You beat me to that one. +rep.
Indeed - not once does it say anywhere on that archived page "Elite Dangerous: Horizons", which is a new product.
Why no Standard Beta players allowed to play Horizons Beta?
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You beat me to that one. +rep.
Indeed - not once does it say anywhere on that archived page "Elite Dangerous: Horizons", which is a new product.
So...in your mind, what is the difference between Standard Beta and Premium Beta?
You are saying they are the same beast...but premium just cost more...for the sake of...costing more?
it seems very simple from my point of view...seems you are trying to get a ny steak, when you ordered a top sirloin...just because they both have steak in their names does not mean they are the same product.,..did you expect Standard to be exactly the same as premium beta?
He already explained what the difference was to him.
Standard beta would have the access to all betas but would have to pay for final releases of the future expansions.
Premium beta would have the access to all betas and to the final releases.
It's a pretty clear distinction if you ask me.
A word of caution though about those that miss the Opportunity to Beta-Test :
Although noone puts a gun to your head... well... you're expected to Beta-Test.
That effectively means not only playing with the new toys, but :
- keeping up with the ChangeLogs
- keeping up with known issues
- keeping up with FDev-acknowledged issues & updates
- keeping up with other Tester's Reports, anomalies or shortcomings and Ideas how to improve them
- having an open eye on everything that occurs while you're testing things to the extremes whereever possible
- document even benign errors, bugs or visual anomalies
- creating experience and statistical data where needed to build a big picture (balancing, input vs. output, possible exploits, risk vs. reward etc)
- invest time in playstyles or activities you'd normally not be interested in
- after a long day, filter your gathered data and put it into perspective for drastically different Player types (oldfart Tester, Experienced Player, brand new Retail customer with no tech skills)
- put it all together and file the Bug Reports with all needed Details and observations (keep them Dev-friendly and C3 - Clear, Crisp & Concise), using your existing tech knowledge about the Game and Engine, past Versions & live one
- chime into the Beta SubForum and share your ideas about the biggest observed or anticipated problems you or other Players saw or predict to happen
- keep it cool and stay professional
- expect much of your work or ideas to possibly go entirely unnoticed/unconsidered, you're just one amongst many; Beta-Testers are silent worker bees that work tirelessly for their tireless queen
TL : DR
It isn't all fun & glory playing on the Test servers and perform actual Beta Testing.
I've been playing this game since alpha and I have never beta tested just played it as I want.
I've been thinking about this, and come to an odd conclusion. In the first instance, you could argue that standard beta owners (or players without the Lifetime pass) don't or won't own the new expansions. That alone says you don't get to play test them. Makes sense, you can't test something you don't own.
However, if Standard Beta owners were allowed to participate in future Beta access, then it would potentially increase sales. Advertising and all that, unless FDev feel that previews will push people away.
There was a discussion along time ago, during Alpha I think, where it was asked if the Alpha and Beta testing would continue with the expansions. It was thought at the time that they would. All this was part of the selling point of the Kickstarter Pledges. This was when there was still such an idea of Expansion Packs - we took it to mean that standard definition of them, ie an add on that is usually quite a bit cheaper than the core game. FDev changed the their plan at some point, for it to become Season Passes, so it's a different set up now.
However I can't see any problem with people play testing the beta. Sure maybe they want to see if it's any good before buying it - that makes sense to me. If FDev do a good job, more sales. If tey do a less not so good job, then not as many new sales perhaps?
It doesn't effect me if FD allow standard beta players to help test. In the same way as how they play the core game, doesn't effect me.
However, if Standard Beta owners were allowed to participate in future Beta access, then it would potentially increase sales. Advertising and all that, unless FDev feel that previews will push people away.
There was a discussion along time ago, during Alpha I think, where it was asked if the Alpha and Beta testing would continue with the expansions. It was thought at the time that they would. All this was part of the selling point of the Kickstarter Pledges. This was when there was still such an idea of Expansion Packs - we took it to mean that standard definition of them, ie an add on that is usually quite a bit cheaper than the core game. FDev changed the their plan at some point, for it to become Season Passes, so it's a different set up now.
However I can't see any problem with people play testing the beta. Sure maybe they want to see if it's any good before buying it - that makes sense to me. If FDev do a good job, more sales. If tey do a less not so good job, then not as many new sales perhaps?
It doesn't effect me if FD allow standard beta players to help test. In the same way as how they play the core game, doesn't effect me.
I bought in at Premium Beta and I thought it was pretty clear, when reading through all the E: D product descriptions, that Standard Beta was just the initial release. Big difference in cost too.
Plus the fact that the OP says he doesn't really enjoy the game anyway and will only get a few hours play out of it, so what is the point of this thread?
I think the entitlement comments seem fair in this case.
Plus the fact that the OP says he doesn't really enjoy the game anyway and will only get a few hours play out of it, so what is the point of this thread?
I think the entitlement comments seem fair in this case.
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Um...you pay what you want and you get what you pay for. Frontier are investing a lot of man hours into this game so they can be paid for doing this. Isnt that how our economy works? Free market and all that. You can choose to pay the extra for beta or not and wait a couple of weeks for the full release...not that bad really.
I am a little confused in that do you mean you paid for "Standard beta" at kickstarter? If you did then yeah as stated at that time you only got Beta of the 1.0 release. Only premium beta and alpha backers get beta of everything going after 1.0 which was stated. So 2.0 onwards standard beta doesnt get you beta.
