Im not into PP at all. I refuse to participate in it, end of!!

Im an Explorer & i go where i want when i want. I don't care about the 'mechanics of the factions' & the aim of pushing players into different groups - so they can pewpewpew each other.

I won't be drawn into any of this PP crap, whether it be from FD or any individual trying to form one of these groups.

Thats my opinion, take it or leave it!
 
Im not into PP at all. I refuse to participate in it, end of!!

Im an Explorer & i go where i want when i want. I don't care about the 'mechanics of the factions' & the aim of pushing players into different groups - so they can pewpewpew each other.

I won't be drawn into any of this PP crap, whether it be from FD or any individual trying to form one of these groups.

Thats my opinion, take it or leave it!


Thank you for taking the time to read the thread title. Now if you have also read the thread contents, the whole idea is make PP explorer friendly, not the other way around. We are looking to create a largely peaceful science based faction that it interested in and primarily deals in information. Much like Universal Cartographics, but with the option of using your scanners to spy on humans and then sell that information for Merits. But ideally, explorers should be able to to do what they like doing, going out into the wilds for for days, weeks, or months on end, and then returning for a huge reward. Except now that huge reward might also include explorer modules and explorer CR bonuses that don't require you do grind for 20 hours or spend 100M CR and then grind for 10 hours. And perhaps contributing to a base of human knowledge that allows for real expansion into the stars. If that sounds like garbage to you, then good luck to you, and have fun being your own principled independent self.

Granted some of these ideas listed here would require expanding the activities that are possible with PP to include exploring/espionage, but that is something that probably has to happen anyway to keep PP from getting stale.
 
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If anything, the creation of this faction (group? power?) should put explorers on FD's radar when it comes to expanding mechanics. Who knows, perhaps one day we'll have a permit based hq with explorer gear on discount, a place where all explorers and fuel rats alike are welcome. Would also be nice to be able to establish outposts at the far reaches of the galaxy, to assist in exploration efforts.

Gooddoc, I understand your apprehention about PP - I share it to an extent. As luck would have it, nobody is forced to partake in PP, and by extension explorers won't be forced to participate in this. However, I do applaud the efforts that may result in expanded, explorer inclusive, more interesting game mechanics.
 
Maybe once we've settled on a system we could request a CG where we all sell out UC data in one place to fundraise for establishing our base.

Would also be cool if we could have a system for arranging an escort for returning explorers, so when someone is approaching the bubble they let the folk in the system know and a few other commanders head out to the edge of the bubble in beefy combat ships, wing up, and escort the explorer to the station to sell data.
 
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@ Ziljan. Please dont assume that im one of those posters who just read a thread title & then post my comments without reading what the OP has written, that's insulting!

My views on the whole PP game style will not change.

No matter how you, FD or anyone else wants to 'dress it up', PP has been introduced to give the pewpew kiddies something to do, someone else to blown up, put players in groups to fight each other.
There is no such thing as creating a peaceful Faction. At some point down the line all factions will become involved in FDs pewpew roleplay.

This was not the game i purchased in December. Fortunately, at the moment i can still completely ignore all this PP crap & wander off on my own, doing what i like best EXPLORING.

I just hope it stays that way!

The OP wanted opinions on his idea...please dont insult me because i disagree with what is written.
 
Hmm, gooddoc does have a bit of a point - creating an explorer PP minor faction could lead to things like another player minor faction looking over at this explorer faction and then via the PP mechanics try to rout the explorer faction from whatever system is their home, just for the lulz.

I can honestly see that happening.

I don't think I'll ever be partaking in any powerplay gameplay. And "progressive" doesn't particularly appeal to my politics - it's a pity about that, as I reckon an explorer faction should remain neutral/stay away from any particular leaning.

Rgds.
 
Hmm, gooddoc does have a bit of a point - creating an explorer PP minor faction could lead to things like another player minor faction looking over at this explorer faction and then via the PP mechanics try to rout the explorer faction from whatever system is their home, just for the lulz.

I can honestly see that happening.

I don't think I'll ever be partaking in any powerplay gameplay. And "progressive" doesn't particularly appeal to my politics - it's a pity about that, as I reckon an explorer faction should remain neutral/stay away from any particular leaning.

Rgds.

I agree with you. PP is not for me either but an Explorers' base would be a good place to have as a meeting point. To talk to like minded ships. ;)
I don't mind a bit of PewPew and would join in as an independent, if required and it was convenient.
For me, exploring can be lonely. So stopping off and chewing the fat would be good. I am there atm and have just bought half a dozen pairs of woolly knickers. :D
 
Count me in! I am also not a fan of PP but I do like the idea of an explorer community home and from what I have read it doesn't sound like starting a PP faction is actually the goal (although may become necessary down the line to protect what's ours). I'm on my way back to the bubble now from my Sag A pilgrimage, currently around 8000lys out. This has been a long trip so I will be heading over to sell my data to SEPP and run a few mission etc. to lend a hand and recharge before heading out again.
 
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