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The Star Citizen Thread v 3.0
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I have 2 accounts, I created one and then I couldn't get into it, so created a second for similar reasons, neither have a purchased game against it.
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I just hope Elite: Dangerous doesn't develop an enemy similar to DS. I'd hate for Kate to go tilting at them in a similar fashion.
I just hope Elite: Dangerous doesn't develop an enemy similar to DS. I'd hate for Kate to go tilting at them in a similar fashion.
You are not.
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I just overheard my boss talking to an agency discussing potential contractors to come to our team. He's just said "As for the last candidate... Chris Roberts, that's it - he's not got the required skills and the rate he's asking for is much higher than what I'm prepared to spend for his salary" 
True story!
True story!
cheers for the heads up! Where can I get instructions/info on the d/l cap and custom cfg?
sussed the d/l cap (damn obvious really)
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Aye that video is pretty distasteful, I would have expected better. Do you have a link to where she says she's never heard of DS?
That because it is no pre- order. It doesn't become that even if you just pledge the amount of a preorder game price.
It funding. More a donation then a investment.
I watched the video, well I turned if off after 40 seconds or so.
Its the sort of thing I would of found funny when I was 16 or so, really immature toilet humour.
On the episodic, SQ42 and the making a big deal of the 1,000,000 "customers" thing (that probably aren't actual customers).
The cynic in me can't help wondering how much of that is about trying to create an image of huge potential for an ongoing revenue stream in order to attract investors.
Almost a counter to the argument that perhaps everyone who's going to pay money already has.
I don't know why she did that, like that!?!
I will have to read Allen Stroud's blog post again and try to get that youtube out of my head.
http://www.allenstroud.co.uk/2015/10/star-citizen-condition-red.html
I will have to read Allen Stroud's blog post again and try to get that youtube out of my head.
http://www.allenstroud.co.uk/2015/10/star-citizen-condition-red.html
I'm really trying hard to understand the hate this game generates, I was a backer of Project CARS and that also generated a load of hate from the Sim racing community (some of it really nasty and legal threats ensued, further fragmenting the community). I see a similar thing, pCARS was hyped and because it had an open community focused development the hype was immense. The game was a massive task, trying to be the best racing sim...it was hyped as such. But reality kicks in and event hough many aspects of the game are indeed awesome many are not. PCARS gets the same "they lied" accusations and has a hard core group slagging it off at every opportunity too. And the reason for that is for the haters the game didn't go in the direction they wanted. This is critical because it seems to me those complaining here the most are those not liking the ships flight model (I believe I am correct in that and hopefully it's not too much of a massive generalisation), coupled with the continuing hype and claims to be the "best ever" further cement the hatred.
I can understand the anger for those who contributed early, the game (from what I've read) has changed focus and left many early backers disenchanted. But it seems logical to me that as the funds grew the scope of the game grew and (again) logically that has created delays. Some of those delays are expected ones (design shifts) and others are unexpected (problems).
I dunno of it's me as I am not one to listen to hype (in fact hype makes my sceptical mode kick in BIG time!), so once we know the basis of the game then why continue to complain? I would say that surely people who backed early and are seeing something evolve that is NOT what they backed, can get a full refund? But if other people are still excited by what the game offers and promises then why rag on them so much?
Ironically if it wasn't for SC I may not have heard about Elite! But I look at what SC offers and it seems to me to be more of a "action" experience. TBH I am often crushingly bored out of my skull in Elite. The 1:1 aspect is awesome but personally I feel the SC and even the combat FM to be sluggish (just my personal opinion). It's still awesome though, but I need to be doing other things like listening to music/weights/TV for large parts of it (I mainly explore which doesn't help LOL). Like I said in an earlier post I feel Elite is Star Trek and SC Star Wars. one is more techy and real and serious, the other is more action and bling. Both have a place in this market and if SC was identical to Elite it too would be boring for a lot of people.
I can understand the anger for those who contributed early, the game (from what I've read) has changed focus and left many early backers disenchanted. But it seems logical to me that as the funds grew the scope of the game grew and (again) logically that has created delays. Some of those delays are expected ones (design shifts) and others are unexpected (problems).
I dunno of it's me as I am not one to listen to hype (in fact hype makes my sceptical mode kick in BIG time!), so once we know the basis of the game then why continue to complain? I would say that surely people who backed early and are seeing something evolve that is NOT what they backed, can get a full refund? But if other people are still excited by what the game offers and promises then why rag on them so much?
Ironically if it wasn't for SC I may not have heard about Elite! But I look at what SC offers and it seems to me to be more of a "action" experience. TBH I am often crushingly bored out of my skull in Elite. The 1:1 aspect is awesome but personally I feel the SC and even the combat FM to be sluggish (just my personal opinion). It's still awesome though, but I need to be doing other things like listening to music/weights/TV for large parts of it (I mainly explore which doesn't help LOL). Like I said in an earlier post I feel Elite is Star Trek and SC Star Wars. one is more techy and real and serious, the other is more action and bling. Both have a place in this market and if SC was identical to Elite it too would be boring for a lot of people.
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I think it's probably aimed to be satirical - she is probably trying to make a point about continuing taking things out of context to get attention and make things sound like something they are not, and continually threatening to sue anybody who disagrees or criticizes.
No it's not bandwagoning, a few weeks ago she was interviewed on INN and said she was trying to get a license from RSI to write an SC novel. She's just sucking up to Chris Roberts.
http://imperialnews.network/2015/09/innside-verse-episode-33-kate-russell-edition/
That makes more sense then.
