I loved privateer 2!
Is this a rip off? Or is this Frontier first encounters all over again?
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I loved privateer 2!
I agree that due of probably very valid reasons CIG forums are heavily moderated if we are talking about harsh and openly hostile attitude towards CIG themselves, also boosting other games like ED seems to make threads moved very quickly to Off-topic (without leaving reference as this forum does). Said that, level of maturity is also much higher here that even in this thread, no matter how I disagree with opponents, sometimes I see good possibilities of discussion here.
Said that, I kinda agree that this thread have very much said everything what can be said. I won't ask to close it, but moderators evaluate this.
As a community member I have few ideas how to make waiting for beta people happier to get on more productive note with fellow beta/gamma backers.
Said that, I kinda agree that this thread have very much said everything what can be said. I won't ask to close it, but moderators evaluate this.
As a community member I have few ideas how to make waiting for beta people happier to get on more productive note with fellow beta/gamma backers.
I don't think any of us have the right to say that everything that can be said has already been said. The next person who posts might have some very intelligent insight that adds a new dimension to the discussion. My own opinion changed fairly substantially around about page 15 due to a particularly insightful post. If the topic had been locked earlier that would never have happened and I'd still be slightly bitter about the delay as opposed to slightly disappointed but philosophical about it.
This topic is badly named and the OP is a bit more inflammatory than is really necessary, but this is the topic we have for discussing the delay to the beta. If it gets closed then another one will probably get made. This topic still has relevance until the beta is released and shouldn't be closed.
Wibble.
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Me too. I loved all of the CR' games, and even liked most of the acting in it, with some fairly big names (at the time) cast in it..... Not such a fan of his movie
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We do seem to be going round in circles on this threads now though. Not that I think there's any reason to call for locking it.
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One does one's best
We do seem to be going round in circles on this threads now though. Not that I think there's any reason to call for locking it.
No, there's been very little personal abuse and I haven't yet seen any threats of bloodletting or maiming. Although I did receive a letter bomb yesterday but that's pretty normal to be honest.
If everything has been said, then people will self-moderate and not contribute and the thread will die like a maltreated pet.
I still don't see what this has to do with Kickstarter. I'm baffled that you think that you have any ownership over the project when it clearly states on the Kickstarter T&C that you don't. You are a punter, nothing more. You get exactly what it says you get when you backed the KS (some consumer level reward). You are entitled to zero updates and zero information about what happens on the creation side.
I'm not trying to be funny, but have you missed all the times that people have posted the advice from Kickstarter that campaigns should give regular updates, and, if estimated dates are being missed that they should explain the problems they are having "speedbumps and all"?
We may not technically be "entitled" to these updates, that is a strong word that suggests a negative feeling of entitlement. But, as backers of a kickstarter project I don't think it is wrong to expect that the project owner goes along with the spirit of the platform.
hurrray - and i think it can also be expected that the backers behave and adjust their expectations to the spirit of the platform...
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btw i want to go on the record and say: "this is a rip-off" !!
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my point was simply that we aren't *entitled* to anything regardless. We have two choices, back the kickstarter because we believe in the project and want to help fund it (in which case we get some small consumer level reward), or wait until the project is finished and buy it at consumer price minus the risk. That's really all there is to it. You can talk about the definition of "steak-holder" and how it works in other situations all day long (which indeed has been happening) but its a really simple deal. If you don't like it don't use KS.
In that case I think your point is addressed to a straw man position that isn't occupied by anybody posting in this topic.
#occupythistopic
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At least one of the posters in this topic has stated that they used PayPal to pledge after the Kickstarter had finished. That would technically invalidate their personal entitlement for any Kickstarter related guarantees. I would expect that the Kickstarter guarantees apply to "only" 25,681 out of (currently) 43,866 backers.
Is it really necessary to have a legal argument over the wording of the Kickstarter agreement, when the essential position of most people can be summarised simply as "FD could do with improving their comms. a little". You either agree with this statement or you don't. It's a matter of opinion.
People, please, let's just agree to disagree. We are going in circles, and just heating up ourselves for another flaming session
I'm inclined to agree. It's got to the stage where we're just re-stating the same opinions.People, please, let's just agree to disagree. We are going in circles, and just heating up ourselves for another flaming session