The Star Citizen Thread v 3.0

[MaxLexandre]

If the thing is so unstable that people can't get in then expanding this alpha test to even more backers is ill advised at best and destructive to the games perception.

Yeah because the objective is just break it, they have to stress test it greatly, the more the problems hit now, the smoother the release on the Live Branch can be.
It's pure and simple that.

No you couldn't be further from the truth, they give out refunds when and if you threaten them with a chargeback.

That couldn't be further from the truth as well. By their own TOS, before even the change, this the 12 Months, they are NOT forced to give you a refund really until the 30th of this month, when the 12 months after the 2014 will expire. Or even, the beginning of 2016. So... Hm!

 

[Jezzah]

So any thoughts on when the thing might move to a live version chaps?

 

[Stigbob]

That couldn't be further from the truth as well. By their own TOS, before even the change, this the 12 Months, they are NOT forced to give you a refund really until the 30th of this month, when the 12 months after the 2014 will expire.
So... Hm!

They give out refunds when threatened with a chargeback to preserve their credit rating.

Refusing refunds is not good marketing, it's an effective new backer deterrent though.

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So any thoughts on when the thing might move to a live version chaps?

Microsoft are due to release Freelancer 2 in 2019.

 

[MaxLexandre]

They give out refunds when threatened with a chargeback to preserve their credit rating.

Refusing refunds is not good marketing, it's an effective new backer deterrent though.

They are still giving those refunds even if the TOS would be protective if they would refuse them, last i heard they haven't been claiming the TOS to refuse refunds, and yeah, you implying that everybody who got a refund had to threaten the CIG customer support, bravo!

 

[Stigbob]

Last i heard they haven't been claiming the TOS to refuse refunds, side of you implying that everybody who got a refund had to threaten the CIG customer support, bravo!

Don't knock it, it works.

Get a refund, then if the game gets finished you can buy it later.

 

[MaxLexandre]

Don't knock it, it works.

Get a refund, then if the game gets finished you can buy it later.

Great dodging, 10/10.

 

[Stigbob]

Great dodging, 10/10.

Honestly you should get a refund, remember to mention chargeback.

 

[MaxLexandre]

Honestly you should get a refund, remember to mention chargeback.

No thanks. Chargebacks do work even if the costumer is wrong and doesn't has a right for a refund, becomes easier to give the refund than deal with the chargeback. Reminds me of the Steam Chargeback Horror Stories... ^^

 

[Zyll Goliat]

What's that got to do with people commenting on it ?
Do they need to sink in 50hrs of testing and do a written elaborate on it, to be eligible to write their opinion on the forums ?

No you silly man it means that you don't have the rights to have "negative" opinion because if you do you obviously obstructing the game "progress"(Pre-Alpha curse)...How could possible anyone can think that SC is not going to be the best game ever?¿And In the case that you still dare to think that game "sucks"from some reason(actually many reasons) you will be hunted down by hordes of the "Occult" until you give up posting about it or until you accept CR as your only lord and savior..the choice is yours my brother...I accept CR as my only Lord and Savior and soon as I did it Flight Mechanics start to feel much better...hallelujah brothers&sisters.....it's a miracle!!!

 

[Mr.Nowak]

If you have any friends who want to get in to Star Citizen. Here is a 15 dollars off sale.

1912 packages left.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Star-Citizen-Starter/

 

[swfanatic717]

If you have any friends who want to get in to Star Citizen. Here is a 15 dollars off sale.

1912 packages left.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Packages/Star-Citizen-Starter/

Isn't this basically them trying to mine the casual crowd who won't buy in for the price of an AAA preorder?

Remember when they said $5 module passes were to keep up server costs for non-alpha backers? Have their server costs simply vanished despite them seemingly having more players than ever before?

EDIT: No, wait, after rereading your post and the SC Subreddit I get it now, the discounted packages aren't for the casual crowds, they're just for whales to buy for their completely uninformed friends to force them into SC.

 

[Mr.Nowak]

Isn't this basically them trying to mine the casual crowd who won't buy in for the price of an AAA preorder?

Remember when they said $5 module passes were to keep up server costs for non-alpha backers? Have their server costs simply vanished despite them seemingly having more players than ever before?

EDIT: No, wait, after rereading your post and the SC Subreddit I get it now, the discounted packages aren't for the casual crowds, they're just for whales to buy for their completely uninformed friends to force them into SC.