More self-entitlement threads.
I am a little confused in that do you mean you paid for "Standard beta" at kickstarter? If you did then yeah as stated at that time you only got Beta of the 1.0 release. Only premium beta and alpha backers get beta of everything going after 1.0 which was stated. So 2.0 onwards standard beta doesnt get you beta.
More self-entitlement threads.
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Premium BETA backer here. I also only reported bugs occasionaly as I see the money itself spent for the beta as support. Frankly FD isnt expecting us to beta test their products properly. They know we do deal with ED for the free time and they do it for their salaries. There is enough engaged community members out there who send in reports.
Weather or not horizons is a xpac or is a 'new game' is moot really... same to be said for the beta access stuff... we all now know that for season 3 unles you are a PB or have brought the LEP you will have to pay for beta access should you want that...
Personally I do think if us beta backers were to be given access to ALL beta releases as long as we brought the preorder for the season then that is what we should be given though...
As I said before, I brought the LEP back in October or there abouts when horizons preorder was in the store... it was simply maths, 9 more seasons, season costs 40 quid, (for me about 70 bucks) + an extra tenner for beta or I can buy the LEP which for me was 200 bucks... so for about 110 bucks extra I was able to guarantee myself beta access to all future seasons as well as all future seasons...
I have zero doubt that LEP's will be on offer each year when they do the 'preorder' of the next season, possibly at a reducing price over time as well... there are many choices people can make with regards to that... aome brave souls brought in back in alpha, some brought in before then, some brought in at beta with either PB or Beta Preorder, weather or not its viewed as a cash grab is also moot, FDev is a business, it exists to pay its employees and make money for its shareholders... It's how customers / players view the money they spend / invest into the game that affects each and every one of us but it ONLY affects us from our own perspective...
@Space dandy you might see it as a money grabbing, unethical, yada yada yada, blah blah blah, trick or something (based on your posts about it) I see it as a purely buisiness decision by the beancounters to ensure the future development on the game, it does not phase me in the slightest...
Personally I do think if us beta backers were to be given access to ALL beta releases as long as we brought the preorder for the season then that is what we should be given though...
As I said before, I brought the LEP back in October or there abouts when horizons preorder was in the store... it was simply maths, 9 more seasons, season costs 40 quid, (for me about 70 bucks) + an extra tenner for beta or I can buy the LEP which for me was 200 bucks... so for about 110 bucks extra I was able to guarantee myself beta access to all future seasons as well as all future seasons...
I have zero doubt that LEP's will be on offer each year when they do the 'preorder' of the next season, possibly at a reducing price over time as well... there are many choices people can make with regards to that... aome brave souls brought in back in alpha, some brought in before then, some brought in at beta with either PB or Beta Preorder, weather or not its viewed as a cash grab is also moot, FDev is a business, it exists to pay its employees and make money for its shareholders... It's how customers / players view the money they spend / invest into the game that affects each and every one of us but it ONLY affects us from our own perspective...
@Space dandy you might see it as a money grabbing, unethical, yada yada yada, blah blah blah, trick or something (based on your posts about it) I see it as a purely buisiness decision by the beancounters to ensure the future development on the game, it does not phase me in the slightest...
Mount and Blade 2004 Paid early access - not on steam... Valve came to the party rather late in 2013.
Before Valve got involved there were a lot of titles that you gained access to by purchasing another game first - BF3 got you into MOH:WF beta which in turn got you into the BF4 beta. Halo 3 did similar... I could go on all day with this as Valve were even called out by financial analysts for missing the boat on this.
Would you prefer it if there were no early access or paid beta's? Should it go back to just a small group that may not give you the feedback you want or the stress levels you require?
There were a lot of threads on the forum that related to which backer rewards levels were the best value while the Kickstarter was active along with the explanations for what was included in those deals.
I think people make mistakes when they don't research as much as they could or simply misunderstand however that is not the companies fault, take the experience and use it on other Kickstarter projects is all I can suggest.
I think people make mistakes when they don't research as much as they could or simply misunderstand however that is not the companies fault, take the experience and use it on other Kickstarter projects is all I can suggest.
Just in case anyone still has questions on entitlement the current situation is made quite clear here with regards to season 2: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=172800
Caveat Emptor. Know what you are buying before you plonk down the coin.
Fair point, so what facts can you tell me about Horizons 2.1, 2.2, 2.3 etc. ?
It would be a good marketing thing to allow ALL players to try the beta. There are people who haven't committed to Horizons that might be swayed by what they see. But they may have painted themselves in a corner by attaching beta access to the early backers etc. Maybe for Season 3 they can make an announcement about betas becoming open to ALL players, by then enough time may have passed that the backer backlash won't be an issue.
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That if you bought Season 2 you will have all those versions (2.x , where x turns out to be the highest release number of that season), and if you have purchased Beta access to Season 2, you will get to play the Season 2 betas. Same goes if you're an Alpha or Premium Beta backer, or bought the LTEP.
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this and what i said.
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Not really it's subject to misinterpretation. There is no clear indications if they are talking about prior post release content of horizon or if it includes all future beta development stage for the upcoming seasons. You could easily get a refund for false advertisement.
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It happened when the gaming companies realized we were silly enough to throw our money at them for debugging their products.