Why do you want to straight-jacket my choice of gameplay?
What if I fancy being an... er, "animal" one day and "harmonious" the next?
It does happen, quite often, for me.
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Why do you want to straight-jacket my choice of gameplay?
What if I fancy being an... er, "animal" one day and "harmonious" the next?
It does happen, quite often, for me.
Nothing would stop you - you'd just be doing it with consenting people. Why does it have to be with people that don't want your "animal"?
Judging by where they stopped the quote - I think it was more in reference of mode switching, as the suggestion was to lock people into their choice of mode.
I love the passive aggressive constant mis-spelling of Mobius post after post. Despite seeing it written properly by a few of us and being told about it a few pages back.
Good work Aradicus at showing what you are up to
One of the "M" in MMO stands for "Multiplayer" - something PvE players cannot do in ED right now as PvP is forced in all Multiplayer modes - so we cannot do as we were told by FD with the line "Play Your Way"
Adding an extra mode would not hurt you, unless you are one of the griefers of course - that is the only reason to object to it being added after all.
Also, people going in to private groups to prevent people from enjoying the game, is bad for the game as a whole - as people do leave, so unless the intent is to kill the game as a whole, there was no reason other than ruin the game for everyone.
You seem to support this as you try to ignore it or belittle it, Star Citizen fan by any chance? You know they have private modes as well (private servers actually) and a PvE <> PvP slider - so that won't be a gank fest either.
"I love the passive aggressive constant mis-spelling of Mobius post after post." Not passive aggressive at all
Just a misspelling "One of the "M" in MMO stands for "Multiplayer" - something PvE players cannot do in ED right now as PvP is forced in all Multiplayer modes - so we cannot do as we were told by FD with the line "Play Your Way" - Well if they force PvP in all modes, we can assume the tag "Play your own way" is to be taken within the context of a game that forces PvP in all modes. I don;t see it as a false advertisement of the game in any way.
"dding an extra mode would not hurt you, unless you are one of the griefers of course" - Of course it would not "hurt" me, as it is just a game. I like the Open World as it is though, so I would prefer it to be the Wild West that it is.
"Also, people going in to private groups to prevent people from enjoying the game, is bad for the game as a whole - as people do leave, so unless the intent is to kill the game as a whole, there was no reason other than ruin the game for everyone.
You seem to support this as you try to ignore it or belittle it, Star Citizen fan by any chance?"
What if I was a Star Citizen fan? Is that not allowed? I never mentioned that game lol
Also, At no point did I support "killing the game" in any way, or what The Code did to your private group. You keep bringing up this Moebius incident, it had nothing to do with me at all. I just play in Open, and that is that. I am not part of the Code. Perhaps you should address your complaints to them.- - - Updated - - -
No problem. Good luck with your game!
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I gave my reasons, I was entitled to vote no. I was not the only one either.
You're probably right.
Though my question would remain the same - unless of course Marra agrees that it should be with consenting people in which case I will correct and make a snivelling apology!
Or maybe just a normal apology.
Maybe misunderstood me there?
SnowyNI wants to lock the play-mode, but I like to change my play-mode depending on my mood. After a busy day at work or suffering a hangover, I don't fancy looking over my shoulder all the time and prefer Solo, or sometimes the Mobius group. I like having that choice, that is all
Maybe misunderstood me there?
SnowyNI wants to lock the play-mode, but I like to change my play-mode depending on my mood. After a busy day at work or suffering a hangover, I don't fancy looking over my shoulder all the time and prefer Solo, or sometimes the Mobius group. I like having that choice, that is all
I'm confused now - and speaking of hangovers I have one after last night Hutton shennanigans - about to embark on a nice cold tin of hair of the dog.
So I'll apologise anyway - just in case.
Sorry - and err, Cheers!
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I am tending to agree with SnowyNI. Open mode as it is, anything goes, Open PvE with player on player damage coded out (don't bother trying to police it, we'll be in the same mess we are in now) and Solo. I don't see any reason to lock anyone into a mode, there would be no need.