Again with so much negativity and hostility you can make something negative out of something nice like a cheaper game package that has 2 games in it for 30 dollars. The attitude can spin it around no matter what. Somebody offers you a deal for 15 dollars cheaper and for you it is a way to exploit a crowd or force people in to a game. Well what can I say.

 

[Bruce Warren]

Single player campaign and story free multiplayer mode does not constitute two games. It's two modes of the same game.

Plenty of games on the market offer these two play modes, but only CIG have the brass neck to try to pretend you are getting two games, or to charge people twice as they are rumoured to be planning to do when they split the "games" into two purchases down the line.

 

[swfanatic717]

Again with so much negativity and hostility you can make something negative out of something nice like a cheaper game package that has 2 games in it for 30 dollars. The attitude can spin it around no matter what. Somebody offers you a deal for 15 dollars cheaper and for you it is a way to exploit a crowd or force people in to a game. Well what can I say.

Everyone I know that's interested in Star Citizen already bought in at least a year ago, and having already bought a game package I don't see the need to view it from the consumer's point of view any longer (Spending $30 on a discounted pledge package isn't a win for me, it's me spending yet another 30 dollars on something I already have, or am promised to have, at least). On the other hand, the business side of their operation is still going strong, and unless you're going to tell me CIG isn't trying to make/raise as much money as possible, their goal, like that of any other capitalist business, is still that, to exploit people to extract as much money as possible.

The discounted packages clearly not for newbies hearing about SC for the first time; the Fly Now button on the SC website still links to the full price packages. Only people who were already aware of SC and had prior knowledge these packages even exist would know to buy them. Hence my remark about them targeting more casual gamers.

Traditionally crowdfunding projects offer more rewards the earlier you back, to thank early supporters for taking a chance on them. From what I can tell, it's now at least $20 cheaper to back SC now than it was a year ago, now that they've gotten rid of the module passes and introduced discount packages. As this shows, CIG are now favoring people who support their project later, by offering incentives for new users to sign up.

Dropping their prices makes the game accessible to a different range of spenders, and they know this, i.e. they have broadened their sales targeting to include even more people, this time people even more stingy with their wallet. What happens when they decide they've spent enough as well?

 

[swfanatic717]

Single player campaign and story free multiplayer mode does not constitute two games. It's two modes of the same game.

Plenty of games on the market offer these two play modes, but only CIG have the brass neck to try to pretend you are getting two games, or to charge people twice as they are rumoured to be planning to do when they split the "games" into two purchases down the line.

In all fairness, the only game I can think of that has two such modes with enough breadth and depth to be called two games is GTA 5. Other games barely come close (Mass Effect 3 maybe but I'm heavily biased when it comes to its multiplayer) when it comes to the depth and breadth of the game modes.

 

[Ozram]

In all fairness, the only game I can think of that has two such modes with enough breadth and depth to be called two games is GTA 5. Other games barely come close (Mass Effect 3 maybe but I'm heavily biased when it comes to its multiplayer) when it comes to the depth and breadth of the game modes.

There is also that other SC (StarCraft) which has an epic single player campaign as well as competitive multiplayer, but that's a whole other game style (RTS).

 

[Stigbob]

Again with so much negativity and hostility you can make something negative out of something nice like a cheaper game package that has 2 games in it for 30 dollars. The attitude can spin it around no matter what. Somebody offers you a deal for 15 dollars cheaper and for you it is a way to exploit a crowd or force people in to a game. Well what can I say.

You could explain why a game that was fully funded at the 60 million point has now been subdivided into two separate purchases. RSI said the game (feature complete all stretch goals met) was fully funded, they've now changed that stance to you have to buy it in installments.

It's just a matter of time time before they announce monthly payments for MMO access.

 

[lysan]

Yeah because the objective is just break it, they have to stress test it greatly, the more the problems hit now, the smoother the release on the Live Branch can be.
It's pure and simple that.



That couldn't be further from the truth as well. By their own TOS, before even the change, this the 12 Months, they are NOT forced to give you a refund really until the 30th of this month, when the 12 months after the 2014 will expire. Or even, the beginning of 2016. So... Hm!

LOL, you are both off the chart, for the original backers the breaking point is November 2015, after that its true that CIG can chose to do it out of their great kindness. If they don't make it in 2016.

BTW I was granted a refund, by these above terms. It was kindly and politely requested and granted.

 

[Yaffle]

Time to close, we're at the 10,000 post event horizon. Please go to https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=203785