Been a Naughty boy!

[Wasp0]

Yep got caught smuggling Imp Slaves to a Black Market, Naughty me, but i must feed the children



So my question is, I have a 1.7 Million pound fine, not Bounty, so will it show up on a KWS scan? If i buy a sidy and bounce it around the starport and get killed, will this fine go? or is it just bounties that disappear?

I would be spanked, but then again i would enjoy that so hardly a punishment

Thanks for the info

 

[Caramel Clown]

This whole 'crash in a sidey and remove all bounties' is just such an immersion breaking thing. It just takes away any thrill from illegal activities.
You can't do that with fine I believe. It will become a bounty in said period, if not paid.

 

[Certacito]

Once it becomes a bounty, just get in the sidey and get one of you mates to blow you away, then they will get the bounty (well 1Mcr of it) and you will get an enormous sense of wellbeing For interest, just how many debtors were you carrying?

 

[racer1]

In 7 days it turns into a bounty (shows on KWS), 7 days after that it becomes a legacy fine. If you die it becomes a legacy fine.

Legacy fines can be reactivated if scanned by a station while doing something new illegal - I think.

Legacy fines never go away unless you pay them off.

They can be added to your rebuy if killed and respawn in that station.

That's how it works AFAIK.

I have legacy fines approaching 7 million in one station, I don't worry about it and still smuggle there regularly. But I do have enough to cover it in the rebuy.

 

[stripealipe]

It will become a legcacy fine regardless. Get killed again in that system and you *will* automatically end up paying the full amount...

edit: soz, Racer got there before me.. just beware of possible consequences, especially if you rack up a huge a amount, as one of our members did........

 

[Wasp0]

Once it becomes a bounty, just get in the sidey and get one of you mates to blow you away, then they will get the bounty (well 1Mcr of it) and you will get an enormous sense of wellbeing For interest, just how many debtors were you carrying?

Do you mean how many slaves i was carrying? 432

 

[mugendo]

If you use the Sidney suicide mechanic to remove the bounty.......then it's pointless to consider the cargo as anything other than a variable being calculated for the game.

 

[Wasp0]

If you use the Sidney suicide mechanic to remove the bounty.......then it's pointless to consider the cargo as anything other than a variable being calculated for the game.

If i knew what you meant i could agree or dis-agree with you

 

[Pile_O_Gunz]

Yea don't get killed in that system or they will stick it on your rebuy cost and you could potentially loose your ship if you can't afford it.

 

[Brujah]

If i knew what you meant i could agree or dis-agree with you

I think he means if you're already going to break the immersion by effectively cheating the system, then the slaves you were carrying cease to be thought of as people and start being statistics of value. Though it might well be that your CMDR already didn't think of them as people but merely commodities to be bought and sold for the highest profit.

That's your right, though just be aware that it makes you a bad person.

 

[Wasp0]

I think he means if you're already going to break the immersion by effectively cheating the system, then the slaves you were carrying cease to be thought of as people and start being statistics of value. Though it might well be that your CMDR already didn't think of them as people but merely commodities to be bought and sold for the highest profit.

That's your right, though just be aware that it makes you a bad person.

I am a Trader through and through. I deliver a cargo from A to B, i maximize my profit. As long as i deliver my Cargo i care not one bit if it is Bio waste or Imp Slaves? If i was a caring person do you think i would be transporting Imp Slaves to a Federation Black Market.

If that makes me a bad person or nice person i care not, but i know it makes me a rich person!

BTW Guys, this is my Alta ego Game mode speaking, real life i jump at spiders

 

[Garbarrage]

Cool story OP. But the rest of the thread makes me wonder why FD bothered with fines etc. Seems that a lot of the "consequences" of the game can be worked around, and those that can't can be "fixed" with a friendly email to FDev.

I have no issues with how easy it is to make credits in this game. I hate too much grind in a game. But without the consequences of failing a mission (which is actually really hard to do in this game) it just turns it into a game of collecting numbers and stats.

 

[Wasp0]

Cool story OP. But the rest of the thread makes me wonder why FD bothered with fines etc. Seems that a lot of the "consequences" of the game can be worked around, and those that can't can be "fixed" with a friendly email to FDev.

I have no issues with how easy it is to make credits in this game. I hate too much grind in a game. But without the consequences of failing a mission (which is actually really hard to do in this game) it just turns it into a game of collecting numbers and stats.

Kinda agree with you, but the developers can't make it too hard otherwise people would just not play or buy it. I love the way anyone can play the way they want from a cutthroat ghastly Pirate (Spits to the floor) to an No Friends Explorer (Sorry exploresrs, but it is a solo exsistance ) and everything in-between.

I have NEVER played a game so much, i actually rush home to get online, my wife has dis-owned me, my children say what Dad (Which is actually mildly pleasant with 2 oldish teenagers), i love it. As mentioned my Alta-Ego is a ruff tuff Trader who cares not one bit as long as he makes a profit, bit like the Ice Truckers.

I got nabbed last night fair play copper you got me bang to rights, no defense got a load of illicit Cargo, but if there is a way to avoid paying the HUGE fine (1.7 Million), then the profit making Ice Trucker guy steps in and says "How can i get away with this"

Bit like real life if i goy pulled over at an Airport with a load of booze, you think what can i say/do to get away with this.

Great Game!!

 

[Garbarrage]

/snip/

If I didn't think it was a great game, I wouldn't play it. I personally just take my hits... never combat log... never email FD to cover a rebuy.... but....