I don't think trying to make in game consequences will ever work well in ED. As I said in a previous post, at least half the 'content' in the game is of the illicit nature, it seems as though FD think that makes it dangerous. It's really pretty limiting as it is if you want to stay clean. I do, and it limits the number and type of missions I can take dramatically, although I will take black box recovery missions and the like, as that is just a fine, but even so, recently, authority ships turn up in the WSS and start shooting at you, so you either have to run and potentially fail the mission, or kill authority which would be a bounty.
Getting wanted in this game is very easy to do, and it's also easy to avoid if you want to just mess with someones game, so we now all have to travel at 100mph inside the no fire zone, but if you ram a player at less than that speed, then you are good to go. The suggestions that players should be encouraged to police the game themselves will never work due to instancing and the possibility of mode switching, and the same goes for trying to organize convoys to protect traders, instancing seems to make that a distinctly sketchy option.
If there was an official PvE mode, most other grouping could be done informally through the friends list or wings or whatever. It would probably make the game a lot more fun for the majority of players, and would simplify the start process, still just three options, PvP on, PvP off and play alone.
I don't think trying to make in game consequences will ever work well in ED. As I said in a previous post, at least half the 'content' in the game is of the illicit nature, it seems as though FD think that makes it dangerous. It's really pretty limiting as it is if you want to stay clean. I do, and it limits the number and type of missions I can take dramatically, although I will take black box recovery missions and the like, as that is just a fine, but even so, recently, authority ships turn up in the WSS and start shooting at you, so you either have to run and potentially fail the mission, or kill authority which would be a bounty.
Getting wanted in this game is very easy to do, and it's also easy to avoid if you want to just mess with someones game, so we now all have to travel at 100mph inside the no fire zone, but if you ram a player at less than that speed, then you are good to go. The suggestions that players should be encouraged to police the game themselves will never work due to instancing and the possibility of mode switching, and the same goes for trying to organize convoys to protect traders, instancing seems to make that a distinctly sketchy option.
If there was an official PvE mode, most other grouping could be done informally through the friends list or wings or whatever. It would probably make the game a lot more fun for the majority of players, and would simplify the start process, still just three options, PvP on, PvP off and play alone.
I did only say to lock it, if needed, to keep the grievers out. ie. so they can't pull another Mobius stunt where they lied their way in and killed a lot of players. But then again, it seems that would only upset them more as some seem to use the very group/solo that they despise.
Right, but if they 'code' player on player damage out of the mode (no idea if that's possible), then there would be no need.
The problem I think is that in any system where player versus player interaction can be aggressive and / or damaging, people will find a way to do it and to avoid the consequences, it's just human nature.
"I love the passive aggressive constant mis-spelling of Mobius post after post." Not passive aggressive at all
That you keep doing on purpose, proven by being told about it and still doing it, in the same post.
You've done it now for several pages after being told about it and then do it in the post I bring it up - that is passive aggressive behavior Aradicus, plain and simple
They create PvE content and then no PvE mode to play it in - yet tell PvE players we can play their multiplayer game how we want.
They either need to add a PvE mode or lock PvP to the new CQC mode to make that advertisement of "Play Your Way" true.
And as you can still pirate / bounty hunt etc versus NPCs, nothing says the game was ever meant to be a pew pew fest - in fact the only PvP support added since the start is CQC.
So the main game should be PvE to support the PvE content they added and support the PvE players they enticed to shell out money in Kickstarter
You'd still have that - so your either a griefer trying to block PvE players from playing the game or just being spiteful of others enjoying the game.
There is no reason to object to an extra mode being added.
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yes i would play in open, i would like to see and interact with people.
mobius is a great idea, i'm a member and glad it's there.
however as many people have pointed out it is a small part of the overall player base.
so player encounters are rare.
i am glad that solo is there also because there are many reasons to want to play solo.
i like LOTRO because it is PVE.
i get to be with and around many other players.
i'm big on crafting there and usually have a full roster of a variety of items for sale in the auction house.
i have twelve character slots and ten of them have characters in them.
i have the same account i logged in with years ago when it was still pay to play.
in this game i would want open to be PVE.
if you want PVP you could form a group, like mobius has.
at the time of group creation there would be two choice boxes.
to proceed with group creation you would need to check one of those boxes.
