SC cloning Elite..

X2Eliah

X2Eliah
Well, either that, or ED might be stuck in an unknown, unrecognized niche while SC is on every website and forum touted as *the* one and only space ship game. Word of mouth... you think SC's rabid legion doesn't do a ton of that, too?
 

deusx_ophc

deusx_ophc
X2Eliah said:
Well, either that, or ED might be stuck in an unknown, unrecognized niche while SC is on every website and forum touted as *the* one and only space ship game. Word of mouth... you think SC's rabid legion doesn't do a ton of that, too?
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the question is what type of words does the mouth carry ;)

i would guess that the content (pro/con) will depend on the quality of the game and its community :D
 

NeilF

NeilF
MxM said:
I just fear Elite inventing all the cool ideas and not profiting from them. SC just takes everything including credit and gains the majority of the userbase. It has happened to many other services and companies.
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Procedural landscape generation is quite common place, and the approach/technology has been around for a long time. Do a google and/or look at other software already doing it on YouTube.
 

Beachlight7

Beachlight7
SAB380 said:
My comment was in response to someone asking which one of these two space games being discussed had the idea to use crowd funding first.

Unless Tim Schafer and Double Fine Games are responsible for Star Citizen then the answer is Chris Roberts.
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How do you know Roberts had the idea first?
Braben may have had the idea of crowd funding in the 80's.

Tinman said:
$400 Million!! :eek:

That means they are going to sell 6.5 million copies for $60 each in a couple of days. Yeah...that's not going to happen. ;)

To put this in perspective:

Bioshock Infinite = 2.89 million units sold
Tomb Raider = 3.18 million units sold
Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag = 4.11 million units sold

Now, I love ED, but thinking that they will outsell these heavily promoted crossplatform games (in the short term) is quite a bit of wishful thinking. Especially since they are self publishing the game.
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GTA5 made a $billion in the first couple of days. And that didn't even release on the PC at all. I'm expecting Elite to be full multi-platform on all devices, not just PC/Mac/consoles. Tablets already have the power of the PC minimum specs.
 
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Viking

Viking
Dejay said:
[...] I think FD should clone some of the marketing ideas from SC.

[...] and those depend on people knowing about the game. And that depends on spreading the word, in other words marketing.
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I have invested much in both ED and SC and so I hope both will succeed and be great! You are right that Frontier could adopt some marketing tricks from CIG.

One thing they did with SC was a recruitment competition, with prizes. They sent us out there to talk about SC on social media, blogs, and forums. It was a huge success with thousands of new pledgers recruited. I'm not connected to either Facebook or Twitter, and so others were more successful than me, but I managed to get some recruits anyway:

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This kind of marketing is the most valuable a company can get. When users go out and tell others what a great game ED is, people will listen more than if they hear the company say the same thing.

So go out there on Facebook, Twitter, Google+ and write about ED! Those of you who have their own blogs, write articles about ED! Help Frontier speading the word!

BTW, I bought both DR-DOS 5.0 and 6.0 instead of MS-DOS. I also bought IBM DOS 7.0. :)
 

Tinman

Tinman
Beachlight7 said:
GTA5 made a $billion in the first couple of days. And that didn't even release on the PC at all. I'm expecting Elite to be full multi-platform on all devices.
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GTAV broke all kinds of sales records, but if you think ED will come even close to those numbers I think you are going to be a bit disappointed. ;)

First release of ED will be PC only. Then Mac and later probably other platforms, but that hasn't been confirmed yet.
 

Beachlight7

Beachlight7
ED strength is it's openness to platforms. SC weakness is it's murderous 400,000 mob that bring the company down if it does something they don't like.
 

Cmdr Eagleboy

Cmdr Eagleboy
Offtopic, but DOS wars ended with Microsoft victory due of exclusive deals, not market decision which one is better.

Also GTAV broke all records due of being very popular franchise for years, it is just their culmination, brand recognition and stuff. And yeah, people fantasizing a lot about shooting other people in face.
 
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Dejay

Dejay
You managed to get 59 recruits??? That is pretty awesome. Not call all of those 59 people back and tell them that ED is way better :p
Where there any kind of rewards for recruiting?
 

Viking

Viking
Yes, there were prizes, both for the recruits and the recruiters. The prizes were ships, gamepads, graphic cards, and even whole PC's. But, as I said, other people got many more recruits than me. The guy who won the grand prize (a mega gaming PC) had several hundred recruits, if I remember correctly.
 

Gibbonici

Gibbonici
Viking said:
So go out there on Facebook, Twitter, Google+ and write about ED! Those of you who have their own blogs, write articles about ED! Help Frontier speading the word!
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I would do that only my gaming activities are almost a dark secret to most of my FB friends. Not as dark a secret as the horribly disfigured and quite mad by-blow I keep in the north wing, but still.
 

Cmdr Eagleboy

Cmdr Eagleboy
Viking said:
Yes, there were prizes, both for the recruits and the recruiters. The prizes were ships, gamepads, graphic cards, and even whole PC's. But, as I said, other people got many more recruits than me. The guy who won the grand prize (a mega gaming PC) had several hundred recruits, if I remember correctly.
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It is old tactic of chain sales/direct marketing and well, it is deplored widely in Europe (strong cultural differences I guess), but very popular in US.

That explains A LOT. Didn't know this.
 

noodle

noodle
Viking said:
So go out there on Facebook, Twitter, Google+ and write about ED! Those of you who have their own blogs, write articles about ED! Help Frontier speading the word!
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Much as I wish them every success, they're not a charity. So unless they start paying me to do their marketing, I'm afraid I'll stick to spending my time on doing the testing that I've paid for the privilege of doing for them. :p
 

Viking

Viking
noodle said:
Viking said:
So go out there on Facebook, Twitter, Google+ and write about ED! Those of you who have their own blogs, write articles about ED! Help Frontier speading the word!
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Much as I wish them every success, they're not a charity. So unless they start paying me to do their marketing, I'm afraid I'll stick to spending my time on doing the testing that I've paid for the privilege of doing for them. :p
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So competition prizes aren't enough?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI
 

noodle

noodle
Viking said:
You know what I meant: CIG offered competition prizes. Why isn't that enough for you, if FD did the same?
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Absolutely. If FD did the same, that would be reasonable recompense. And no, it wasn't clear to me that's what you meant. You seemed to be suggesting that people get out there and do the promotion anyway. Which is fine if that's what people want to do, but I'm not really on board with doing free marketing for commercial companies. :)
 
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