...never fly without insurance.... never sacrifice shields for cargo space... have learned to escape interdictions, or submit and high wake where I can't... chaffe to avoid scans and boost through the letter box...

But I wish the same Feds who respond with lethal force for loitering, would do the same for human trafficking, drug smuggling, or Illegal arms dealing..

Personally, I think any of the "dangers" of the game are easily overcome/avoided using in game mechanics. I think that half the reason that people are so averse to taking their losses, is because the precedent has been set with easy workarounds and a soft touch by FD...

I think if they simply stopped spoon-feeding players, the entitlement would end and players would just deal with it. I have also heard of players anecdotally put off by the lack of consequences.

I'm aware of the stock answer of "you don't have to use the workarounds", but knowing that I CAN just get scanned and pay an itty bitty fine (for example), kills a lot of the thrill for me... I love games that make me go "Oh sh... sh.. sh.. sh..." every once in a while.

Don't get me wrong though... love the game... pre-ordered Horizons for a steal (imo), and am coming around to the "kumbaya, let's all sing and hold hands" community.. even starting to appreciate it... but if the "danger" from players is going to be non-existent, let's please give the environment some teeth...

 

[Noctover]

Basically your playing a game called Elite DANGEROUS however if your only goal is to play the game when its going your way and exploit mechanics when it isn't then you should question why your playing. Risk vs Reward, not riskless reward.

 

[Wasp0]

Basically your playing a game called Elite DANGEROUS however if your only goal is to play the game when its going your way and exploit mechanics when it isn't then you should question why your playing. Risk vs Reward, not riskless reward.

Ease up cowboy, i COMPLETELY get the game, and long may the game live, i love it, you have missed the point completely or jumped in feet first with out reading the whole thread! Like any good trader, i merely asked about the Fine and what happens if i get scanned and asked if i killed myself in a sidy would it disappear, and suddenly i get people jumping down my throat cause they don't like the way i am playing...Get real man, i play the game Elite Dangerous fully understanding the word 'Dangerous', i live by the sword and die by the sword, if it means i have a Flashing sign around my neck saying 'Interdict me as you will get a 1.7 Million payout', i'll pay the damn fine. Not as if i can't afford it as i did another 5 runs after getting caught, so what a measly 1.7 Mill.

I was asking advice on an aspect of the game, not the meaning of life (42 BTW).

I certainly don't require a lecture on game ethics from you thanks!

 

[racer1]

If I didn't think it was a great game, I wouldn't play it. I personally just take my hits... never combat log... never email FD to cover a rebuy.... but....

...never fly without insurance.... never sacrifice shields for cargo space... have learned to escape interdictions, or submit and high wake where I can't... chaffe to avoid scans and boost through the letter box...

But I wish the same Feds who respond with lethal force for loitering, would do the same for human trafficking, drug smuggling, or Illegal arms dealing..

Personally, I think any of the "dangers" of the game are easily overcome/avoided using in game mechanics. I think that half the reason that people are so averse to taking their losses, is because the precedent has been set with easy workarounds and a soft touch by FD...

I think if they simply stopped spoon-feeding players, the entitlement would end and players would just deal with it. I have also heard of players anecdotally put off by the lack of consequences.

I'm aware of the stock answer of "you don't have to use the workarounds", but knowing that I CAN just get scanned and pay an itty bitty fine (for example), kills a lot of the thrill for me... I love games that make me go "Oh sh... sh.. sh.. sh..." every once in a while.

Don't get me wrong though... love the game... pre-ordered Horizons for a steal (imo), and am coming around to the "kumbaya, let's all sing and hold hands" community.. even starting to appreciate it... but if the "danger" from players is going to be non-existent, let's please give the environment some teeth...

With bulk smuggling the fine is normally equal to the profit you would have made, certainly was for me.

But certainly the consequences are pretty minimal, unless you get unlucky on the insurance screen.

I'm all for smuggling having more consequences, I hear in 1.5 a scan will get you mission failed. Not sure if there is any change for bulk/non mission smuggling though. Hopefully it's something they'll address in season 2, crime/punishment in general.

 

[Marra Morgan]

But I wish the same Feds who respond with lethal force for loitering, would do the same for human trafficking, drug smuggling, or Illegal arms dealing..

+1 for this, me too!

 

[Noctover]

Ease up cowboy, i COMPLETELY get the game, and long may the game live, i love it, you have missed the point completely or jumped in feet first with out reading the whole thread! Like any good trader, i merely asked about the Fine and what happens if i get scanned and asked if i killed myself in a sidy would it disappear, and suddenly i get people jumping down my throat cause they don't like the way i am playing...Get real man, i play the game Elite Dangerous fully understanding the word 'Dangerous', i live by the sword and die by the sword, if it means i have a Flashing sign around my neck saying 'Interdict me as you will get a 1.7 Million payout', i'll pay the damn fine. Not as if i can't afford it as i did another 5 runs after getting caught, so what a measly 1.7 Mill.

I was asking advice on an aspect of the game, not the meaning of life (42 BTW).

I certainly don't require a lecture on game ethics from you thanks!

I did read it thanks, read all of it, and the responses wouldn't call 2 lines a lecture.

You did however bring up the idea of trashing a SW which unless you were considering it wouldn't have been brought up which means my post stands, play the game or crack the game its your choice really dosent effect me, just my 2 credits.

 

[Kayweg]

If i had a 1.7 million pound fine, i would probably consider leaving the country.