[ ] PVE
[ ] PVP
there would still be combat zones and such for PVP in open, and of course the letter of marque for use in open for pirates/privateers.
but as long as the PVP crowd is appeased, they will dominate as seen with the fact that open has been surrendered to the people that kill for the lulz.
yes we see many trying to take the argument that we MUST allow them to play the way they want to because it was promised from the beginning.
however what of those that are ejected from open by these loud and violent . . . people.
do the quite people mean nothing?
or is it that the quite ones will put up with being forced into making groups or isolating themselves in solo for the comfort of the people that require surprise killings for their fun.
the surprise killers have their way and own open, yet they complain that people need to be punished for not being available to shoot at.
so we have mobius.
i am going to guess that the population of mobius is several times the population of the total lulz killers/griefers in the game.
and mobius is only a small percentage of the game population.
and yet we who are not interested in killing for fun are the ones required to go make our own place to play.
and even then we are invaded by the players that own open.
as it is now anyone not interested in either end of the gank stick are relegated to second class citizenship.
we are the [insert disrespectful slur of choice here] of the game.
ridiculing us is a popular sport in this thread.
another PVP favorite activity that rarely has consequences.
and so the minority gets to play the game their way, and the rest of us are sort of, kind of, maybe if we work had at it allowed to sometimes, occasionally, when not invaded and murdered by the pampered class to sort of, kind of, enough to avoid legal hassle for false advertising play the game our way.
sometimes.
mark twain said that the problem is not that there are too many fools in the world, it's that lightning is not properly distributed.
Crazy thought.
But how about - Open Mode is just removed altogether.
Just;
CQC
Groups
Solo
That way, there is nothing for anyone to argue over.
Everyone can play in private groups, PvEers and PvPers can run / police their own groups - no default mode, no "better" mode to fight over.
Just remove Open.
Then everyone is equal.
"That you keep doing on purpose, proven by being told about it and still doing it, in the same post."
Sorry about that, I am not very good with spelling and rely on the checker to sort out my mistakes. Thankyou for pointing this out, but your repeated attempts to go on about this are quite irrelevant to the debate.
"They create PvE content and then no PvE mode to play it in - yet tell PvE players we can play their multiplayer game how we want.
They either need to add a PvE mode or lock PvP to the new CQC mode to make that advertisement of "Play Your Way" true."
Well anyone could buy the game, claim there is something they cannot do, and claim they cannot "Play it your way". They provided some really good modes to appeal to as many as possible.
"And as you can still pirate / bounty hunt etc versus NPCs, nothing says the game was ever meant to be a pew pew fest - in fact the only PvP support added since the start is CQC."
Other than the PvP that has been part of the game since Beta and before, sure! We can pretend CQC is the only PvP content, but that is not true. They have Open mode which contains the possibility of PVP. I like it that way
"You'd still have that - so your either a griefer trying to block PvE players from playing the game or just being spiteful of others enjoying the game."
Once again, more name calling. If you have any evidence I am a griefer, please present it. If you feel I am griefing you by saying I like the Open mode the way is, I am afraid I cannot agree with your assessment of the situation. It would be nice if we could discuss the game instead of name calling.
"There is no reason to object to an extra mode being added."
I think the game balnce and the modes are fine as they are. That is my reason, that is why I voted No in that poll.
"Your behavior is symptomatic of an SC fan trolling over here to be honest "
Well if you think I am a troll, and griefer, can you please present some evidence of that? You can assume I play SC if you want, I never brought this up lol.
" we've had an influx of SC fans moaning here "
I am an ED beta backer
"SC was supposed to be the savior of PvPers - with only a handful of places to go, it would be the glorious PvP space sim folks were looking for."