I just assumed it was bloggers feeding off controversy and other bloggers as bloggers do.
Hate is too strong of a word. "Disappointment" is perhaps a better term, and I can try to offer an explanation:
I rarely play singleplayer games these days. I'm mostly looking for coop experiences, stuff I can play together with friends. I don't mind the occasional team vs. team fight but the main point is I like to play with my friends.
When the SC Kickstarter was running, and Elite's Kickstarter was starting up, none of my friends had backed either game. But most of those who did back a game chose Star Citizen. Most people I know didn't back both games because they figured, hey I'm gonna play one game, not two. Star Citizen looks to be the be-all end-all of space games, so I might as well focus on that.
I have one friend who "backed" 4000 Euros, another spent about 400 Euros. I have several others who generally spent above 200 Euros on various packages for Star Citizen. Very few of those got Elite, for one reason, which I heard over and over this past 2 years:
"Nah I'm not gonna play Elite, I know it looks cool but I'm gonna wait for Star Citizen... I mean I already paid for it, so why should I buy Elite."
The good thing of this whole debacle is that of those people, half a dozen have decided to either cut their losses and sell their ship packages, get Elite, or do both. Another 5 are thinking about selling their SC stuff and/or getting a refund, but are still on the fence for some reason. I should add that all of these people were absolutely positive that they would be playing Star Citizen, all of it, long before Elite even got planetary landings done - which is why they didn't want to even consider giving it a go.
So these people, thanks to the flowery marketing messages and optimistic release date promises of CIG, have held out on other games (not just Elite, but it's the closest example at this point) because Star Citizen is gonna come out soon.
And then things got postponed, and the fans were blamed because we were so impatient as to expect a release at the date specified by CIG.
Then AC was released, and it was frankly awful. Then it emerged that the game is basically a joke to play with the mouse, and impossible using Joysticks. Then the whole ESP issue, and the terrible flight feeling justified by CIG by pulling a Steve Jobs ("It feels bad because it's so hyperrealistic"). Then a long period of time with insignificant updates (a racing mode, more ships, then the "social module").
Now finally, people are starting to wake up. As I said I've had several people sell of their assets and/or get refunds. Some of them have gotten Elite now, others are now scared that Elite (even though already released) might be another Star Citizen waiting to happen after all.
My problem with Star Citizen is that even though they are currently not in a position where bold announcement are going to cut it, they are still doing it: They post bold claims on their website, it's gonna revolutionize PC gaming, it "reinvented" PC gaming, it's so scientifically accurate. They show demos at Citizencon, but no release date. And why do we not get a release date? "Because people gave us crap for mentioning dates".
As I wrote earlier, that's one of the most breathtaking victim cards I've ever seen played. "I'm not going to tell you when I'll fulfil my part of the deal because I've missed prior dates, and that's on you because you shouldn't expect me to keep the dates I set myself"
For the past 2 years public pressure on anyone criticizing Star Citizen was extremely high. If you doubted their grand vision, you were basically an idiot. Smart people and even friends didn't heed my warnings. Wait a little. Don't back more than the base package until you've been given something that is "good".
I know several folks who played Elite but stopped because they got bored. Most of them after having played more than 100 hours, some over 400-500 hours. They're waiting for Horizons now. Most still play the game once or twice a week, just not all the time anymore. But you know what? I don't know a single one who plays Arena Commander anymore. And most of them stopped playing after just a few hours. Do you see the problem? People who paid 60 bucks played more than a hundred hours, people who paid more than 200 got bored of the demo after a few hours and are still waiting for the product.
I don't hate Star Citizen. But I cannot hear the same old rhetoric anymore that great things are going to come "soon". AC will be fixed "soon". Flight will be awesome "soon". Buy our concept ship now for nine hundred real Dollars. It's like in that episode of Futurama: "We take lungs now, gills come next week. NURSE!"
Frankly I find the frothing fanboys shrieking exclamations that CIG doesn't owe backers anything to be mind-boggingly silly. And the reaction for any question about the sanity or logic are met with blind hate. These people don't even read the counterarguments, they just ignore them. One guy commented on a critical youtube video by Corpsealot: "Damnit, now you made me watch a few more minutes of it".
That's right, he posted a defense for CIGs past track record without having heard the arguments. And further discussions had him have to watch the video he was commenting on. God forbid! But hey, 50% downvotes.
And that is a big problem. We can't have a debate when one side won't even listen, and just blindly regurgitates statements, like "what has been shown at Citizencon". They showed a satellite? Really? Wow that's amazing, this changes everything.
I'm happy and relieved when actual arguments come up, such as this from Helfix:
Excellent point good Sir. I tip my hat, even though I disagree. We know that the Cobra engine required extensive modifications to make it work for ED. Plus it's a proprietary engine, unlike CE which you can basically jobhunt for. Effectively that should make getting effective developers for CE quicker, because you can hire people who already know the engine. Frontier couldn't do that, they had to hire people and get them up to speed. Also, Chris had several people working on the prototype for quite some time before they started their KS campaign. So I don't think the whole "ED just had a huge head start" argument really holds. But you see, I appreciate your differentiated argument. On the other hand, other people are still claiming that ED has been in full development since 2008, then 2007, and recently someone even claimed 2006. So the fans change their own tune over time too. And it's been proven wrong already, but they just repeat and repeat.
Why?
Because Star Citizen breaks the boundaries of the Genre? Please.
Did you notice something?
My post didn't mention CIG working conditions, The Escapist, or Derek Smart, at all.
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