I bought Elite, as I have played the game for 25 years now. I got what was advertised and am happy with it. I was merely expressing this sentiment. I have no interest in Star Citizen. You seem really aggrieved by FD, and I think you are misdirecting your anger at the lack of game mode at me. Why? I have done nothing to hurt or offend you..
OUCH!!! to much truthiness in that statement for someone who has invested as much cash in that game as i have.
i prefer that it's just a matter of feature creep.
yea that's it, just making the game too darned good for it's own good.
Personally, the only real change I'd like to see in "Open" mode is more in-game consequences for a player's actions. Large, high traveled systems like Lave for example, shouldn't have some dink pulling every Class-7/Class-9 out of FS just to blow them up for kicks. That's like the equivalent of New York City not doing anything about a gunman walking through Central Park shooting random people and leaving it up to the civilians to take him down.
No, it should be a balance of action vs. response. The higher the bounty, the more likely System Authority will spot his presence and show up... in force... and even give chase via Wake Scanners and FS Interdictors if the criminal is "wanted" enough - even through other systems if need be! Killing System Authority would just escalate the response even faster. After all, look at it logically... and read the official fiction out there... for that player that has a 400k or better bounty on his head, System Authority should be RUTHLESS. They're NOT about to tell their command that "Lave's most wanted" got away because he keeps killing the ONE Viper every five minutes sent after him!
Transit systems, anarchy systems, SURE! PVP and kill to your heart's content. That's what they are there for. Maybe have an Alliance/Imperial/Federation patrol come through every now and then if it's in faction space to make things interesting. Maybe have them enter the system and NOT attack, and call for backup because they found a "Most wanted dangerous criminal". Make crime count dammit. Just tossing a bigger bounty on a person's head is like a personal score to them for griefing other players and is meaningless if they can slip away or combat log.
Yet another thing, bigger the bounty, the longer it takes to "remove you from the game" if you combat log. Also, if killed by System Authority, remove the amount of their bounty from their account. The cost of replacing a Viper or Vulture is cheap if you have a few million stashed away, but add in that 800k bounty killed by law enforcement penalty to the pot, it becomes a bit more of a sting... granted, not as much of a sting as all those players having to re-buy their Class 9's that got him there.
No, it should be a balance of action vs. response. The higher the bounty, the more likely System Authority will spot his presence and show up... in force... and even give chase via Wake Scanners and FS Interdictors if the criminal is "wanted" enough - even through other systems if need be! Killing System Authority would just escalate the response even faster. After all, look at it logically... and read the official fiction out there... for that player that has a 400k or better bounty on his head, System Authority should be RUTHLESS. They're NOT about to tell their command that "Lave's most wanted" got away because he keeps killing the ONE Viper every five minutes sent after him!
Transit systems, anarchy systems, SURE! PVP and kill to your heart's content. That's what they are there for. Maybe have an Alliance/Imperial/Federation patrol come through every now and then if it's in faction space to make things interesting. Maybe have them enter the system and NOT attack, and call for backup because they found a "Most wanted dangerous criminal". Make crime count dammit. Just tossing a bigger bounty on a person's head is like a personal score to them for griefing other players and is meaningless if they can slip away or combat log.
Yet another thing, bigger the bounty, the longer it takes to "remove you from the game" if you combat log. Also, if killed by System Authority, remove the amount of their bounty from their account. The cost of replacing a Viper or Vulture is cheap if you have a few million stashed away, but add in that 800k bounty killed by law enforcement penalty to the pot, it becomes a bit more of a sting... granted, not as much of a sting as all those players having to re-buy their Class 9's that got him there.
"Then everyone is equal."- They already are. All game modes are equally valid. Ironic as well, since last night you told me that the suggestion solo be removed was deeply insulting to you. I cannot think of a single reason to get rid of Open other than out of spite. I think we need to have a more positive attitude to each others playstyles, do you not agree
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You wouldn't be straight-jacketed. You'd be free to jump between open pvp, open pve, solo, and private group, whenever you decided. You could let all of your personalities out.
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